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Best Buy Closing 50 Stores

An anonymous reader tips news that electronics retailer Best Buy will be closing 50 of its big-box stores across the U.S. this year, and laying off hundreds of corporate workers besides. The company plans to start testing new types of outlets as it tries to adapt to the changing face of retail sales. From the article: "Best Buy shares were off 7.7% at $24.56 on Thursday afternoon on the New York Stock Exchange. Also Thursday, Best Buy reported a $1.7 billion loss for its fourth quarter ended March 3. ... Consumers armed with mobile phones are increasingly using stores as showrooms to check out merchandise they later purchase for less online, a trend greatly benefiting Internet retailers such as Amazon.com Inc. that aren't encumbered by the costs of running physical locations and in many cases don't have to collect sales tax. Meanwhile Apple Inc.'s phones and tablets, showcased in its own namesake stores, have eroded the status of specialty chains as the one-stop shop for the latest in gadgetry. In response, Best Buy said it will launch large-scale tests of what it calls new 'connected store' formats in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul, Minn., as well as San Antonio. The stores, which will emphasize services such as technology support and wireless connections, will feature large new hubs at their center to assist shoppers, as well as reconfigured checkout lanes and new areas to accelerate the pickup of items purchased earlier online."

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  1. Good by wisnoskij · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If any retail chain deserves to fail it is Best Buy.

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    1. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If any retail chain deserves to fail it is Best Buy.

      That's what you said about Circuit City, CompUSA, Borders, Tower Records, Sam Goody...

    2. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      For what it is worth, Best Buy does have a high value for me as a showroom. And for when I absolutely have to have something that day.

    3. Re:Good by suso · · Score: 5, Informative

      For what it is worth, Best Buy does have a high value for me as a showroom.

      Which no doubt is one of the reasons it is failing. People going to the store to look, then going online to buy. Of course, in the 80s, this is how big box stores got their business. People would go to the small locally owned TV/electronics retailers to get the spiel, but then go for the lower prices at the big box stores. It sucks to be on the other end doesn't it Best Buy?

    4. Re:Good by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm actually surprised nobody has taken this "showroom" concept to the OBVIOUS next level: a storefront with no backroom inventory, that solicits single sample floor models from various online retailers, and for a set monthly fee, puts a QR code Sticker on each floor model. Maybe even going so far as to team up with Amazon or somebody similar to provide the small manufacturer single-point-of-distribution services.

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    5. Re:Good by Korin43 · · Score: 5, Informative

      And for when I absolutely have to have something that day.

      I used to feel that way.. until the day they tried to sell me a discount video card for $120, and then I went home and got it online, with overnight shipping for about $30. Similar story for hard drives or any kind of cable (they tried to sell me a SATA cable for $30 -- they're literally $1 online). Having things today is nice, but I can wait 24 hours for that kind of discount.

    6. Re:Good by mmell · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I might have argued with you, up until last year . . .

      I went to buy a desktop machine there last year. Irritating enough that I couldn't buy naked metal, but I'm used to the M$ tax. I just don't activate and sell 'em back their OEM license (which requires enough jumping through hoops, Dell makes it practically impossible). Well, the salesman there says "Okay, I'll run this up to the Geek Squad counter so they can activate your copy of Windows and get your machine ready for you". Well, when I told him "no, I'm planning to install Linux on it when I get it home", suddenly I have a problem. Seems it takes a Manager to authorize sale of a PC without the Geek Squad activating Windows (and doing G*D knows what else).

      Had to argue with the Manager for twenty minutes before he finally let me buy the PC in the box under factory seal. He seemed to feel that I was going to damage the hardware somehow by my personal incompetence and then hold Best Buy to blame for the damages. I swear, the guy had the I.Q. of a turnip, yet here he was making sure I knew just how foolish and uninformed he thought I was not letting their cast of script-kiddie wannabes manhandle and mangle my machine before I got my hands on it. I suppose over twenty-five years working in the IT industry doesn't qualify me to manage my own hardware and software. *Sigh*

      It all fell apart when the Manager insisted I sign a document waiving my warranty because I wouldn't let the Geek Squad play "Solitaire" on it before selling me my hardware (actually, I believe they were interested in activating Windows, running Windows Update, ensuring the Symantec A/V product was installed and updated and setting some default settings which they believe are smarter than the Windows defaults). He really didn't seem to get that even IF I was interested in an antivirus solution it sure as hell wouldn't be Symantec, and he also didn't understand that once installed it damned near takes an act of Congress to get it to uninstall. He also didn't understand that in all probability I'm considerably more qualified than any of their snot-nosed Geek Squad twerps even in the area of Windows System Administration. In short, he didn't get it and kept insisting that I was being foolish.

