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US ISPs Become 'Copyright Cops' July 12th
An anonymous reader writes "Comcast, Time Warner and Verizon are among the ISPs preparing to implement a graduated response to piracy by July, says the music industry's chief lobbyist. ISPs, including Comcast, Cablevision, Verizon, and Time Warner Cable, have officially agreed to step up efforts to protect the rights of copyright owners. From the article: 'Supporters say this could become the most effective antipiracy program ever. Since ISPs are the Internet's gatekeepers, the theory is that network providers are in the best position to fight illegal file sharing. CNET broke the news last June that the RIAA and counterparts at the trade group for the big film studios had managed to get the deal through — with the help of the White House.'"
To finally drop Comcast and replace them with Sonic.Net DSL! I hope others follow suit and migrate to more ethical ISPs.
The home of the brave.
Stop buying music and movies. Very simple!
If the ISP can detect that I am accessing stuff I should not they can just slam the door shut so I don't get it.
If the ISP detects I am getting stuff I should not and does not slam the door they are complicit in the action since they are sending it to me knowing that I should not have it.
Anyone fingered by an ISP should sue them entrapment.
The internet was once thought of as a digital library and commons. Now it is little more than an interactive television.
And they will be begging you to come back. Without filtering.
Aren't the ISPs signing themselves up for a great deal of liability here? If they have the equipment and manpower to monitor for someone downloading Metallica songs, that also gives them the capability to scan for a great deal of other legally questionable content. Doesn't this make them responsible when someone, say, transmits illegal imagery over the ISP's service? They could have stopped it, so they should be considered accessories to it. Am I missing some legal loophole here, or is it simply a matter of "wink wink, nod nod, the people in charge only care about MP3s"?
Just don't
... this means they will be MONITORING your traffic. Possibly including deep packet inspection and worse.
Pardon me, but even if I'm not doing a damned thing wrong, I don't want or need my ISP to be monitoring my activity, any more than I would want a phone company listening to my telephone calls.
I find the idea ethically and morally repugnant, and, for that matter, on thin ice legally.
I should also point out that my cable contract contains none of these provisions. Maybe it's fine for new accounts, but I will hold them to my existing contract.
Assuming people use SSL or something similar, how will ISPs know when someone is violating copyrights?
All they need for suspicion of violation is your DNS lookup records, routing table history, and protocol volume history.
There's a LOT of data that gets passed through your ISP that's below/beside the TLS layer.
They'll look for things like: Spewing torrent connections but not connected to an OSS or MMORPG server? You're getting investigated.
The whole point of an SSL Diffe-Hellman or RSA key exchange is that any eavesdropper (including the ISP) can't figure out the session key, even if they hear the entire negotiation.
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Why doesn't someone simply go up to the guys who propose this crap and simply SHOOT THEM IN THE FUCKING HEAD!?
Why is it that most of the people that I encounter seem to have been shat from the Sphincter of Mediocrity?
It's a token effort that only large ISPs are making. My guess is that they are doing this in exchange for something... cheap deals on digital content, or something of the sort. In reality they will do very little to enforce this. The second this starts costing them customers they'll drop it like a hot potato. Remember, they have absolutely no incentive to help the dieing media industry police their content.
All of my content at home is purchased and legal. What kind of suspicious behavior can I do to make Comcast flag me as a pirate (without having to actually download pirated content)?
A third party interfering with a business deal made by two others is tortious interference. You would have to have pretty deep pockets to prove it, and it would have to be a pretty clear-cut case where there was no harm being done, say, a Bittorrent stream of a Linux distribution.
Participating ISPs can choose from a list of penalties, or what the RIAA calls "mitigation measures," which include throttling down the customer's connection speed and suspending Web access until the subscriber agrees to stop pirating.
The only reason why I could see them doing something like that is because they may be held liable. Oh wait, DMCA gives them Safe Harbor. So what exactly gives them the power to stop the service that I pay for because I may be using it for something illegal. It's like my phone getting shut off by T-Mobile because I may have used it to call a dealer to buy some pot. I see class action lawsuits in the future for these companies.
The best part about this is, they will not increase the sale of any of these products at all.
If you cant afford it in the first place, you wont be buying it.
All this does, is actually hurt our entire civilization, especially those who cant afford these things. Things that are so easily copied and hurt no one by allowing poorer people access to them. There is no loss of sale and it only benefits the poor. Especially those burdened by health issues who pay 15k a year for insurance plans, who barely scrape by in todays world with min wage jobs, people who dont have a say at all in this country... people who try to just better their lives through knowledge using free programs, and perhaps building a future they can one day afford buy these "THINGS".
The benefits of piracy have outweighed the negative.
