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Dysfunction In Modern Science?

eldavojohn writes "The editors of Infection and Immunity are sending a warning signal about modern science. Two editorials (1 and 2) published in the journal have given other biomedical researchers pause to ask if modern science is dysfunctional. Readers familiar with the state of academia may not be surprised but the claims have been presented today to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) that level the following allegations: 'Incentives have evolved over the decades to encourage some behaviors that are detrimental to good science' and 'The surest ticket to getting a grant or job is getting published in a high profile journal, this is an unhealthy belief that can lead a scientist to engage in sensationalism and sometimes even dishonest behavior to salvage their career.' The data to back up such slanderous claims? 'In the past decade the number of retraction notices for scientific journals has increased more than 10-fold while the number of journals articles published has only increased by 44%.' At least a few of such retractions have been covered here."

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  1. Grant whores and PR scientists by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I was in grad school there were always grant-whore and PR scientists around. Everyone knew who they were. They were the Chicken Littles who were always proclaiming the end of the world if their pet project wasn't funded. They were always the first to run to the press with GREATLY exaggerated claims and alarmism if it served their purposes (especially when they were looking for political support with funding). Their "science" was far less about scientific method than their own financial self-interests (including getting the precious tenure that they all craved like little lapdogs).

    Of course, I have a friend who still won't accept that this EVER happens. "Science would never allow that," he says. His naivete is so endearing.

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    1. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's because it's not a problem with science, but rather with the funding of science, which is an administrative and political problem, not a scientific one. Strictly speaking, your friend is technically correct - the best kind of correct.

    2. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your fried is right, "science" wont allow that to happen, but people will. And when it happens, its not science.

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    3. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by magsol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While it's disheartening to hear about such abuse of the scientific method, from a purely scientific perspective (meta!) this actually isn't all that surprising. Abuse exists in every system; there's always a distribution around the mean of those who are honest and trying to do the right thing, and the minority who are either malevolently trying to game the system or who are truly just competent enough to not get fired. I'm also a grad student and while I would love to agree with your friend--in theory, science shouldn't allow it, but as we know, theory and practice rarely align in practice--I have to acknowledge that science is just another system run by imperfect human beings and, implicitly, will have some imperfections.

      The problem arises when this distribution of participants skews and the "expected" minority (the quantity of which you still try to minimize!) grows. So the question becomes: is modern science suffering from a growing problem of bad scientists? It's hard to say. While I'm willing to accept the numbers, the title "is modern science dysfunctional" is, itself, a tad bit sensational, making the rest of the article difficult to take seriously.

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    4. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Double edged blade. If you have tenure then you can hold off on publishing to make sure you're really, truly correct. If you don't, then you have no choice.

      To my mind the real issue is that the notion of "debate in the literature" is being rapidly killed by the increase in complexity and cost of some experiments, and to a greater extent the very terse manner in which journals like to have their experimental methods published: I'd much rather read a rambling journal or logbook then someone's - effectively "opinion" - on what they think their important experimental variables are, since accusing someone of publishing false information is ridiculously difficult (and not to be taken lightly) whereas people simply missing things is common and to be expected.

    5. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by Pausanias · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You are either bitter, or were stuck in a bad department. While such sensationalist people certainly exist, few of them actually influence the broader debate. In my community such people are far outnumbered by brilliant and truly insightful researchers who work incredibly hard and whose contributions to our understanding of the universe are vastly undervalued by their pay. To think that some of the most brilliant minds in the world, working at the frontiers of science simply because they love it, are paid no more than a senior code monkeys, is the real travesty.

    6. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by SJester · · Score: 2

      I'm in a similar community but unfortunately people outside of science, even educated and intelligent people, do not distinguish between the two breeds. My university is honoring a well-respected faculty thinker who proffers deep and meaningful opinions with little evidence, while us fact-based scientists slave like Morlocks in the subterranean labs to find evidence for little things. The people who set our salaries enjoy showmanship; they call it "good communication." I'm often asked, in fact, why we don't discover stuff like Scientist X, or when we'll have a cure for Malady Y. I'm a scientist after all, shouldn't I have a silver bullet by now?