      I ended up buying my host from - brace yourself - Fingerhut, of all places. Sure, I still paid the M$ tax (and spent three months getting my M$ tax refund), but if I'd let the geeks at Best Buy touch it, I wouldn't have been able to do that. And like I said, it's a lot easier not to install Symantec A/V then it is to uninstall it.

    7. Re:Good by Wain13001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No no, CompUSA deserved it too. As a former CompUSA employee, I guarantee you, they were the devil just as much as the others. When we started selling 6-10' USB cables for $39.99 so we could more easily convince people to buy our Printer warranty kit for $49.99 that *came with a free cable* I quit.

    8. Re:Good by asylumx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...they tried to sell me a discount video card for $120, and then I went home and got it online, with overnight shipping for about $30. Similar story for hard drives or any kind of cable (they tried to sell me a SATA cable for $30 -- they're literally $1 online).

      I find it funny that people blame Amazon's success and brick-and-mortar's failure on lack of sales taxes, when examples like these are rampant.

    9. Re:Good by milbournosphere · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Somebody did try this. Gateway opened quite a few stores with this idea in the 90s. There was one local to where I lived. The store was shiny and all, but they didn't keep any product in stock and IIRC, they preferred that you picked up their merch from the store, rather than shipping direct to your home. Needless to say, the idea failed miserably. Perhaps a modern day attempt would work for larger tech products like TVs and the like. I'm curious to see how this pans out.

    10. Re:Good by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Informative

      It couldn't be how every time I go into a Best Buy it is a horrible experience. It couldn't be how any time you ask one of the minimum wage sales people a question about a product, the answer is, "I don't know, but would you like an extended warranty?" It couldn't be that to make up for the loss leaders they price other things through the roof. Just Google "Why best buy deserves to fail" and you will see I am not alone. My two favourites are http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrydownes/2012/01/02/why-best-buy-is-going-out-of-business-gradually/ and http://www.jrdeputyaccountant.com/2012/02/why-best-buy-deserves-to-die-horrible.html personally.

    11. Re:Good by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As another former CompUSA employee, I have to agree. Towards the end, just before the liquidation, the emphasis on TAP (their extended warranty program) reached almost hysterical levels. I suspect it was due to the fact that it was the highest margin thing we sold in the store (most people never even used the warranty they'd bought), but I wonder if the higher-ups, since they knew that we were going to be folding soon, wanted to soak up as much extra cash before they announced they were liquidating as possible. I do remember about 2-3 months before liquidation we were told to ship large amounts of store inventory (brand new shit, at least a dozen pallets worth from our store) down to some bizarre redistribution center in Mexico. We joked that it was some sort of Mexican drug trafficking scheme or something, but then when we got word that the liquidation was going down, it made sense, Carlos Slim was probably hiding it down there so it wouldn't get sucked up in the bankruptcy.

      Of course, we employees heard after it hit the news. Not that we didn't suspect, given that Christmas was right around the corner and we'd gotten shit for Christmas freight compared to other years, but we didn't officially find out until, I shit you not, a bunch of security guards showed up to make sure us employees weren't going to start looting the place. We didn't even know why the hell they were even there for like an hour until finally the word filtered down from corporate and we found out we were all out of a job.

      Honestly, though, after that it was a fucking blast. Nobody gave a shit about anything anymore, so everybody was chill in a way I'd never experienced in that place (after all the ranting about TAP and Sirius and XM and Tech Labor and all that shit they were constantly on our ass to push), and it was like a carnival for a couple months. Got a ton of shit pretty damn cheap, too, our liquidator representative was pretty fucking cool. Cleaning up fixtures netted all sorts of buried treasure, AOL disks, ancient computer parts, sales brochures for Windows 98...it was kinda fun for a computer enthusiast.

      Anyway, c'est la vie. Best Buy was just hanging on anyway. The days of the big box electronics retailer are over. It's all Walmart and Amazon now. Don't know if that's a good thing or not...

    12. Re:Good by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seems it takes a Manager to authorize sale of a PC without the Geek Squad activating Windows (and doing G*D knows what else).

      I have run into that too. I said, "No, I want a new computer, not a used computer." I ended up leaving as well.

    13. Re:Good by gumbi+west · · Score: 5, Informative

      For me it was the time I went there to buy a monitor and walked out when someone wasn't at the front checking receipts, so a guy comes tearing down hallway outside the store (in a mall), yelling at me to stop, grabs the monitor and holds on, demanding to see a receipt. I told him to get his hands of my stuff. He threatened to call the cops. I told him that I would like that so he would get his hands off my stuff. He then took said he would let go if I showed him my receipt. I agreed, but will never go back.

