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From Anonymous To Shuttered Websites, the Evolution of Online Protest
silentbrad sends this excerpt from the CBC:
"The days of screaming activists marching with signs in hand to voice their displeasure at a particular politician are changing rapidly – just ask Vic Toews. Canada's public safety minister was the latest in a string of public-policy lightning rods to feel the wrath of Anonymous, a loose coalition of web-based activists who went after Toews for his overly vociferous promoting of the government's online surveillance bill. ... Graeme Hirst, a professor of computational linguistics at the University of Toronto, says that while Anonymous does share some properties of older protest movements, sometimes its motives can be called into question. 'It's a kind of civil disobedience, so we can immediately make analogies to the Civil Rights movement of the '60s,' Hirst said in an interview. 'On the other hand, it's not entirely clear that Anonymous is as altruistically motivated as those protests were.' ... Hirst viewed the January showdown as 'the first legitimate online protest' that was really only about the online world and suggested that the key to its success was that it was organized not by individuals but by organizations — and ones with clout. ... Another apparently successful online campaign was the Cost of Knowledge protest started by an international group of researchers in January, following a blog post by Cambridge University math professor Timothy Gowers."
>>Hirst viewed the January showdown as 'the first legitimate online protest' that was really only about the online world and suggested that the key to its success was that it was organized not by individuals but by organizations
So when big entities and businesses want to protest, that's fine.
When the little man wants to protest via non-violent, civil disobedience, that's not only illegal (by design all civil disobedience is illegal), but it's also immoral and evil??
Vic Toews tried to bring in legislation that would allow the police, or any designated authority by the ministry, to spy on any internet communications without a warrant. In an interview, Toews then admitted that he had not actually read the legislation, and tried to lie and say that there were no such provisions in the bill (proposed act of legislation).
Anonymous didn't like this, and decided to spy on Vic Toews, releasing personal information about the Minister of "Public Safety" and his multiple indiscretions, including baby-sitters, mistresses, and judges that he nominated while Minister of Justice.
All the whilst, the Conservative (see "Republican") government is under investigation for election fraud for having identified members of other parties, then sending them robocalls telling them that their polling (voting) location had changed to a ficticious location. This resulted in close ridings (electoral districts) being taken by the Conservatives when elderly voters were unable to find the correct location to vote! (source: CBC News)
The way that a lot of websites blacked out their sites in protest of the SOPA bill was very powerful.
1. They Protested a particular thing.
2. People knew what they are protesting against.
3. The Protest was done at the risk of the protesters. Blacking out your site for a day could loose customers.
Anonymous on the other hand is Stupid protesting.
1. Their protest is sparse and could be about a lot of things possible contradictory.
2. People usually can only guess what they are protesting about.
3. Protesters are hiding under the vale of anonymity so they will not loose their jobs/reputation the next day.
The problem there are just too much stupid protests out there. Not that their goals are not worthy of protesting but they are just stupid in their protest.
When ever an activist group targets to correct too many points they rarely get done.
For example CFC were hurting the Ozone layer. The found a good solution to replace it and they protested to get CFC banned. It was an easy sell.
Carbon is causing global warming... Well we don't have a good way of reducing carbon yet, and protesters are protesting a wide variety of untested methods of reducing carbon, as well they will protest against alternatives such as nuclear.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Never trust anyone to tell you anything about online protests if they think online protests started in the last decade. If they can't be bothered to research things that happened before then, they aren't very knowledgeable.
Before, the easiest way to be heard was to walk outside and start screaming with signs.
With the arrival of the internet, it's much easier to have your voice heard, so many of the screams and signs have been digitized.
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
this is a great tactic anonymous has pioneered
but what is good for the goose is good for the gander: you could monetize this sort of activity for all sorts of malicious purposes
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I think I recall Stallman likening DDoS to a picketing. There do seem to be parallels. I wonder what the ethical and practical implications would be if there were a tool that requested a web page over and over again that only worked when it was visible on screen, only ran one instance per computer, and prompted the user every five minutes? As far as I can tell, that would be as close to an equivalent to a picketing as you could manage online, and it would represent the people who are willing to get involved rather than the computer time people are willing to throw at it. It's true that such a tool would be easily hacked to get around its limitations, however it would be easier to use an illegitimate DDoS tool instead if that's what you wanted.
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Does it matter if Anonymous is less altruistic than the Civil Rights Movement? The important thing is that they're more altruisitic than our political, economic, and social leaders.
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Interesting point of view, although I very much feel your suggested form of dirty protest, is somewhat less effective when carried out online. It may well be a form of civil disobedience, but I fear the lack of smellivision capabilities on most computers render it a fairly impotent form of campaigning.....
Whoever said Anonymous was altruistically motivated? The motivation is individual self interest.
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It is the nature of protest. When you fight the system you are fighting what the establishment has established as what is right. Very few evil rules go "Mahahahahahaah", dress in black and have a note in their agenda, be evil. Most evil people thought THEY were the good ones. So, when people fought slavery, they were the terrorists going what was clearly right. Only when they won, did the view change.
History is written by the victors and their is NO definitive version of it, when the victors change, the history will be rewritten again. If you think the persons who you are trying to defeat with your protests are just going to go "oh, we are so wrong, clearly we are evil and all our thoughts and actions are evil so we will stop and do what you want because you are right and good"... well... you might end up disappointed.
And while you are protesting a lot of people standing by the site might get quite upset. Not because they argree with the other side but just because you are causing an inconvenience. Nobody ever mentions the people having to go without their tea in Boston.
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"it was organized not by individuals but by organizations — and ones with clout"
Couldn't be more wrong. Yes, Wikipedia and Google joined in the protest, but it was in no way organized by them. It was organized by individuals on sites like Reddit, and Techdirt and Slashdot, etc
What does Anon have to do with some liberal party staff member?
Casue they had leak in the name? Hur Dur we are all legion.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/27/liberal-staffer-resigns-over-vikileaks-controversy-bob-rae/
The Boston Tea Party was a form of civil disobedience. It helped formed this country.
While I do not partake nor am a member of Anonymous, I do agree with their general premise, as well as the simple fact that quite frankly, nobody else is doing anything that is actually causing a stir and even making the public realize something is wrong.
If the US stays in this general direction for I would say max 50 years, there will be another revolution. All it is going to take is a few sparks, the politicians and corporations have already laid the groundwork.
To me it is almost sad how much this country has squandered away. There was a time when I was really proud to be an American, those times are now few and far between.
-Noc
... quite frankly, nobody else is doing anything that is actually causing a stir and even making the public realize something is wrong.
I'm a little concerned about how many people assume that the public is "uniformed" or "asleep", and they just need to be "woken up". EVERYONE knows that things are wrong, but we've had decades of civil disobediance and the bastards still seem to get back into power. I'm becoming convinced that the lasting solution is to try and do as much as possible around the bastards and make them as irrelevant as possible. "'Tis easier to ask for forgivness than permission."