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Marketing Agency Uses Homeless As Wi-Fi Hotspots

An anonymous reader writes "Marketing agency Bartle Bogle Hegarty (BBH) has launched a controversial charity scheme at this year's South by Southwest festival, in which homeless people are being used to provide Wi-Fi hotspots. The project, Homeless Hotspots, seeks to address people's need for a high-speed data connection at the festival in Austin, Texas, by issuing the homeless with T-shirts that say 'I am a 4G hotspot.' Passers-by may then pay what they wish either in cash or by PayPal to get online 4G networks via the Wi-Fi device that a homeless person is carrying and the proceeds go to the Front Steps Homeless shelter in Austin."

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  1. What!? by tmosley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why don't the proceeds go to the homeless person carrying around the equipment!?

    1. Re:What!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because the do-gooders don't trust the homeless to spend the money the "right" way, most likely.

    2. Re:What!? by stating_the_obvious · · Score: 5, Informative

      The homeless person doesn't keep the money for the same reason that the cashier at McDonald's doesn't get to keep the money... The profits will be donated to a homeless shelter in Austin.

    3. Re:What!? by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most likely, taxation. If you paid the person, it would be a job, meaning taxes.

    4. Re:What!? by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's actually a very complex question with a variety of answers. Some people are homeless because they refuse to work within a system. Some are homeless because they're addicted to drugs and alcohol to such an extent that they have ruined their lives. Some because they have mental illness that prevents them from functioning clearly in the modern world. Some because they fell on hard times and had no safety net. For the last one, yeah, they'll be reasonable and try to work within the structure to maintain a roof over their head. The other three, not so much. And if you treat them like they just need a job and a home and 2.5 kids and a dog then you won't get the results you seek.

    5. Re:What!? by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since when is doing something voluntarily with no coercion or pressure "slavery"?

      I mean, if any of these people find the shirts oppressive and unbearable I imagine they could, you know, refuse to wear them.

    6. Re:What!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ooo "risking capital". Forming a limited liability company is about the least risky venture on the planet. For no other activity can one compartmentalise and get into a spiral of debt or misbehaviour while minimising personal consqeuences for debt or tort. Shareholders are even luckier, "owning" the company and creaming the profit while having no obligation to pay debtors in the company folds.

      I started a business with a few thousand dollars about a decade ago. Went well. Sold it. Least risky thing I've ever done. Even if I'd invested ten times as much and e.g. mortgaged my house as security, I'd still have more protections than the average worker whose *house and everything else* are risk if he can't find a job. Even though I was working up to 18 hour days, the material rewards for succeeding as a business owner... woohoo... incomparable to every other poor sod who has to work two jobs same hours yet will enjoy a fixed pittance.

      Succeeding in business is easy. Building a humane society is hard.

    7. Re:What!? by tmosley · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anonymous Coward thinks it is "easy" to start a business, and that having an LLC somehow shields a company from losses to theft, rather than being a vehicle for minimizing losses to lawsuits.

      Yes, surely he is right. No-one would dare to walk away with the property of an LLC, and even if they did, the LLC fairy would swing on down and make it all better with a wave of it's magic wand.

    8. Re:What!? by canajin56 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The "MiFi Manager" that keeps ALL of the money is the homeless person carrying it, so that's the source of confusion I assume. Either that or Slashdot misrepresented TFA on purpose to get more angry posts in the comment section. The marketing agency does not get a single cent. The charity also doesn't get money unless you ALSO donate to the charity's paypal donations account, which is separate. In no event does the marketing agency get your money.

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    9. Re:What!? by fnj · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Straw man. Anonymous Coward said nothing about shielding from monetary risk. He made it quite clear he was talking about shielding from accountability. Absent gross fraud and the like, the corporation takes the fall and shields the principles. That's what corporations are FOR. A corporation is a legally sponsored mechanism for getting away with things no one could personally get away with.

    10. Re:What!? by tmosley · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, losses to theft are tax deductible. They are for all businesses. But what is the tax rate in your country? Unless you are posting from North Korea, I'm betting it is less than 100%, meaning you lose money in the transaction. Of course, if ALL of your equipment walks away, then you don't have any taxes on gains to offset, so you just plain lose everything.

    11. Re:What!? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A lot of homeless people have mobile phones now. The cheapest pay-as-you-go service and whatever phone they can get second-hand puts it within their price range, and it's really essential for purposes of job-applying.

