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Liberating the Laws You Must Pay To Read

Writing for Boing Boing, Carl Malamud describes the campaign he's been waging to let U.S. citizens read the public safety standards that have become part of federal law — without needing to pay for the privilege. "These public safety standards govern and protect a wide range of activity, from how bicycle helmets are constructed to how to test for lead in water to the safety characteristics of hearing aids and protective footwear." Despite a U.S. Appeals Court ruling which said 'the law' should be in the public domain, many safety codes are still privately produced and then distributed for a fee, to recoup development costs. "Public.Resource.Org has a mission of making the law available to all citizens, and these technical standards are a big black hole in the legal universe. We've taken a gamble and spent $7,414.26 to buy 73 of these technical public safety standards that are incorporated into the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations." Malamud and his Public.Resource.Org foundation are trying — very cautiously — to make these laws more broadly available. "...even though we strongly believe that the documents are not entitled to copyright protection, and moreover that our limited print run is in any case definitely fair use, if a judge were to decide that what we did was breaking the law, 25 copies of 73 standards works out to $273,750,000 in potential liability. While whales may make bigger bets, we draw the line at $273 million."

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  1. Ignorance of the Law is supposed to be no excuse. by sehlat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So why doesn't anybody ask about "inability to afford a copy of the law" as an excuse.

  2. Re:Ignorance of the Law is supposed to be no excus by GmExtremacy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ignorance of the law becomes quite common when you have a ridiculous amount of inane laws.

  3. Re:Ignorance of the Law is supposed to be no excus by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering that the federal government willingly admits they have secret, non-publicized interpretations for laws, I would say that ignorance of the law (or rather, how it is being enforced) is now the perfect excuse.

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  4. Incorporation by reference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Incorporation by reference is one of the tools that private corporations use to get their will imposed through government regulation. It is a shady practice at best, and leads to all kinds of problems with unfunded mandates being exercised on the people, among other things.

    Many standards must be licensed, generate quite a bit of revenue for the private companies that develop them.

    It is true that many standards are costly to develop, but therein lies the problem - if we need them, we should be paying for them once and making them available to everyone.

    This practice should be immediately outlawed, and all regulatory standards should be made open and free to citizens at no cost.

    Here is a listing of all the standards incorporated by reference into the Federal Register:
    http://standards.gov/sibr/query/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.main

    See:
    - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_by_reference
    - http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/cfr/ibr-locations.html

  5. Re:New Age Math? by FSWKU · · Score: 4, Interesting

    spent $7,414.26 to buy 73 [...] 25 copies of 73 standards works out to $273,750,000

    Am I the only one who doesn't get the math? Or does the judge exponentially impose penalties under copyright protection?

    That's exactly what the copyright cartels try to do . 73 standards works x 25 copies each = 1,825 instances of infringement, working out to $150,000 per instance. Considering the MAFIAA likes to say they can claim up to $250,000 per infringement, that's (sadly) on the middle range of what they claim they can demand.

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  6. Re:Wikileaks by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Agreed. They should have kept the purchase quiet and leaked it. Worst case scenario, imagine the hilarity of the US government scrambling to keep it's own laws secret.

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  7. Re:New Age Math? by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Funny

    The exact equation for copyright damages is value * num_copies * 3 * ha_ha_ur_a_criminal = more_money_than_you'll_ever_see_in_your_life

    I'd point you to the statute, but you couldn't afford it.

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  8. Re:Ignorance of the Law is supposed to be no excus by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not only that - if the law isn't so fucking convoluted and obtuse and hidden away...

    That's what you get when you allow private industry and corporatist groups like ALEC to write the laws.

    The reason we have laws that are "fucking convoluted and obtuse and hidden away" is because there's somebody who is profiting from those laws being that way. There is no other reason.

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  9. Re:Ignorance of the Law is supposed to be no excus by marcello_dl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And corruption. Let a system grow complex enough, and the little guys won't be able to accomplish anything, because they won't have the money, the cronies, or the will to compromise, to make the rusty wheels of the broken system turn. It happened in IT with the introduction of *silly* patents (I have nothing against patenting things that a couple random programmers can't replicate in a weekend).

    Like, say, the byzantine empire, such systems usually imploded, people stop giving a damn about defending it. But now we have technology and such a broken system can go on for eternity because computers and robots don't get demotivated. We may fear computers that get too intelligent, but the problem is with the not-smart-enough ones.