    7. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by repapetilto · · Score: 2

      Th outright fraud will be exposed, but the real problem is the huge amount of selection and publication bias that goes on (at least in biomed), as well as misuse of stats. We need to start getting excel spreadsheets in the supplements.

    8. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In other news, HR people find out that when people are judged against a specific metric, those people will work towards that metric and disregard their actual job. HR and management is particularly shocked, and wants to know what metrics they can use to make sure people don't game their system.

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    9. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ah, yeah. The good old poisoning the well argument combined with the Goebbels strategy of argumentation - repeat a lie until it becomes truth. At least you yourself do believe in it by now. Good job, liar.

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    10. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The climate denialists' poisoning of the wells has worked out. Everyone believes by now that "they are only doing it for the grant money".

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    11. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have yet to see evidence that there is any publication bias, at least of the kind that most people talk about. There is an ANALYSIS bias - everybody (thinks) they know how to analyze for positive results, but few few researchers have any clue at all how to actually analyze negative results. When you hear the vast majority of (non-particle physics) researchers talk about "negative results" they're actually talking about inconclusive results - p-values that are not significant, with no discussion of beta, confidence intervals, or minimum significant effects. Inconclusive results shouldn't be published, unless it's to provide required sample size estimates for future studies.

      Most researchers' poor stats skills are indeed a problem, but not a scientific method one. Errors due to poor stats will be discovered, in time, by the scientific method, just like actual fraud.

    12. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by idontgno · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And what is "Science" (must capitalize correctly) without scientists? Including unscrupulous ones?

      Way to posit "no true scientist.".

      Science is a human artifact. Every human artifact is potentially susceptible to fraud, manipulation, trolling, marketing, and every other foible and evil humans are capable of. Almost any human intention and motive can be expressed through the manipulation and corruption of the scientific process. And scientific fraud is no less about science than financial fraud is about finance.

      There is no great, glorious and impersonal "Science". Insisting otherwise is just another form of deism, one that gives rise to the criticism that science is just another religion. And I'm sure no one here wants that.

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    13. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by j-beda · · Score: 4, Informative

      >>> who are either malevolently trying to game the system

      Example: The Penn State guy who produced a temperature that resembles a hockey stick. It was later discovered he had altered his numbers to give the result desired (and thus become famous to the public & funded by the government).

      Or rather it was later *claimed* he had altered his numbers, etc. etc.

      My understanding is that while there have been many criticisms of this work (the 1998 Nature journal Mann, Bradley and Hughes multiproxy study on "Global-scale temperature patterns and climate forcing over the past six centuries"), the vast majority of subsequent work has supported the majority of their conclusions, and all investigated claims of improper conduct have come to naught.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy

    14. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      Example: The Penn State guy who produced a temperature that resembles a hockey stick. It was later discovered he had altered his numbers to give the result desired (and thus become famous to the public & funded by the government).

      I don't suppose it bothers you at all that your description of this incident has nothing to do with reality?

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    15. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are, word for word, using the strategy Goebbels laid out. That is not a fallacy, that is a simple fact. If you do not like that fact, you might want to change your debating strategy and for a change deal in facts, not in lies. Btw. Goebbels was by no means dumb. Probably the most intelligent of that particular crowd of lowlifes. Which, however, does change nothing about the original point, you being a liar, repeating the lies other liars served you.

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    16. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      Debate in the literature is being killed by people (silly reviewers included) who think that everything should be perfect before it's published. Someone in the Slashdot story about cancer cures today posted that scientists shouldn't publish animal research because the results might not translate to humans. I had a reviewer on my last paper actually say "method should be perfect before it is published" because we mentioned some potential improvements we planned to look at as future work.

    17. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by narcc · · Score: 5, Informative

      Science doesn't deal in truth -- and arguably, despite the name, deals only practically in knowledge -- science deals with understanding.

      From science we build models of the natural world that are explanatory, but need not be true in any meaningful sense of the word. To declare something "true" is to make an unscientific statement as such a declaration denies falsifiability.

