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After Megaupload, MPAA Targets Other File Sharing Services

An anonymous reader writes "It is no secret that the MPAA was a main facilitator of the criminal investigation against Megaupload. While the movie studios have praised the actions of the U.S. Government, they are not satisfied yet. Paramount Pictures' vice president for worldwide content protection identified Fileserve, MediaFire, Wupload, Putlocker and Depositfiles as prime targets that should be shuttered next."

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  1. Pirate Bay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess the pirate bay is still flying under the radar. Hopefully that one never goes mainstream.

    1. Re:Pirate Bay? by sg_oneill · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh its above the radar. Heck its founders even did jail for it. But they are taking a solid stance and have basically told the MPAA/RIAA to fuck off and have deployed clever lawyers to keep it afloat.

      This whole thing really is pissing me off. My band uses these services to facilitate distributing our album and what not, and since a lot of our followers really dont know how to drive bit-torrent, this is the easiest way to get them the goodies.

      And because we are distributed across 2 countries (Members in the US and Australia) , we use it to send mixdowns and recording stems when we do stuff.. I mean I guess we probably should move to dropbox for that sort of thing, but the point still remains. These bloody lawyers are trying to ban ALL sharing, and seriously not all, in fact probably most, sharing is piracy.

      Its bullshit, these people need to be called out as enemies of the internet and free speech.

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    2. Re:Pirate Bay? by blackraven14250 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a smaller, (presumably) independent band, the RIAA wouldn't mind killing you off. The RIAA isn't there for small artists; they're there for the few giant names they can push, and any competition is bad competition in their view.

    3. Re:Pirate Bay? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My band uses these services to facilitate distributing our album and what not

      Your label is supposed to handle that for you. If you're not signed with a major label and have the temerity to try to distribute your own music, you're clearly some kind of terrorist socialist pedophile drug dealer pirate, and will be dealt with accordingly.

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    4. Re:Pirate Bay? by Xelios · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Independent film makers get similar treatment from the MPAA. And unlike musicians they really are forced to deal with them to have their film rated for release.

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    5. Re:Pirate Bay? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Heck its founders even did jail for it.

      Actually none of them have. They have been sentenced but only one is actually living in Sweden and his will be served in the community rather than behind bars. The others left ages ago and the authorities have been unable to recover a single penny of assets from them to pay the millions of Euros in fines, and as they are now in countries that won't extradite to the EU there is pretty much no chance of them doing any time. Plus there are still appeals in the pipeline.

      Meanwhile the Pirate Bay continues, benefiting from free publicity paid for by the media companies trying to take them down.

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    6. Re:Pirate Bay? by TFAFalcon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      MPAA will contact Youtube and get your video removed. They own all music after all.

    7. Re:Pirate Bay? by sg_oneill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As a smaller, (presumably) independent band, the RIAA wouldn't mind killing you off. The RIAA isn't there for small artists; they're there for the few giant names they can push, and any competition is bad competition in their view.

      Well neither the RIAA or ARIA have ever done a frigging thing for us, so I don't doubt that. Heck I even had a genine "no no" issue of piracy happen to us once where I found a site in the US selling our MP3s for about half the priace we where selling them. I dont care if you pirate-bay or whatever our songs, its not really about that for us. But don't sell our work without giving us a cut of it, is all we ask.

      Well I contacted ARIA, and they said "Oh thats in the US, we cant help you". So I contacted the RIAA and they said "Your australians, we are not really interested sorry."

      Well I bet if we where AC/DC or something they would be.

      Frankly I'd rather kim dotcom got my money than RIAA or ARIA. At least I'm under know illusions as to who Kim represents.

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    8. Re:Pirate Bay? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Independent film makers get similar treatment from the MPAA. And unlike musicians they really are forced to deal with them to have their film rated for release.

      And if you are an indie filmmaker, you can expect very harsh treatment at the hands of MPAA for your rating.

      I just heard an interview with the director of the terrific new documentary Bully and he was talking about how the MPAA wanted to give his movie an "R" even though all of the characters were real teenagers involved in real bullying and the movie is possibly the most important movie for middle and high-school kids to see. He ended up just going "Unrated" which of course will limit his distribution (but it looks like a lot of media people are getting behind him to help out).

      I've made a portion of my living as a professional musician, composer and arranger for about 25 years and I won't go near a project with anything but an indie label and not only an indie label but a really small privately-held indie label. I most enjoy self-released work, which in my opinion has now reached a point of quality every bit as good as anything on a major. I only pay for music when I can buy direct from the artist, or very nearly direct. I'm hoping to get to that point with movies someday.

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    9. Re:Pirate Bay? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 3

      I'm still trying to find the part where he's being funny. From what I've seen, his assessment is totally accurate.

    10. Re:Pirate Bay? by jez9999 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well I contacted ARIA, and they said "Oh thats in the US, we cant help you". So I contacted the RIAA and they said "Your australians, we are not really interested sorry."

      Why did you offer them australians?

  2. vice president for worldwide content protection by macraig · · Score: 5, Informative

    That Paramount actually has a "vice president for worldwide content protection" says plenty.

