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Red Wine and the Secret of Superconductivity

cold fjord writes "Red wine is a popular marinade for meat, but it also may become a popular treatment for creating iron-based superconductors as well (Link to academic paper): 'Last year, a group of Japanese physicists grabbed headlines around the world by announcing that they could induce superconductivity in a sample of iron telluride by soaking it in red wine. They found that other alcoholic drinks also worked — white wine, beer, sake and so on — but red wine was by far the best. The question, of course, is why. What is it about red wine that does the trick? Today, these guys provide an answer — at least in part. Keita Deguchi at the National Institute for Materials Science in Tsukuba, Japan, and a few buddies, say the mystery ingredient is tartaric acid and have the experimental data to show that it plays an important role in the process. ... It turns out the best performer is a wine made from the gamay grape — for the connoisseurs, that's a 2009 Beajoulais from the Paul Beaudet winery in central France.'"

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  1. Well, obviously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Alcohol -> less resistance.

    And we needed scientists to figure this out... why?

    1. Re:Well, obviously by waterbear · · Score: 3, Funny

      But are they sure that it wasn't the observers who were inadvertently soaked in red wine?

    2. Re:Well, obviously by mooingyak · · Score: 5, Funny

      Alcohol -> less resistance.

      And we needed scientists to figure this out... why?

      Well sure, they said any alcohol would do. But why does red wine work best?

      Clearly red wines are superior to white wines. But if we're talking about lowering resistance, you'd expect beer or wine coolers to be far more effective. Or jello shots. Did they even try jello shots?

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  2. Ah-ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's why Bender drinks. To keep the superconductors flowing.
    I thought the alcohol was fuel.

  3. Just an excuse. by billcarson · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is just a cover for their excessive spending of their research grant on booze.

    1. Re:Just an excuse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "No, seriously, that request for a bottle of 1947 Cheval Blanc is absolutely critical to our research!"

  4. some people I know by roman_mir · · Score: 4, Funny

    Some people are just walking talking superconductors then.

    1. Re:some people I know by hamburger+lady · · Score: 4, Funny

      given that jesus's blood was wine, that dude would probably exhibit a hell of a meissner effect. maybe that's how he pulled off the whole 'walk on water' shtick.

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  5. Tartaric Acid? How did we overlook it? by TheCouchPotatoFamine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I mean, does it have chemical properties that have confounded the best minds? Er.. the best minds with a grant to buy wine, that is? No, kidding, but wikipedia says Tartaric acid in grapes,etc also played a role in the discovery of chirality, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartaric_acid). And, in the grocery store the SO, i wondered about what cream of tartar really was... To wit: I know what my next grant proposal should be!

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  6. Prohibition by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In light of this discovery, imagine if the Prohibition had stuck and became global. And imagine what we could accomplish if the researchers were free to soak the wires in LSD and tires in cannabis solutions? We could have free energy and flying cars, because the laws of physics are like, whatever man.

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    1. Re:Prohibition by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dude, you are like...such a drag man. What a downer.

    2. Re:Prohibition by Khyber · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your go.com link is bullshit - "They acknowledged some limitations, including the use of self-reported data, the lack of adjustment for a family history of psychosis, and possible bias from selected recall" - that much doubt means it's not even worth considering. When they eliminate all those doubts and get within 6-sigma I'll consider it.

      Ditto your sciencedaily (which is about as reliable as the Daily Mail) - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1360494/ - in fact there are hundreds more reliable studies than the crap you're posting, which aren't even from reliable sources.

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    3. Re:Prohibition by Khyber · · Score: 3, Informative

      Again, your links suck. Especially with a SELECTED SAMPLE GROUP OF TEN FUCKING PEOPLE.

      Do you know how studies with reputation work? It isn't with a shitty sample that small.

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    4. Re:Prohibition by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not arguing that Prohibition was a good idea. But I think you're glossing over the possible up-sides of an alcohol-free society.

      Never confuse a society where X is outlawed, with an X-free society.

