Slashdot Mirror


Judge Allows Bradley Manning Supporter To Sue Government Over Border Search

Fluffeh writes "David Maurice House, an MIT researcher and Bradley Manning supporter, was granted the right to pursue a case against the government on Wednesday after a federal judge denied the government's motion to dismiss. 'This ruling affirms that the Constitution is still alive at the US border,' ACLU Staff Attorney Catherine Crump said in a statement. 'Despite the government's broad assertions that it can take and search any laptop, diary or smartphone without any reasonable suspicion, the court said the government cannot use that power to target political speech.' The agents confiscated a laptop computer, a thumb drive, and a digital camera from House and reportedly demanded, but did not receive, his encryption keys. DHS held onto House's equipment for 49 days and returned it only after the ACLU sent a strongly worded letter."

40 of 129 comments (clear)

  1. Not held in contempt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm surprised that he wasn't being held in contempt.. or similar.. for not handing over his keys..

    1. Re:Not held in contempt? by DaHat · · Score: 4, Informative

      Being held in contempt would require a judge making such an order that was violated... in this case, it was simply CBP/DHS.

    2. Re:Not held in contempt? by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not only that, but it's meanIngless since everyone holds the DHS in contempt.

      --
      http://www.rootstrikers.org/
    3. Re:Not held in contempt? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If being in contempt of DHS was punishable, we would all be in jail.

      --
      Scientists point out problems, engineers fix them
      altslashdot.org: The future of slashdot.
    4. Re:Not held in contempt? by koan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Try to keep up:

      In United States v. Doe a federal appeals court 11th circuit ruled on feb 24 2012 that forcing decryption of ones laptop violates fifth amendment.[20][21]

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#United_States

      --
      "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    5. Re:Not held in contempt? by Nyder · · Score: 5, Funny

      If being in contempt of DHS was punishable, we would all be in jail.

      They are working on that.

      --
      Be seeing you...
    6. Re:Not held in contempt? by jd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Doesn't that mean the DHS should be arrested?

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    7. Re:Not held in contempt? by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, for that to happen we'd have to have a justice system. I'm not holding my breath for that, but then again I didn't expect to see the Berlin wall come down in my lifetime.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  2. Inconsistent? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If they can't violate the 1st Amendment, then why can they violate the 4th?

    Is this just setting up a contradiction that will land in the Supreme Court?

    1. Re:Inconsistent? by PatPending · · Score: 5, Informative
      Oh, for goodness sake, RTFA:

      Under the "border search exception" of United States criminal law, international travelers can be searched without a warrant as they enter the U.S. Under the Barack Obama administration, law enforcement agents have aggressively used this power to search travelers' laptops, sometimes copying the hard drive before returning the computer to its owner. Courts have ruled that such laptop searches can take place even in the absence of any reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing.

      --
      What one fool can do, another can. (Ancient Simian Proverb)
    2. Re:Inconsistent? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Warrantless, causeless border searches of closed containers by customs agents have been permissible since the beginning of the Republic under an act passed by the First Congress on July 31, 1787, merely 4 weeks after the ratification.

      What makes this act constitutional is the power granted to Congress under the Constitution to regulate commerce between nations and enforce immigration laws.

      It is VERY unlikely that the Supreme Court will touch this principle that has been in force for 230 years.

    3. Re:Inconsistent? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 5, Funny

      Amendments are obviously written in order of importance

      Oh shit, that means I have to give up alcohol!

      --
      "Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
    4. Re:Inconsistent? by pdabbadabba · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First remember that the 4th Amendment does not actually require a warrant before the government can search your property. It just requires that searches be "reasonable." It's just that in most cases the courts have held that reasonableness requires a warrant. Not so, they have said, at the border where travelers expect that they might be searched and where the government has a heightened interest in controlling what moves in and out of the country. Imagine trying to enforce customs regulations without an ability to search! (Note that I don't agree with all of the powers that the government claims flow from this, but this should help to explain why at least some of what they do is OK under the 4th Amendment.)

      But the government can't enforce its laws in a way that infringe on other rights. So, for example, the police can't decide to only pull over black people for speeding, even if they were actually speeding. Or, here, the government can't decide to only seize the property of people who belong to the wrong organizations (such as the Bradley Manning Support Network). That would violate the 1st Amendment just as pulling over only black people for speeding would violate the 14th.