      Consequently, science does not lead iteratively toward truth -- a popular misunderstanding. Such a goal is decidedly anti-science.

    18. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by repapetilto · · Score: 2

      Almost all data is ugly, capricious and vile.

      Ha, this is what I think is beautiful. I was kind of kidding though. Anyway, journal's have no problem with publishing 5 pages articles with 40-50 page supplements, I don't think space is an issue. For people studying very similar things having access to the (almost) raw data would be very useful. Of course it should be curated and organized somewhat.

      If you're too lazy to calculate confidence intervals on your non-significant result and make an argument about why the maximum likely difference is too small to care about then you're definitely too lazy to properly calculate (and justify) prior probabilities.

      Which is exactly why the data should be published (in supplements), in case someone who is interested can assess that data. Are you really against this idea?

      In light of your post, let me revise the statement of my thesis slightly: "publication bias" as generally described is a bias against publishing papers with inadequate data and/or inadequate statistics.

      Selection bias (e.g. dropping outliers rather than stratifying) and over-reliance on summary statistics (often assuming normal distributions, etc) are the more important problems I believe this would solve.

    19. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by operagost · · Score: 2

      "Science would never allow that?" That's the problem right there: assuming that science is a moral system.

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    20. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 2

      Seriously, learn what "fallacy" means. Pro-tip: it does NOT mean "fact I do not like".

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    21. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by nedlohs · · Score: 2

      he has been caught, multiple times, fudging data or massaging his equations

      No he hasn't. You made that up. Or more likely regurgitated lies because they agree with your world view.

      You of course didn't provide any evidence for your made up claim, but anyway: http://www.nsf.gov/oig/search/A09120086.pdf for what I think is the latest of the never ending inquiries.

    22. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      : I'd much rather read a rambling journal or logbook then someone's - effectively "opinion" - on what they think their important experimental variables are,

      You think you would, but trust me, you wouldn't. This is what you get when you have a bad paper to review. A disorganised rambling mush of random, unconnected results mixed in with a bunch of rather peculiar and rambling experimental conditions where it is amazingly hard to figure out what's going on. It is really, really hard to figure out if the experiments are sane and the results even remotely interesting in a paper like that. Even getting past the first page will bore you to tears.

      While your current opinion reflects an admirable level idealism in the dispassionate search for knowledge, unfortunately the world in all its messy glory has a habit of getting in the way.

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    23. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by sg_oneill · · Score: 2

      Yeah the hockey stick model has not been found to be wrong, and Mann definately was not discovered to have altered his numbers.

      I really wish the denialists would quit with this talking point. The "climategate" thing was largely found to be nonsense, with the only misadventure found being that the CRU where not fully living up to FOI requests from a certain crank blogger. And even this not so much, since most of the data was under a commercial NDA and thus they couldnt release it even if they wanted to.

      I'm sure I'm not the only coder who rolled his eyes when the non technical press started ranting about fudge factors (for non programmers this is just geek slang for a linear calibration) and poor fortran (physicists write bad fortran as a rule rather than exception. The code however checks out to the model). Hell mann even published a frigging paper years before this false scandal on the calibration. There are no secrets in that code.

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    24. Re:Grant whores and PR scientists by ATMAvatar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      More generally speaking, take any positive human endeavor, add money to it, and watch the value to humanity leech away.

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  2. Yet... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For some reason, people defend publish-or-perish and systems that evaluate researchers based on the quantity of work or the names of journals or conferences where they have presented their work.

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    1. Re:Yet... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Publish or perish is good. As a scientist you MUST communicate your ideas or you're a failure. What's wrong is the use of simple metrics like paper count or journal "quality." As usual, if you want to properly evaluate someone's worth you need to use your brain, not your calculator.

    2. Re:Yet... by dkleinsc · · Score: 3

      But really, there's another way to solve this problem, and one that I'm sure at least some people make use of: Plagiarism.

      To quote Tom Lehrer:

      I am never forget the day I am given first original paper to write. It was on analytic and algebraic topology of locally Euclidean metrization of infinitely differentiable Riemannian manifold. Bozhe moi! This I know from nothing. What I'm going to do? But I think of great Lobachevsky and get idea - ahah!