  2. Not a bad idea by cwgmpls · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's basically an updated version of the street newspapers that homeless people have been selling for decades. Micro-business like this can be the first step and getting out of poverty.

    1. Re:Not a bad idea by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's basically an updated version of the street newspapers that homeless people have been selling for decades. Micro-business like this can be the first step and getting out of poverty.

      This is actually an excellent idea! It could be even better if it were implemented in such a way that the homeless person could eventually become their own independent business owner. It is news like this that we need to hear more often and it is very uplifting to read on a Monday morning. What if the homeless person could eventually raise enough money to buy the device and a kind of franchise right to do business as x? I disagree with using the term charity here. Charity is simply a free gift without any commitment in return. Ideas like these encourage commitment and integrity which the homless person needs to exhibit! The next step is to let them earn the money to purchase the device and become an independent business owner. This can also spur other forms of creativity on the part of the people vending the service like ways to power the devices and maybe design a rolling portable table where people can sit down for a bit. The possibilities are many

  3. Re:trade for a bottle? by stating_the_obvious · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All homeless people are criminals? Part of this program is about raising awareness -- and clearly you could use some awareness raising....

  4. I fail to see why this would be a bad thing by Hentes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Giving jobs to those people in need instead of just some spare change is exactly the thing that can help them.

    1. Re:I fail to see why this would be a bad thing by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Giving change I think is the WRONG sort of help. There are homeless people Im sure who would use the money well, but it seems like a self defeating proposition, not to mention dangerous:

      * the more successful panhandling is, the more dishonest panhandlers there will be
      * it cannot be ignored that there are many homeless people who are homeless because of drugs; in that case you would only be worsening the problem
      * it could well be an attempt to get you to pull out your wallet for a quick mugging (they might not even be homeless)

      If you want to help someone in a real, immediate way, and you are in a city, theres a good chance there is a diner or fast food place nearby. Invite them to lunch, get some coffee, whatever. This will address a real need, and it will be a heck of a lot safer (as youre in a highly visible place). If you have the time, sit and chat with them, as it may have been some time since someone actually talked with them.

      Throwing money at them seems like a lazy, counterproductive way to address the issue.

  5. Re:trade for a bottle? by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    maybe because you're making the unfounded assumption that homeless == dishonest.

  6. More info.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Suggest you guys check out the actual blog post, answers a lot of the questions asked.

    http://bbh-labs.com/homeless-hotspots-a-charitable-experiment-at-sxswi

  7. Exploitation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is the most exploitative, ignorant, inhuman scheme I've ever heard of.

    He is not a wifi hotspot. He is not a thing. He's not something for you to graffiti-tag to market your shitty pay-per-use wifi. He is a human being, and entitled to dignity.

    If you're interested in helping, do so. Don't come up with some bullshit scheme to allow you to profit at the same time as you pretend to be helping.

    Hey I plan too! Let's use battered women as sparring partners! We'll partner with Golds Gym, give them a t-shirt that says "I'm used to it!". We'll make a fortune off of all the misogynist muscleheads who hang out there. Then give the proceeds to, oh I dont know. We'll make up some "dont beat women" charity or something, make ourselves directors.

    1. Re:Exploitation by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is the most exploitative, ignorant, inhuman scheme I've ever heard of.

      Clearly you haven't travelled much or read any history.

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  8. I AM A 4G HOTSPOT by eltonito · · Score: 5, Funny

    For some strange reason, I really want one of those T-shirts.

  9. This will eliminate homelessness. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Once all the homeless people are put in jail for the torrents that were shared on their hotspots, they won't be homeless anymore!

  10. Hidden agenda by dmesg0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The wireless antennas will be placed near the reproductive organs and work at full power on as many channels as possible. All that in order to decrease the future homeless population.

  11. Give a man a a fish by srussia · · Score: 4, Funny

    "So Mr. Smelly homeless person offering 4G, do you take Via, Master Card, or American Express? It's not like I carry cash around you folk."

    As the saying goes:"Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to phish, and he'll clean out your bank account. "

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  12. Oh please by unassimilatible · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Raising awareness? Maybe we should all wear ribbons? Puh-leese. Last time I checked, homeless people are self-evident and don't need their awareness raised. If anything, I'm a little too aware of them when I enter my local grocery store. Yes, people are homeless often because they cannot follow rules, whether criminal or otherwise. A huge number of them are addicts, and most shelters have rules about sobriety. That's a major reason why many still live on the streets - they'd rather imbibe than have a roof over their heads.