    14. Re:Good by robot256 · · Score: 4, Informative

      More times than not in recent memory whenever I go to a physical store to get something besides routine groceries, I come away empty-handed. Why? Either they don't stock what I want, or it's too expensive, or I just couldn't find it in the damn mess. My time is worth more than that, so online shopping wins hands-down. MicroCenter because a whole lot more attractive when they added "order online, pick up in store" because you could get it the same day but let their staff do the work of digging out from behind whatever shelf it fell last week.

    15. Re:Good by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's funny, because I remember Circuit City really started pushing their extended warranty before they went out of business. And I swear these days Best Buy will try to offer you a warranty on their snack food if you let them.

      I think we may have discovered a new Chapter 11 leading indicator...

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  3. They can't blame sales tax by sandytaru · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For me, Best Buy is a matter of convenience. If I don't need it RIGHT THIS MINUTE, I will order it online from Newegg or Amazon and get it in a few days. But sometimes, you need something right now, and you're willing to pay a premium for it. For me, that premium is $10 or so more than what I could get online, assuming the product is under a hundred dollars. About a year ago, I needed an HDMI cable. Amazon had it for ten bucks. So I said, all right, going to Best Buy, if they have it for around twenty they've got my business. The cheapest six foot HDMI cable they had, from their own house brand, was forty dollars. And that's not even touching on the sales tax.

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  4. So long Best Buy by Lithdren · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I went into a Best Buy just last week. My wireless mouse was acting up and tired of replacing batteries, I wanted a good old fashioned wired mouse. After searching for an employee to show me where they were (because I couldn't seem to locate them myself) I was shown to a small corner of the showroom behind the Ipad 2 displays.

    23 mice. Thats it. Every last one of them was Wireless. When I asked about this I was shown some package deals they had of Keyboard and Mouse (which I didn't need) that had a wired mouse. Aside from being horribly cheap looking, I didn't need the keyboard.

    When I got home, I went on Amazon.com, read a few reviews, and ordered excatly what I wanted. Its on its way as I type this, sure I didn't have it same day...but when you can no longer even FIND what you're looking for in a big box store, what the hell is the point?

    1. Re:So long Best Buy by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well it's OBVIOUSLY your fault for wanting to purchase a low-margin item that can't have a warranty upsell attached. Next you'll want a power strip that isn't also a router. Can't you be reasonable and spend $75 on a shiny looking mouse that doesn't suit your needs?

    2. Re:So long Best Buy by wisnoskij · · Score: 4, Funny

      I am surprised they do not offer "lost mouse ball" insurance for their mice. They could make a lot off of that, particulate with all of the optical mice.

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  5. Re:Let them die like they deserve. by RagingFuryBlack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I couldn't agree more. On top of what the op stated, I can't stand being literally stalked by a comsuck salesman from the second that I walk in the door. When BestBuy started allowing comcast people to follow you from point of entry to anywhere you went in the store in order to bug you about switching your non existant television service, I stopped shopping there. It was like I was being followed by a persistent pop-up that I couldn't turn off. Worst part about it was that I had to insult the salesman to get him to leave me be. A string of "No" and "leave me alone" did no good. I'll stick to amazon and Microcenter for when I need something fast.

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  6. What an extended warranty sales pitch sounds like by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Funny

    "This is a great product, you've made a solid choice. It will be a good investment for years to come."
    "Okay, I'll get it."
    "Sure, but you'll want the extended warranty."
    "Why?"
    "Because these are badly made, they break constantly and are very expensive to fix."

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  7. Browse at Best Buy, buy from Amazon... by Picass0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I like killing time at Best Buy. I never actually buy anything from them, way overpriced. But when I want to see if something looks like quality or crap it's a good place to go for a demo.

    But then I become tempted to buy something.... A few weeks ago I wanted to get a new screen protector for my wife's Samsung Epic. "Can I help you sir?" "Yeah, do you have a screen film for this phone?" "Yes, we have this one with a lifetime warranty for 20 dollars."

    Honest Abe. 20 bucks for a fancy piece of scotch tape.

    "Oh, we're going broke!!!!" Good.

  8. Forbes covered this really well by onyxruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Forbes had a really good article explaining why this was inevitable a few months ago. The author was absolutely dead right about his central point contrasting best buy and amazon.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrydownes/2012/01/02/why-best-buy-is-going-out-of-business-gradually/

    He makes the point that it isn't about money, it's about the customer experience and he is absolutely right. Amazon goes to extremes to make the customer have a better experience. Best Buy goes to extremes to make the customer more profitable. Best Buy needs to drop their customer as the enemy mentality and learned to embrace the customer instead of alienating them on a routine basis.