    1. Re:vice president for worldwide content protection by PatPending · · Score: 4, Funny

      Heh. Reminds me of a story from the sixties about General Motors. A customer called GM to complain about his car.

      The phone operator asked what was wrong and the guy said a mirror was defective.

      "Which mirror?" she asked.

      "The side mirror" he replied.

      "Which side?"

      "The passenger side."

      "I'll connect you to the Vice President for Passenger Side Mirrors."

      Dunno if it's true or not. My grandfather worked in the US auto industry for 30 years and had lots of interesting stories to tell...

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    2. Re:vice president for worldwide content protection by game+kid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Do you not realize how tough it is to be promoted to that office? The Executive Vice President of Employee Titles (who's also the Creative Director of Padded Résumés and Acting Senior Human Resources Strategist) does not just bandy these things around willy-nilly.

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    3. Re:vice president for worldwide content protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Piracy is only illegal because the law says copying and distributing music is illegal.

      People who support piracy are fighting to have the law changed. These people believe that since music can be copied indefinitely and at no cost (even though there is an initial cost of producing the music), the music industry should change to a business model that makes music free.
      There are also people who are just fed up with the music industry's abusive behavior. They can sue people who upload music to others for all I care, but many of us are sick of seeing sharing services get shut down - these services have useful, legal purposes. We're m also sick of all the fake DMCA take-downs, the "pay-up or else" letters that target innocent people, the attempts to make wifi network owners liable for how other people use their network, the extradition of young students to the USA for doing something that is legal in their own country, the SLAPP lawsuits, the constantly increasing copyright terms that lock away history from the public (yes, some songs and movies can be considered of historical value), etc.

      You can disagree with this, but the fact is, people are not saying the music industry should stop using the protections that the law gives it: they're saying these protections should be taken away. They want to change the law, arguing "but it's the law" is beside the point.
      And you won't convince anyone that the music industry should get protections from the law when the music industry behaves the way it does, just like if Hitler were alive you would not succeed at convincing anyone that he should have the right to own a gas chamber.

    4. Re:vice president for worldwide content protection by kestasjk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cars / guns aren't really the best analogy.. It'd be more like a shipping service that ships 10% legal goods and 90% illegal goods. If they took action to cut out the illegal stuff there wouldn't be a problem.

      They also took it a step further in how they paid people who got the most downloads and got people to subscribe. Even TPB keeps a degree of separation between themselves, the illegal content, and the way they make money, but megaupload was pretty much making money directly off people uploading illegal content and getting subscribers to pay to download it quickly.

      Also no-one needs TPB to distribute their personally created music.. Even if your band can't afford the miniscule hosting fees you can just host the torrent file; the whole point of bittorrent is it doesn't need sites like TPB.

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    5. Re:vice president for worldwide content protection by rotorbudd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, you had me there till Godwin's Law struck.
      Gas Chamber = Ripped song?

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    6. Re:vice president for worldwide content protection by Skal+Tura · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, they should update their business plan to make most revenue from:
        - Legitimate download sites (where artist gets more than 0.01% of revenue)
        - Performances, ie. concerts bringing in the dough, and maybe some new innovative live performance formats for more revenue per gig
        - Merchandise/fan products
        - Physical media as a shelf decoration. pretty much like it is now, but saner pricing, and emphasis on showcasing it, that's why many people buy CDs/DVDs/BluRays, but also give access to digital, online copy which allows more convenient watching than putting the physical media in.
        - Direct monetary gifts from fans -> who just want to support the artist, but does not necessarily need more crap etc.
        - For some bands, "custom tailored" music, ie. for companies, movies etc. This is already happening but more direct and bigger scale adoption, ie. hourly rates or something like that.

      Generally by increasing accessibility they should be able to monetize better.
      If i want to buy an album today, i have very few choices: Physical store for media i cannot use since i don't own even a SINGLE "just a cd player", iTunes for devices which i don't own (i don't own iPhone, iPad, iPod or any other apple devices), Spotify for computer only listening (nothing to play in my car).

      I need non-DRM'd MP3, FLAC or OGG format so i can play it on any of the devices i have, ie. car, phone, computer, ps3

      As it stands now, i would need to change to iPhone and purchase via iTunes (at a non-sensible per track price), and change my car audio system to accept iPhone for convenient access to most of my devices. Ofc, for iTunes to work properly i need to change to Mac OSX as well which means buying a mac. This still leaves my PS3, and other DLNA devices out (or has iTunes gained DLNA capability?). No i don't want new expensive devices.

      On car i only radio, usb and bluetooth.
      On computers i don't even bother installing a DVD drive anymore for longer than OS installation.
      I use a Nokia phone (E7, got to love the QWERTY and casing it has!)

      So my options are extremely limited! In practice i listen to radio only anymore because access is so ridiculously limited.

      I guess there is probably SOME option, but i really can't be arsed to search for such a solution, if i need to put in time to try and find such a solution it's not accessible enough. There is plenty of radio channels to choose from even just from FM, which is easy and convenient :)
      Downside is none of the artists i really like gets no monetary gain from me directly in any fashion anymore, only thing they get is from the radio royalties get from me. I wouldn't mind buying a few albums if it meant i could listen on any device of my preference, anywhere, anytime, with or without access to internet.