    So hell yes it's a legitimate question that they might keep the money or pawn the device. Anything else is political correctness, just as is the term "raising awareness."

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  13. Re:Ah yes, by LordLimecat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You get modded informative for an incorrect, stereotypical, insulting generalization of "right-wingers"?

    I suppose I should be kicked out of the party for actually caring about homeless people. I imagine all those other evangelical charities, missions, etc should as well, since clearly they all view homeless people as rubbish.

  14. Re:It's the insanity of our tax and labor system by Sir_Sri · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure you are arguing that this is minimum wage laws hurting the poor. You're arguing that having to pay people at all is hurting them.

    Minimum wage only means you have to pay the guy 10 bucks an hour, and not 2, for 3 days. (Or whatever the numbers are at this festival, minimum wage here is 10 bucks an hour). But if you could pay 2 bucks an hour they'd still have all of the other employment questions that have to be addressed (declaring it correctly to the revenue service).

    To argue against the minimum wage you'd need to show how this business could run paying their people less than minimum wage, but can't manage at minimum wage, and then how those people would still be able to live at the price they can pay. When you're on a donation system though (even if the preferred price is 2 dollars for 15 minutes) you don't really know what the viable revenue stream is, and, in this case, because it's for a 3 day festival with the 'proceeds to charity' you can charge a ridiculously large amount of money, but you still have no idea how much take you'll have. It sounds like this is being run as a charity thing because well, it is. 3 days of work isn't going to be enough to meaningfully help someone out of a homeless shelter, no matter how much you pay them. But a few hundred or a few thousand bucks to the homeless shelter can help a lot of people for a lot more than 3 days.

  15. Mental Disability Stigma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The assumption that someone who is unable to work due to being mentally ill would be unable to "spend money the right way" is disgusting. Most mentally ill are capable in many aspects of their lives, some just have certain limitations that keep them from working. (eg. PTSD, extreme phobias) Assuming that, just because they are mental ill in some fashion, they will not try and keep food on the table/roof over head is just.. wrong. Would you assume someone who had an arm or leg removed would fall in to the same category? What about a pregnant woman? The stigma associated with mental illness is terrible and, like most, largely inaccurate. Yes, you will have some people that are unable to "work within the structure," but don't assume that unable is the same as unwilling.

    1. Re:Mental Disability Stigma by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why are the infirmed and aged owed anything? If you're going for 'you get what you earn' they should just be left to starve to death or die of exposure. You appear to be allowing *just enough* compassion to appease your conscience.

  16. I don't see a problem with this. by tehlinux · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know when I'm on the lookout for wifi, the first place I want to bring my laptop is in an alley full of homeless people!

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  17. Why the worry? by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FTFA:

    "This is my worry: the homeless turned not just into walking, talking hotspots, but walking, talking billboards for a program that doesn’t care anything at all about them or their future..."

    I don't get why that's a worry. The homeless are providing a service, which makes the productive members of society, and should provide them with a little self-respect. So what if the program doesn't care anything at all about them or their future? How is that different from the situation that almost every wage slave on planet earth - they're all providing a service for a company that pays them for it, and I don't think there are many employees that are under the impression that the company they work for is doing because the "care about them."

    This program just does for the homeless the same thing that almost every company and government employee does to people: turns them into human resources.

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  18. seems legit by WillgasM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it's perfectly reasonable. This could be a great service in larger cities and especially during events like sxsw. Have a place at the homeless shelter that maintains the equipment and keeps it charged. The homeless person just checks out a fanny pack with the equipment and gets paid upon returning it. In the meantime they go about their daily lives, except now they have a t-shirt and a gimmick. I would eliminate the cash donation part in favor of a premium text charge or being redirected to a donation page upon connecting. You could even serve up ads if that model works better for you. Apart from preventing a rash of homeless muggings, taking cash out of the equation helps eliminate any confusion over who you're giving the money to (Am I giving this homeless dude money or paying for WiFi? Feel free to give the dude a dollar if you would normally). However you do it, the donations go back to funding the program (maintaining equipment, paying the homeless), and anything left over goes to the shelter. Odds of this being profitable would be greatly improved with any advances to make the equipment cheaper and more durable. People get Wifi, a homless dude makes a little money to get by, shelters gets donations, advertisers get to slap a label on it. Everybody sounds happy to me.