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Taking Down DNSChanger: A First Person Account

penciling_in writes "Paul Vixie shares his personal account of the DNSChanger takedown operation, working with the FBI and a worldwide team. He also explains the delay issues in identifying and notifying victims, which resulted in the FBI asking the judge for an extension. They were given four more months. 'On July 9 2012 the replacement DNS servers operated by ISC will be shut down and any victims who still depend on these servers will face new risks,' he warns. A half-dozen national Internet security teams around the world have created special websites that will display a warning message to potential victims of the DNS Changer infection. The full list of these 'DNS Checking' websites is published by the DNS Changer Working Group."

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  1. dcwg.org by vlm · · Score: 2

    Probably the most interesting side of "just another windows virus" story for non-windows users, is that 4-letter-acronym domains are available.
    I heard all the TLAs have been domain squatted since the mid 90s... I was honestly surprised its possible to obtain a FLA domain (four letter acronym), or at least it was possible for these guys for this one domain...

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    1. Re:dcwg.org by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Funny

      It is dot org. Who cares about dot orgs? Squatters are more interested in dot com.

      Damn straight. That's some nice digs Kim has out there in New Zealand... Be a shame if he were sent down for a few years and a bunch of squatters moved in.

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    2. Re:dcwg.org by b0bby · · Score: 3, Informative

      I bought one a year or so ago on ebay; cost me $25. Not really "available" in that the sense that you could register it through any registrar, but available in that I could easily get it. There are lots of them on ebay all the time, they seem to start at $25 for a .com.

    3. Re:dcwg.org by lothos · · Score: 2

      All of the 4 letter .com domains have been registered. They expire and drop sometimes, and people grab them from places like SnapNames and NameJet. There's also an aftermarket where you can find the less desirable combinations for about $25-$100.

      There are plenty of 4 letter .net and .org domains that aren't registered yet, and they can be had for the price of registration at your favorite registrar.

  2. Why doesn't Google check for this? by brunes69 · · Score: 2

    It seems like Google would be in a position to quickly nip problems like this in the bud. If they implemented whatever the checks these systems are doing on their search result page, 99% of those infected would know about it.

    1. Re:Why doesn't Google check for this? by characterZer0 · · Score: 2

      How many of the infected Windows users are using Bing because it is the IE default?

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    2. Re:Why doesn't Google check for this? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2

      It seems like Google would be in a position to quickly nip problems like this in the bud.

      I'm sure they are in a position to perform this type of check, but is it their place to do so?

      If they did it on their own we'd be up in arms about Google inspecting everything too deeply. If they don't do it we want to know why. It's a no win situation, but it's better for them to be persuaded to perform the task rather than jumping in with both feet and enduring the choir of complainants.

  3. Stupid by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They never should have setup replacement DNS servers.

    At most they should have put up a special server that just pointed every A record request to webserver with page explaining that you have or have had some malware on your system and are vulnerable, some instructionss to fix your DNS and patch your box or call your Administrator for help. Simply return NXDOMAIN for everything else.

    All this has accomplished is keeping a bunch of un-patched machines which lets face it most likely have or will have other malware on them as well in use by users making the possible victims of someone else.

    I have not bought into the argument about ISPs or corporate uses being effected severely either. Anyone effected by this thing is not using DNSEC. It would be trivial to NAT tcp53/udp53 requests to the addresses of the malicious DNS servers to safe in house one. ISPs and corporations then could go through those logs with their own resources and contact those users / customers for a fix, instead of being allowed to just shift the cost of their security failure onto the tax payer as they have. Such organizations should be going after the estate of the perps for damages and eating the costs that cannot be recovered or forcing their insurers to do it.

    This was just another abuse of the public.

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    1. Re:Stupid by vlm · · Score: 2

      If you're doing BGP, you already have experience advertising your blocks... so just advertise someone elses blocks remember to forget to permit those blocks thru your border prefix lists... Rather than feeding a whole pop with that block you'll probably be feeding a vlan with one linux box with 256 virtual interfaces or whatever, and lots of logging to report anyone actually trying to use it for DNS. Your own level of BOFH decides if you put bind on it with a normal resolver, or redirect *.com to an internal informational page, or you look up their ip and suspend their kerberos password automatically (which leads to hilarious results during initial testing, and if an old statically configured laser printer is using that for DNS etc).

      One place I'm aware of has a perl script that eats all their RANCID downloaded router configs and then outputs a "mistake file". Since its normally a pretty big mistake to advertise some space internally and forget to unfilter it at the border, this is one area where you have to be careful. Also if you have noobs on staff and they're all like "duh, senior wizard vlm is slippin', he's advertising 216.34.181.0/24 but he's filtered it at all the borders, let me help him out by unfiltering for him" well that's not going to end well...

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  4. I still disagree with the delays by Skapare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There should have been a period of time to do the notifications with the DNS running "normally". At the end of that (no extension), change the DNS servers so they return an IP for ALL domains that directs everything to a single page that tells them that their computers and/or network is infected, and they need to contact a security consultant, their ISP, or a specified contact at the FBI. After that time, the DNS should go dead (route those IPs into a blackhole). That all should have been overwith by now. There's no justification to delay further for stupid people.

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  5. I've said it before by WillgasM · · Score: 2

    and I'll say it again. Why are we going though all this trouble? Just shut down the damn servers, or if you want to be nice redirect to a page explaining that they're infected. It takes me around 15 seconds to change my dns servers, but for some reason we need to drag this shit out til July.