      I have a friend in Minsk, who has a friend in Pinsk
      Whose friend in Omsk has friend in Tomsk
      With friend in Akmolinsk
      His friend in Alexandrovsk has friend in Petropavlovsk
      Whose friend somehow is solving now
      The problem in Dnepropetrovsk

      And when his work is done - ha ha! - begins the fun
      From Dnepropetrovsk to Petropavlovsk
      By way of Iliysk and Novorossiysk
      To Alexandrovsk to Akmolinsk
      To Tomsk to Omsk to Pinsk to Minsk
      To me the news will run
      Yes, to me the news will run

      And then I write, by morning, night
      And afternoon, and pretty soon
      My name in Dnepropetrovsk is cursed
      When he finds out I publish first

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    3. Re:Yet... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      I'm familiar with the situation. Most granting agencies, and most universities, at least the ones I interact with, have reasonable limits for minimum productivity. If you're going multiple years without producing any publications you're not contributing to the scientific community and need to reexamine the way you do science. On the flip side, if you're publishing a hundred papers a year, the university needs to take a look at exactly how you're doing it.

    4. Re:Yet... by LongearedBat · · Score: 2

      But what if your project will perish before it makes sense to publish, because the price and time of the research is too great and the progress too small, even when you're really on to something? It seems a shame to miss out on that.

  3. Naturally by john83 · · Score: 3

    Surely any competitive system to select people for desirable posts is going to encourage dubious behaviour? Those editorials don't seem to offer very significant changes, just new metrics for people to game. It's not just academia either - every career where your value is measured by some proxy metrics is going to see unethical behaviour from people near the cut-off.

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  4. There's nothing wrong with science... by Gavin+Scott · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but people forget that "scientists" are not "science", they are simply people using the tools of science to seek the kind of knowledge that the scientific method and process can produce. As such they are subject to all of the same pressures, hopes, dreams, failures, etc. that the rest of us are.

    But the process of science itself will always move forward, since science is only about reproducible experiments, so no matter how much bad (human) behavior might get involved, eventually the "truth" will win out. But the bad behavior can of course be extremely damaging to the process.

    So there's nothing wrong with "science" or even its application I think. There are probably economic incentives that are promoting behaviors that affect the short-term reliability and the long-term costs of gaining useful scientific knowledge though, and hopefully we can come up with ways of improving the meta-processes.

    G.

  5. Eisenhower's farewell adress by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Read the part after the one everyone always quotes about the 'military-industrial complex'.

    1. Re:Eisenhower's farewell adress by wanzeo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Fascinating. For those who are curious:

      In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

      Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

      The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.

  6. some issues only in life sciences, some insoluble by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A lot of the issues discussed here are only relevant in the life sciences, and especially in medicine. Retractions are not a big phenomenon in the physical sciences. Ditto for publication bias (refusal by journals to publish negative results or failed attempts to replicate published results). This is essentially just because the life sciences are harder than the physical sciences. The life sciences have much more intractable problems with complexity of systems and difficulty in controlling variables.

    Some of the problems they discuss are clearly insoluble. The uncertain career prospects for young scientists are a straightforward matter of supply and demand. There are many, many very talented people who would like to spend their careers doing fundamental scientific research. The number of such people is 1 or 2 orders of magnitude greater than the number of jobs available. This isn't a new phenomenon, although in the past the problem may have been hidden more, because, e.g., up until about 1950, only white, affluent, European and American males were considered prospects for a career in science.

  7. OP is broken by Improv · · Score: 2

    The high profile journals weed out sensationalist claims more often than not (part of being high-profile is having a finely tuned bullshit meter). The number of retractions are also a sign of strength, as the mechanisms forcing people to correct their errors are getting better. This isn't to claim that the process doesn't have room for improvement, but the cited examples are rubbish.

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    1. Re:OP is broken by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      The number of retractions are also a sign of strength, as the mechanisms forcing people to correct their errors are getting better.