    5. Re:Inconsistent? by grcumb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What makes this act constitutional is the power granted to Congress under the Constitution to regulate commerce between nations and enforce immigration laws.

      It is VERY unlikely that the Supreme Court will touch this principle that has been in force for 230 years.

      And what would make it UN-constitutional is if the search and seizure were done to silence domestic political opposition. Which is why the judge is allowing the case to proceed.

      --
      Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
    6. Re:Inconsistent? by EdIII · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Which is why if I travel international from now on I remove my hard drives and replace them with a sanitized factory OS that only contains pictures of kittens and puppies. Anything really important can be retrieved over a VPN and then decrypted. Coming back into the US I have the hard drives removed and shipped before hand. Fuck em.

      Of course that is a temporary measure and most likely useless when the DHS greatly expands its role to bus stops, truck weighing stations, interior border checkpoints, and the friendly mall nearest you.....

      Eventually they will solve unemployment by making some barely educated moron, who graduated their fast track "degree in the security arts", pat me down entering and leaving my house.

    7. Re:Inconsistent? by Loki_666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wait a minute! Doesn't this mean if they copy the contents then they may be pirating software, films, and music? .

    8. Re:Inconsistent? by jcr · · Score: 3, Informative

      British law allowed for soldiers to essentially write their own search warrants.,

      It was actually worse than that. A soldier could write out a "writ of assistance" that compelled people to help him conduct the search, including the person whose property was being searched. It was as bad as the "PATRIOT" act.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    9. Re:Inconsistent? by Bob9113 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Imagine trying to enforce customs regulations without an ability to search!

      Without the ability to search laptop hard drives? OK, I'll try to imagine that... Done. In fact, it was really easy. Here's how it goes:

      You search things like trailers and trunks that carry physical things. Physical things that cannot cross the border via the Internet. Then, you don't search the hard drives, because they are not particularly useful for transporting Cuban cigars or Persian rugs.

      Hard drives are only good for transporting data, which can travel just as easily through the Internet, or on a micro SD card that the border agents would not be able to find without stripping the vehicle to component parts. The increased probability of catching even a moderately intelligent data trafficker by checking laptop hard drives is vanishingly small, and utterly insufficient to be reasonable cause for avoiding a fourth amendment violation.

      Which is to say; customs enforcement is not remotely credible as the actual, underlying justification for searching a hard drive.

      Therefore, the objective of the executive in doing such searches must be something other than customs enforcement. Those objectives may be fine and wonderful things, but they are not directly related to crossing the border. The border crossing is the distinguishing event; the proximate source of reasonableness that prevents a violation of the fourth from a warrantless search. If the infraction in question is not directly related to the crossing of the border, the crossing of the border cannot be the means to satisfy the reasonableness requirement in a rational society.

    10. Re:Inconsistent? by stealth_finger · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait a minute! Doesn't this mean if they copy the contents then they may be pirating software, films, and music? .

      Someone call the RIAA, maybe these two behemoths can bludgeon each other to death over a long drawn out battle and leave the rest of us the fuck alone for a while.

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
    11. Re:Inconsistent? by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Funny

      See, I've always recommended this map, also by the ACLU, that shows exactly where in the US your civil liberties are being protected properly.

      --
      I am officially gone from /. Long live http://www.soylentnews.com/
    12. Re:Inconsistent? by jythie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, the 'corporate personhood' in the US started as an outgrowth of how British law handled the issue, so the basic framework did indeed come form England.

  3. I'm hoping by Lucky_Pierre · · Score: 5, Funny

    For change.

    --
    "Whenever the cause of the people is entrusted to professors, it is lost." ~ V.I. Lenin
    1. Re:I'm hoping by rastos1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm hoping ... for change.

      Here. My $0.02. They are now yours. That's all you'll get.

  4. Police State by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This country was founded (in part) to protect people from the very shenanigans going on now re: unlawful search and seizure. Most of this crap is being justified under the umbrella of the "war on terror." The current occupant was elected by in large to combat the Bush era Patriot Act and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Perhaps we have met the enemy.

    1. Re:Police State by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We have met the enemy, and he is us. We're the ones who assumed BHO would be different from GWB.

