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US ISPs Become 'Copyright Cops' July 12th

An anonymous reader writes "Comcast, Time Warner and Verizon are among the ISPs preparing to implement a graduated response to piracy by July, says the music industry's chief lobbyist. ISPs, including Comcast, Cablevision, Verizon, and Time Warner Cable, have officially agreed to step up efforts to protect the rights of copyright owners. From the article: 'Supporters say this could become the most effective antipiracy program ever. Since ISPs are the Internet's gatekeepers, the theory is that network providers are in the best position to fight illegal file sharing. CNET broke the news last June that the RIAA and counterparts at the trade group for the big film studios had managed to get the deal through — with the help of the White House.'"

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  1. The excuse I needed... by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To finally drop Comcast and replace them with Sonic.Net DSL! I hope others follow suit and migrate to more ethical ISPs.

    1. Re:The excuse I needed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The excuse I need to drop Verizon and... wait, my only other option is Comcast? Damnit...

    2. Re:The excuse I needed... by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Same here. Verizon DSL has sent me 3 emails (about 2 years ago) where they caught me downloading movies or tv shows. I'm curious what they will do to me next time I'm caught. One thing's for sure:

      I'm not going to go out and buy Hollywood's crap, unless it's something I've already seen and liked -- such as Battlestar Galactica. This past year I downloaded about 200 movies and liked almost none of them. TV shows were a little better percentage but not by much.

      Instead I'll just read science fiction in books and magazines. Or watch free TV (the 45 channels I get over the antenna). Or free hulu. Or cheap games ($20 for 40+ hours is a good bargain). It makes no sense to buy movie/show DVDs when they have no return policy for the crap, and there are so many other options.

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    3. Re:The excuse I needed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Same here. Verizon DSL has sent me 3 emails (about 2 years ago) where they caught me downloading movies or tv shows. I'm curious what they will do to me next time I'm caught.

      How about using a P2P friendly VPN such as BTGuard or Mullvad? (Mullvad accepts payment in Bitcoins, btw)

    4. Re:The excuse I needed... by QuasiSteve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This past year I downloaded about 200 movies and liked almost none of them.

      Wait... somewhere after movie #150 that you didn't like you kept thinking "maybe the next one will be awesome!"?

      I guess at least you watched every single one of them yourself to form your own opinion, but surely it can't hurt to start with some reviews?
      Figure out what reviewers you usually agree with and weigh their reviews more heavily, before you download 200 movies the majority of which you could probably have guessed you wouldn't like.

      It would have saved you from bad entertainment, and freed your time for the books and magazines (presuming you don't just download the ebook versions of those, too, of course).

    5. Re:The excuse I needed... by compro01 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here, I can have my phone with one company, but have DSL on the line with another company - is that not the case in the US?

      Nope. Phone companies are not required to lease lines to other providers.

      They were required to from 1996 til 2006 until the supreme court declares cable providers provided "information services" rather than "telecommunication services" and were exempt from such requirements and the FCC reclassified phone company's DSL services to match in the interest of "fairness"

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    6. Re:The excuse I needed... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Go for foreign films. The MAFIAA doesn't give a damn about piracy of non-MAFIAA products. So get used to reading subtitles and get the added benefit of a brand new perspective on cinema. South Korea, Hong Kong and Japan all have some great filmmakers - and Europe is full of them too. Plus you will get to see the really good stuff years before Hollywood can figure out how to remake it.

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  2. Re:The land of the free... by ka9dgx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Land of the Foreclosed, home of the Banking Gangsters.

  3. The transformation is almost complete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The internet was once thought of as a digital library and commons. Now it is little more than an interactive television.

    1. Re:The transformation is almost complete by SuperTechnoNerd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      When I was a young computer geek - the very first month I used and understood the internet sooo many years ago, I knew this GREAT THING - this great concept - would be a threat to a lot of people and would never survive in it's current form. I'm just surprised it lasted this long.

  4. Don't download this song by mhh91 · · Score: 5, Funny
  5. In case you didn't get it... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... this means they will be MONITORING your traffic. Possibly including deep packet inspection and worse.

    Pardon me, but even if I'm not doing a damned thing wrong, I don't want or need my ISP to be monitoring my activity, any more than I would want a phone company listening to my telephone calls.

    I find the idea ethically and morally repugnant, and, for that matter, on thin ice legally.

    I should also point out that my cable contract contains none of these provisions. Maybe it's fine for new accounts, but I will hold them to my existing contract.