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, made 2 billion dollars in 2 months. Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 made a billion dollars in 1 week. Avatar made over a billion dollars world wide in ticket sales alone, not to mention blu-ray sales, netflix etc on top of that. These 3 items were ALL readily available through piracy. They were also pirated heavily. Did it actually negatively impact the sales? Perhaps a tiny bit, but c'mon. The amount of money those 3 items generated, prove that no matter how much something is pirated, it makes a FUCKLOAD of cash regardless.
Without piracy, ITUNES would never have existed. iTunes is a very profitable buisness for music, and apps. ALL of which are still pirated today.
Trying to end piracy, is basically denying the poor of things they otherwise could never afford. How will that ever benefit humanity?
With US ISPs playing copyright cop, darknets and other anonymizing techniques will be active by default in all P2P clients by the time my country rolls out similar laws.
Being a step behind the US means workarounds will be mature and widespread by the time I have to deal with this...
Sales will start falling off immediately after July 12th but they won't feel the hit until into the fall. I'll take a guess that it will take less than a year for the total collapse of the music industry due to sales falling to near zero. If they choke off file trading, people won't be able to find new music so they will stop buying.
What took them so long? I guess since they could not get laws passed they wanted, they are going to do an end run and get the ISP's to do their dirty work.
The free, unmonitored, unfiltered, open internet we know today will be unrecognizable ten years from now, mark my words.. Bottom line: the internet as we know it is incompatible with controlling, big money corporations. Period. They fear it like the plague, and will never stop at trying to break it, or control it. And they have the resources to do it.
In places like china and the middle east your internet access is filtered and monitored due to fear of upsetting the government's rule.
In this - supposedly free country- your internet access is filtered and monitored due to fear of upsetting corporate profits.
I just can't see the difference.
Would these so-called "magnet links" protect torrent downloaders? Or are they mainly to protect Piratebay and other websites from prosecution?
Does turning-off PeerExchange or DHT: help a downloader stay hidden from Studios?
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my internet provider isn't a big media player.
Fuck them and the lobbiest sluts the senators fucked to get us to this point.
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No slashdot for 2months!? C'mon now!
Why do you think your workplace has an internet connection? For business purposes?
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
Magnet links do not protect you at all. Torrents as they currently are, contain all available data to get you in trouble.
Torrents are not encrypted. You can route torrents through an encrypted VPN service, but many VPNs do not like you doing that, and the speed is never as good.
The solution to avoiding the ISP and legal troubles will come in the form of encrypted sharing networks, where data is randomized, anonymously, either through small groups of people making friends networks (Retroshare look it up) or larger pools of people. The trick is, when do we start setting these encrypted sharing networks up, and how do we all meet, and how do we keep the cops from joining. And if they do, is it really an issue?
Retroshare and similar programs will allow you to give the big "fuck you" to the RIAA. The trick is, we have to stop using torrents and start forming encrypted communities.
You are, in their eyes, The Problem.
"Who said we get to download first and decide at our whim only that we like it?"
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If the ISPs start policing copyright policy, would that not cost them their common carrier status and make them liable for all activity on their networks? Any subject matter experts on common carriers present?
"Even if it doesn't explicitly say they can monitor and take actions to "protect the integrity of their network" like most all do, they left a clause in where they can change the terms at any time."
To the extent that they have such a clause, it's not a contract!
Let me clarify that: generally speaking, especially in my area, where we have one of the major cable companies but no real competition, the contract in the first place is very one-sides, with the big powerful cable company on one side, and the consumer (who has few choices) on the other. Combine that with the fact that it's a "boiler-plate" contract -- that is to say, there is no real opportunity for negotiation -- and what you end up with is what the courts call a "contract of adhesion". Contracts of adhesions are WEAK contracts, and sometimes courts will not honor them at all.
The reason for this is really the whole historic foundation of contract law, which goes back to common law beginning far earlier than this country even existed. Some things about contract law must be kept in mind. First, a contract is a VOLUNTARY agreement between 2 or more parties. Voluntary means without coercion, and it implies that you can negotiate your terms. After all, if the other party is stipulating all of the terms then it's not really very voluntary on your part, is it? It's "take it or leave it". Which is somewhat coercive, especially if you don't have other choices.
The second big issue to keep in mind is that in order to have an agreement at all, you have to know what you are agreeing to IN ADVANCE. Otherwise you can't really be agreeing to it, can you? Informed consent is an essential part of a contract.
So pardon all the theory. We know that in recent years many courts have tended to be corporate ass-kissers. Nevertheless, technically at least, a contract can't really say "we reserve the right to change the terms of this contract". Because then there is no informed consent, and to the extent there is no informed consent, there is no contract.
I am well aware that as a practical matter, some judges might honor such a contract (the assholes!). On the other hand, some would not. But if they tried to do it to me in this case, they'd have a fight on their hands.
The trick is, we have to stop using torrents and start forming encrypted communities
Or, just go borrow the DVD from your buddy and be done with it.
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