  9. Ya that's always been my problem by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sales tax doesn't bother me. I don't even notice it on anything that isn't a really large purchase particularly since from most places you pay shipping anyhow so it is kinda a wash. Also I'm willing to pay more for local convenience. It is nice to just go and get something, and not have to wait, and also be able to take it back, should that be needed. However there's a limit to what I'll pay, it has to be in the same ballpark.

    So one time I'm looking at cheap(ish) speakers. I find some JBL E series that looks good. J&R had them for like $300, shipping included (who is a retail store I might add, they aren't mail order only). Ok that's good, and shipping is non-trivial because they are big towers. However let's check local. Nice to not have to wait a week (things that big come by train) and if there's a problem I'd rather take them back to the store than fuck around with shipping something that big for RMA. Best Buy is listed as the only local dealer by JBL.

    So I head over there. They do have them in stock... For $600. Are you fucking kidding me? Double? You want twice the price of J&R? Hell no. So J&R got the order.

    Best Buy wants to price themselves like they are some kind of premium shop. However their employees don't know shit. They try to pretend they do, which is more annoying than if they just said "I'm not a subject matter expert, I'm just here to help you with basic retail support." So if you don't get the premium service, why the premium price?

    Hence I never shop there. I've bought things form Wilson Audio, which is a local premiums shop and ya, it is expensive but they really do have some experts there. I also shop at Target, no premium service there but the prices are good and I can get what I want right now (and physically look at things before buying).

    Best Buy is being killed by their own stupidity, not by Amazon.

  10. Re:What an extended warranty sales pitch sounds li by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I worked for Sears ten years ago I refused to "push" extended warranties. I told the customer that for $25 extra they can warranty their refrigerator five years and get free replacement of food if there's a power outage or failure. Plus repair. 95% of the time they'd say "no" and I'd ask "Are you sure?" and then drop it.

    Sears responded by pulling me off the floor (thus I earn no money except min. wage) and making me watch Warranty training videos, because my EW percentage was too low. Basically punishment.

    I didn't stay at that store long. I thought it would be a fun parttime job for extra cash, but it made me feel dirty instead.

    EWs truly are a waste of money. Appliances either suffer infant mortality (first few months) or end-of-life mortality (15-20 years). The infant mortality is covered by the manufacturer's 1 year deal, and EOL is just EOL. Extended warranty covers neither of these two cases.

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  11. Treating Customers Like Criminals by FreshlyShornBalls · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No one seems to have brought it up so I will. I don't mind paying a premium for getting an item today. Or for being able to hold the thing in my hands while I'm making a decision. But they're so worried about getting ripped off, they treat everyone like a criminal. Their security at the front of the store and their policy of requiring GOVERMNMENT-ISSUED PHOTO ID to return an item, even if purchased with a credit card, is absurd. Next up: a full-fledged TSA groping on the way out the door. No thanks. Good riddance.

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  12. Showrooming has a cure: Service and Expertise by wanderfowl · · Score: 4, Informative

    I recently found myself in the market for a digital piano. I went to my local (actually local) piano store and checked what they had (wanting to feel the keys more than anything else), and fell in love with a particular model. They had it for $699. I went online and found an online retailer who had it for $499 ($20 shipping) in a special sale. As this is an actual local store, with actual local owners, I called the owner up and explained the price I had found (with a printout ready, which he didn't even demand).

    Although he said he couldn't match that price without taking a loss, he immediately offered to knock $100 off his price, and to take my old model on consignment. In addition, he offered some great advice about stands, offered to deliver it for free. He also explained that he wanted me to be happy with it, so I shouldn't hesitate to return it if I had any problems with it. So, I went with the local guys, and picked it up (and the owner even stayed around 15 minutes after closing to seal the deal that very day).

    All told, I probably ended up paying around $100 extra to stay local. But with the return policy being humane, the service incredible, and with actual expertise on the accessories needed, I still feel good about it, and feel it was money well spent. Had I demoed the unit at Best Buy and they'd had such a high price, I likely would've ordered online without a second thought, as I know they have a crappy return policy, no expertise, and no service to speak of.

    Retailers need to know that price is not the sole factor that drives people towards (or away from) online retailers. Showrooming isn't all about price. With the piano, I paid the extra money for service and expertise (and to support that service and expertise being available in the future), online didn't just win instantly because of price. Lower prices aren't the reason I use Best Buy (and their ilk) as a showroom. Crappy service, pushy sales, and bad policies are the reason I showroom. Prices are just the excuse.