    1. Re:In case you didn't get it... by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nothing in this article indicates any sort of traffic monitoring on the part of the ISPs. It only sounds like a standardized way to keep track of the C&D letters they've been sending out for years.

      Don't get me wrong, this is bad too as there's no accountability for sending faulty C&D letters, and I doubt there's going to be much of an appeals process. But it's bad in a different way than deep packet inspection is.

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  6. Re:SSL? by sconeu · · Score: 5, Informative

    The whole point of an SSL Diffe-Hellman or RSA key exchange is that any eavesdropper (including the ISP) can't figure out the session key, even if they hear the entire negotiation.

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  7. Re:The land of the free... by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Land of the Foreclosed, home of the Banking Gangsters.

    The correct term is 'Banksters'.

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  8. Re:this means nothing by nitzmahone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Except for those that are *part* of the "dying media industry" (think Comcast/NBC Universal and TimeWarner). Same kinds of internal conflict that Sony has for being a provider of devices that can infringe on copyright and a producer of copyrighted content. Guess which side wins (have a look at Sony's crippled devices)?

  9. This will not improve sales. by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The best part about this is, they will not increase the sale of any of these products at all.

    If you cant afford it in the first place, you wont be buying it.

    All this does, is actually hurt our entire civilization, especially those who cant afford these things. Things that are so easily copied and hurt no one by allowing poorer people access to them. There is no loss of sale and it only benefits the poor. Especially those burdened by health issues who pay 15k a year for insurance plans, who barely scrape by in todays world with min wage jobs, people who dont have a say at all in this country... people who try to just better their lives through knowledge using free programs, and perhaps building a future they can one day afford buy these "THINGS".

    The benefits of piracy have outweighed the negative.

    Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, made 2 billion dollars in 2 months. Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 made a billion dollars in 1 week. Avatar made over a billion dollars world wide in ticket sales alone, not to mention blu-ray sales, netflix etc on top of that. These 3 items were ALL readily available through piracy. They were also pirated heavily. Did it actually negatively impact the sales? Perhaps a tiny bit, but c'mon. The amount of money those 3 items generated, prove that no matter how much something is pirated, it makes a FUCKLOAD of cash regardless.

    Without piracy, ITUNES would never have existed. iTunes is a very profitable buisness for music, and apps. ALL of which are still pirated today.

    Trying to end piracy, is basically denying the poor of things they otherwise could never afford. How will that ever benefit humanity?

  10. Re:The land of the free... by Higgins_Boson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Land of the Foreclosed, home of the Banking Gangsters.

    The correct term is 'Banksters'.

    Straight up bankster, yo.

  11. Bound to happen by SuperTechnoNerd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What took them so long? I guess since they could not get laws passed they wanted, they are going to do an end run and get the ISP's to do their dirty work.

    The free, unmonitored, unfiltered, open internet we know today will be unrecognizable ten years from now, mark my words.. Bottom line: the internet as we know it is incompatible with controlling, big money corporations. Period. They fear it like the plague, and will never stop at trying to break it, or control it. And they have the resources to do it.

    In places like china and the middle east your internet access is filtered and monitored due to fear of upsetting the government's rule.
    In this - supposedly free country- your internet access is filtered and monitored due to fear of upsetting corporate profits.
    I just can't see the difference.

  12. Re:The land of the free... by jd2112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Land of the "free with the purchase of any congressman".

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  13. Re:SSL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Magnet links do not protect you at all. Torrents as they currently are, contain all available data to get you in trouble.

    Torrents are not encrypted. You can route torrents through an encrypted VPN service, but many VPNs do not like you doing that, and the speed is never as good.

    The solution to avoiding the ISP and legal troubles will come in the form of encrypted sharing networks, where data is randomized, anonymously, either through small groups of people making friends networks (Retroshare look it up) or larger pools of people. The trick is, when do we start setting these encrypted sharing networks up, and how do we all meet, and how do we keep the cops from joining. And if they do, is it really an issue?

    Retroshare and similar programs will allow you to give the big "fuck you" to the RIAA. The trick is, we have to stop using torrents and start forming encrypted communities.

  14. Re:The land of the free... by jamstar7 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd kill for some mod points right now.

    Hell, I'd buy Disney DVDs for mod points right now...

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  15. Re:this means nothing by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My guess is that they are doing this in exchange for something

    Given the Obama Administration's involvement, I suspect they're doing it under some kind of threat. It's part of a growing trend: regulation without legislation and enforcement completely divorced from the process of law,

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