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    5. Re:Prohibition by six025 · · Score: 4, Informative

      He says it would be great to hear a positive drug story, but he doesn't actually tell a real one. I guess it's supposed to be funny as long as you aren't the one on a bad trip, or dying.

      Trends in Unintentional Drug Overdose Deaths

      If you actually read the linked article you will find that these "drug overdose deaths" are not attributed to street drugs (heroin, cocaine, LSD, ecstasy etc) but to prescription drugs or "opioid pain killers" (OxyContin and Vicodin). This is just one of the choice quotes (there are many) from a quick scan of the linked article and summary:

      One might assume that the increase in drug overdose deaths is due to an increased use of street drugs like heroin and cocaine, because we have in the past associated such drugs with overdoses. However, in a paper published in 2006, the CDC drilled down to another level to look at the codes given to the specific drugs recorded on the death certificates through 2004. When these more specific drugs were tabulated, we found that street drugs were not behind the increase. The increase from 1999 to 2004 was driven largely by opioid analgesics, with a smaller contribution from cocaine, and essentially no contribution from heroin. The number of deaths in the narcotics category that involved prescription opioid analgesics increased from 2,900 in 1999 to at least 7,500 in 2004, an increase of 160% in just 5 years.[1] By 2004, opioid painkiller deaths numbered more than the total of deaths involving heroin and cocaine in this category.

      In future, when attacking a subject you know very little about, at least have the decency to provide links and analysis that back up your claims instead of fear driven media bullshit. Thank you.

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      Andy.

  7. That explains it.... by mseeger · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think that explains why my brain seems to go faster after 1-2 bottles.

  8. Simple pleasures by rbmorse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm glad to hear a 2009 Beaujolais is good for something.

  9. Re:No really! by cvtan · · Score: 5, Funny

    The correct line is, "Back off man, I'm a scientist."

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  10. Why did they do this by HuguesT · · Score: 4, Interesting

    By far, the more interesting question about this discovery is what kind of reasoning brought these researchers to dip their samples in wine and test if superconductivity would emerge? Did they try some other random stuff from tap water to fluorhydric acid via a collection of leftover drinks they had in the closet, or does this experiment proceed from some well formed theoretical background ?

    1. Re:Why did they do this by Empiric · · Score: 3, Funny

      Probably had a theist on staff.

      When you mix the most "spiritually transformative" substance described with the most "spiritually inhibitory" substance... something weird's probably going to happen. ;)

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  11. Re:In Deference to an old Shoe Cartoon by garyebickford · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "It's not often you find a wine that goes well with your dinner and you can burn in your furnace."

    Man, I've had that wine. My neighbor many years ago used to make his own. His purpose was not drinkability, it was alcohol content. He was breeding yeasts that would survive in higher levels of alcohol, so he could get 'hardness' without illegally distilling.

    Actually it's a classic how-geeks-do-things story. He was an electrical engineer, who came from a family of botanists. Being of Swedish extraction, his tolerance for alcohol was very high - for 20 years he had an eight ounce glass of vodka for breakfast, and then went off to work designing the first 700 KV DC intertie for Bonneville Power, delivering power over 1000 miles from the Columbia River to Sacramento. He ran through a fifth of vodka every day. This was expensive.

    (Side note - being a geek he figured out that he was getting all the calories he needed from the vodka, but he needed minerals, vitamins, protein, etc. - so he made a special bread that provided all the other needs, and ate a sandwich every day.)

    As it happened, he had an 'in' at the local college that had a small nuclear reactor for medical isotopes. So over several years he regularly irradiated yeast cultures to accelerate mutations, and then subjected them to increasing levels of alcohol, selecting for tolerance.

    After several years, he got to the point of making wine (from blackberries on my family's place) that was 26 % alcohol - 52 proof. It tasted worse than paint thinner and a five ounce glass would put me out for the rest of the evening. But it was a totally legal home-brewed 'wine'.

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  12. Re:So, if we drink red wine... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Funny

    do we get electrocuted easier?

    No, we just get really really good at leading orchestras. At least, we think we do,

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