      This is what I was thinking. Perhaps along with this, it is simply easier with today's technology to identify faulty or incorrect (whether intentionally or not) research? Communication is easier, so more people can look at your data, your analysis, your conclusions, and with a larger audience, the more likely it is that any incongruity will catch someone's eye. 100 years ago there was a much smaller audience for scientific research, and it could take a long time (months, if not years) for any interested party to get data from a researcher or recreate a research project. Now it can be done in a matter of hours. The larger the audience, the more difficult it is to fool them.

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    2. Re:OP is broken by jeffmeden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The high profile journals weed out sensationalist claims more often than not (part of being high-profile is having a finely tuned bullshit meter). The number of retractions are also a sign of strength, as the mechanisms forcing people to correct their errors are getting better. This isn't to claim that the process doesn't have room for improvement, but the cited examples are rubbish.

      In my head the summary read "Modern science is dysfuctional, claims several modern scientists. See attached scientific statistics for details."

  8. Re:Back to the Garage by Arrepiadd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My view of it is that there aren't that many basic concepts to discover in the back of your garage. Particle accelerators, high-field NMR machines, electron or AFM microscopes, huge ground-based or orbital telescopes are needed to make the next discoveries in their respective fields because the easy stuff, that could be seen with bubble chambers, low-field magnets, optical microscopes and small telescopes was already discovered. It's a matter of diminishing returns.
    Scientists have been doing their jobs for hundreds of years, no one is going to discover an improved version of the laws of gravitation with a 100 dollar telescope. What may come out of observing dark matter was obtained with multi-million dollar equipment, collaborative effort and brilliant minds going over and over the same thing.

    Granted, there may be things to discover that can still be attained in a garage. In hindsight everything is easy, but if no one is looking, there may still be amazing things still to observe in your kitchen lab. But expecting the cure for problems of the world to come out of a bunch of semi-amateur scientists is betting on the wrong horse... it may happen in a field or two, but it won't be the future of science.

  9. Re:Back to the Garage by the+gnat · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your best hope for home science is in bio

    It depends on the sub-field of bio. Genetics of yeast or E. coli: easy and (comparatively). Structures of human neuroreceptors: difficult and expensive (particle accelerator required). Do-it-yourself will only take you so far: you can build your own thermocycler without too much struggle, but what about a system for purifying proteins? It may be tempting to do a half-assed job inexpensively, but the pros use equipment that costs tens of thousands of dollars. (We have to - it would waste too much time otherwise, not just in the time lost by doing manually what a machine can do for us, but later when we discover that our exciting result was actually an artifact caused by a contaminating protein.) You can find some of this equipment used if you know where to look (and know how to detect junk), but it still requires a significant amount of disposable income.

    The one field where amateurs really do have a chance is computational biology/bioinformatics. However, "amateur" in this case means someone with a sophisticated knowledge of math and statistics, which generally implies an advanced degree (and/or extensive professional experience) in a technical field.

    at home, feel free to scoop up some dirt and look at it under a microscope during the day

    I cannot recommend this highly enough to anyone with an interest in the life sciences and a desire for independent learning. This was how I became interested in biology, and after more than a decade of higher education and professional research, I have done very few things that were as fulfilling as watching rotifers and protists feeding, and seeing how many species I could count in a drop of pond water. Even a cheap child's microscope is sufficient to get started, and you can buy higher-quality equipment (the kind that gets used in introductory bio lab in college) used for under $1000.

    The problem, unfortunately, is that it's very difficult to do truly original and significant research like this. For the pure learning experience it can't be beat, and I suspect one could make some truly spectacular YouTube videos, but it's no substitute for doing science the messy way, with a real lab and real funding.

  10. Re:Journals can't verify articles by green1 · · Score: 2

    One of the big problems I've been hearing about recently is that many journals refuse to publish replication papers, which means nobody wants to replicate the results of any paper to see if the original author was correct, because they themselves won't be able to publish it.
    Replication is one of the most important part of the scientific process, it's how you find liars, cheats, and actual errors. If you discourage people from trying to replicate other's experiments you harm the whole scientific process.