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  10. Re:Ignorance of the Law is supposed to be no excus by larkost · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I support the congresswoman's response. That question deserved no response for a couple of reasons:

    1) In the very pramble the national government is esablished to "promote the general Welfare". While that particular phase is very open to interpretaion, it is hard to see that a publically avalible hospital is not in the direction of "the general Welfare".

    2) Section 8 of the Constitution once again allows specifically for taxation "to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States". One could agure that this only means the general welfare of the Unites States as a body and not the individual of it. But that seems contrary to the general spirit of the document, and would have to be decided by the US Supreme Court. Since they have specifically not said so, the overwhelming presumption must be that it is in keeping with the law.

    3) Presumably the question was grounded out of something like "why should the government be allowed to complete (unfairly) with private business". But this is a common misconception about corporations and the Constitution. At the founding of the US Constitution corprations were only founded by express will of the goverment, and they were founded to a specific purpose (not profits). The profits were only a sweetener that was allowed to get the job done. Coporartions charters were often specific about the lifetime of the corporation and there were a list of clauses that would end the Coporation if it was found to not be living up to its charter. The modern idea of the corporation as a profit-driven mostly-imortal quasi-person did not start to take hold untill the mid-1800s. For reference I will direct people to the Mercantilism section of the Corporation article in Wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation#Mercantilism

    So if you are a "fundamentalist" about the US Constitution you should expect that the govenement should be the one behind large institutions such as hospitals. It is just that many "Conservatives" have the dream of a golden age in their heads and have proven very willing to not let the truth get in their way.

    I for one would like to see a move more in that direction, at least in the requring of Public Coporations to have a charter (I don't see the need for expiry), and to the practice exercise the death penalty on them when they violate it.

  11. Department of Health by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    can you tell me where in the Constitution it gives Congress power to provide government hospitals?

    Does the "power to lay and collect taxes" and apply them to "provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States" (Article I, section 8) count? Hospitals (are supposed to) defend the public from disease and increase health, which is an aspect of welfare.

  12. Re:Ignorance of the Law is supposed to be no excus by mhajicek · · Score: 4, Funny

    I once heard a tax lawyer admit (in person) that he had lobbied for more complicated tax laws to increase the number of people hiring tax lawyers.

  13. Re:Ignorance of the Law is supposed to be no excus by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think you can pretty much extend that to "a ____ lawyer has lobbied for more complicated ____ laws to increase the number of people hiring ____ lawyers" and still have a factual statement.

  14. Re:Ignorance of the Law is supposed to be no excus by _8553454222834292266 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Welfare_clause. It's not very clear. It looks like "General Welfare", within the 1900s gradually grew to include more and more things. Fits in very nicely with the expansion of federal power in other areas over our history.

    These quotes are also interesting

    The two primary authors of the The Federalist essays set forth two separate, conflicting interpretations:

            James Madison advocated for the ratification of the Constitution in The Federalist and at the Virginia ratifying convention upon a narrow construction of the clause,asserting that spending must be at least tangentially tied to one of the other specifically enumerated powers, such as regulating interstate or foreign commerce, or providing for the military, as the General Welfare Clause is not a specific grant of power, but a statement of purpose qualifying the power to tax.[9][10]
            Alexander Hamilton, only after the Constitution had been ratified,[11] argued for a broad interpretation which viewed spending as an enumerated power Congress could exercise independently to benefit the general welfare, such as to assist national needs in agriculture or education, provided that the spending is general in nature and does not favor any specific section of the country over any other.[12]

    Personally, I think only Madison's interpretation fits in with the rest of the document. Otherwise congress can arbitrarily grant themselves new powers without an amendment. What's the point of the amendment process if you can just say "General Welfare". For example, "for the general welfare we enact an income tax". No, they passed an amendment.

  15. Re:Ignorance of the Law is supposed to be no excus by Moryath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Over 50% of the US House of Representatives are lawyers. Likewise for the Senate.

    You* are full of shit.

    *Your profession and collective members, as such.

  16. Re:Ignorance of the Law is supposed to be no excus by nitehawk214 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think you can pretty much extend that to "a ____ lawyer has lobbied for more complicated ____ laws to increase the number of people hiring ____ lawyers" and still have a factual statement.

    a GODDAMN lawyer has lobbied for more complicated GODDAMN laws to increase the number of people hiring GODDAMN lawyers

    it works

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