    2. Re:Police State by eldorel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Voting against someone implies voting for someone else.

      All i'm seeing is the same shit sandwich with different kinds of bread.


      Sorry, not hungry.

    3. Re:Police State by jcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We're the ones who assumed BHO would be different from GWB.

      Speak for yourself. It was obvious to a lot of people that the teleprompter-in-chief was a wholly-owned minion of Goldman Sachs before he even set foot in the Senate chamber for the first time.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    4. Re:Police State by eldorel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While there are more than two parties, the simple fact is that no third party candidate has even been on the ballot in every district in the past 20 years.

      I've already talked about this in other threads over the past few years, but here it is again.
      Last presidential election I was asked to leave my voting district after asking for a write in vote because the candidate I wanted was not available.

      I even called the police department about it, expecting to have an officer preset to insure I didn't "disturb the peace".
      Instead I was told to just vote for one of the people on the ballot and play nice.

      How can we get anyone through the system that isn't a republican or democrat if they aren't allowed on the ballot, on TV, and aren't even allowed to participate in the "Open Debates" in places like ohio?

    5. Re:Police State by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Expecting a new party to stand a chance in the presidential elections is like expecting to become CEO on your first day at a company. Start with local and state elections. Get a few people in and show that they're competent. Then stand for congress. Once you've got a few people in congress, use their voting records and speeches when campaigning for president. The only time I know of political parties becoming established and successful more quickly than this have been in new democracies or when they were formed by a group of people leaving an established party.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
  5. Strongly worded letter by PatPending · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anyone have a link to (or copy of) the ACLU's "strongly worded letter" to the TSA? Its contents might prove useful to others in a similar situation.

    --
    What one fool can do, another can. (Ancient Simian Proverb)
    1. Re:Strongly worded letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, but I can point you to the many strongly-worded letters I've sent to politicians, manufacturers, restaurants, and TV Guide, concerning various topics. They're all excellent examples of strongly-worded letters that had no effect.

    2. Re:Strongly worded letter by iamgnat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Return his equipment OR ELSE.....!

      We'll put you in the COMFY CHAIR!

    3. Re:Strongly worded letter by Inda · · Score: 3, Funny

      As an Englishman, I can obtusely say that that's no strongly worded letter.

      Where's the wit? The wow-words? The insulting, demeaning tone? The hidden threats?

      And, at five pages, that novel was four pages too long.

      God save the Queen.

      --
      This post contains benzene, nitrosamines, formaldehyde and hydrogen cyanide.
  6. Not Inconsistent... by IBitOBear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Violating the First Amendment is a violation of Apparent Freedom(tm) and is part of Political Theater(tm).

    Violating the Fourth Amendment is a violation of Apparent Secrecy(tmp and is part of Security Theater(tm).

    The DHS, in its puppet role over the TSA is in charge of Security Theater(tm) and so had no leg to stand on against the First Amendment.

    If proper form were followed, the DHS would have picked a fight with House in a public place away from the border but within view of a political edifice, and "accidentally damaged" the material seized, then claimed it was known to contain child pornogrpahy because someone saw it over House's shoulder.

    In short, this was all a failure of Due Process, as they used the entirely incorrect Rail Road in its persuit.

    It'll be fixed in post production before air... just you wait...

    --
    Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
    --"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
    1. Re:Not Inconsistent... by IBitOBear · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Railroading someone in pursuit of "Justice(tm)" has become commonplace in this country. Each form of railroading has its very onw pro-forma means and mode of operation. In drugs offenses, for instance, they get to weigh the packaging as part of the drug and assign "street value" that corresponds to no known street in order to lay on extra charges etc. In this case they used border seizure on a politically undersireable person. This was not the correct means or venue. e.g. "they picked the wrong railroad" to go after this guy. (the e instad of u was just a typo.)

      --
      Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
      --"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
    2. Re:Not Inconsistent... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Informative

      Long been commonplace. It's standard practice in computer crime to count the cost of securing the computers as damages - that's how a hacker (Or more often, script kiddie with luck) can break into a system, do nothing, leave, and still do enough 'damage' to make it a felony.

  7. Look Out! by exomondo · · Score: 4, Funny

    He's got a strongly worded letter!

  8. Can We Search You ? by rust627 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes We Can !

    --
    da da da dum indeed.