    7. Re:vice president for worldwide content protection by AngryDeuce · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also no-one needs TPB to distribute their personally created music.. Even if your band can't afford the miniscule hosting fees you can just host the torrent file; the whole point of bittorrent is it doesn't need sites like TPB.

      Nobody needs anything in this world but food, clothing, shelter, and medical care. The point is, people use The Pirate Bay to distribute legitimately, the number of hits that it gets (according to Alexa, the 206th most visited site in the world) make it worthwhile to put things there for distribution.

      Just because you'd rather throw the baby out with the bathwater doesn't mean the rest of us want to. You don't think the RIAA would cream their jeans if they could just stop all music sharing on the internet, legit or not? You don't think they would abuse their power if given the chance? Come on. They themselves have gotten busted for the same shit.

    8. Re:vice president for worldwide content protection by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Piracy is only illegal because the law says copying and distributing music is illegal.

      Exactly. I remember reading of a US study here on /. concerning sharing music being socially acceptable (I can't fucking find it no matter what I search, so here's the link to the Danish one) that found that something like 70% of people did not see anything wrong with sharing music with family and friends. The study I'd read dialed it down even further into more specific scenarios, but that one statistic stood out.

      My point is, if the vast majority of people have no moral issues sharing music online, then perhaps it's not the people that are the problem, but the law itself. The laws are supposed to reflect the social mores of the day, are they not?

    9. Re:vice president for worldwide content protection by jamstar7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why wouldn't they? They sell a product which is pirated around the world. Are the movie companies not even allowed to try to prevent this? They're not a charity. They make a product for the masses with an expectation of a returned profit.

      I don't mind a movie studio making a profit. I DO mind it when that profit is federally mandated, federally guaranteed, and federally enforced. You can blather on and on about a 'free market' all you want, but when federal regulations favoritize an 'industry' that the 'free market' would let die, something is wrong. In media, there is no free market. Under a 'free market', the media companies are responsible for financing their own enforcement of their copyrights. Under current legislation and under legislation 'under consideration' that will pass no matter what, the enforcement is pawned off on the government at tax payer expense. That is not the definitition of a 'free market'. Let the media companies adapt or die, but goddammit, let them pay for enforcing their precious eternal copyrights. It's only right in a free market.

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  3. Countersue by sixtyeight · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When do the various file-sharing services get together and collectively countersue the MPAA for obstruction of commerce, racketeering, and whatever else comes to mind when one industry gets together to choke another?

    For that matter, when does the internet start to crowdfund a bounty in the form of attorneys' fees to go after these guys? Perhaps we were waiting until the ISPs implement "6 Strikes", at which point all the open public WiFi hotspots will necessarily be taken offline or passworded outside common public use.

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    1. Re:Countersue by Trogre · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The best way to get these guys is to cut off their revenue stream. Stop buying [1] their crap.

      [1] By "buying" I also mean downloading, for by doing so you are endorsing it, giving it further mindshare.

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    2. Re:Countersue by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Doesn't work, and here is why: PPT math. You see they simply go into whatever legislature they intend to corrupt with a PPT and give a spiel like this 'As you can see here our focus group says people like X and people like Y, so by this chart here you can see that we SHOULD have made X PLUS Y but since we didn't? it must be those ebil pirates argh!" and then they will simply take your money in the form of a tax, while getting any draconian law passed, after they hand out the bribes of course. See the extra price added to CDs to cover piracy in many places for example.

      You see just like the banks these multinationals have a great "heads i win tails you lose' sort of thing going and there is pretty much not a damned thing you can do to stop it. After all it doesn't matter what the people say or do, the elected officials simply ignore them if it comes down to them or a multinational. throw them out, you just replace shill A with shill B, no change at all. Hell I don't know a single person that has bought one of their CDs at retail in years, we all buy indie artists or pick them up at a used CD shop, see it make ANY difference?

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    3. Re:Countersue by Maow · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The best way to get these guys is to cut off their revenue stream. Stop buying [1] their crap.

      [1] By "buying" I also mean downloading, for by doing so you are endorsing it, giving it further mindshare.

      But the drop in revenue will only be attributed to more pirating.

      Yeah. Kindly fuck off with your "stop buying/downloading" and actually get off your ass and give a shit like the rest of us.

      I've contacted the EFF about issues like this, what have YOU done, mister "sit around and do jack shit"?

      Sorry for cursing, I'm just really peeved about stuff like this.
      I'm an indie musician

      The ills of the entertainment industry are merely symptoms of a greater problem.

      Boycotting in all forms is an excellent plan, while considering options to deal with the real issues (bribery, corruption, crippled economy, laws by the 1% for the 1%, etc.)

      When facing civilization-challenging crises, entertainment is something that's rather easy to ignore / boycott.

      We're likely on the same side, but I see entertainment as the circuses part of "bread & circuses" and seek farther-ranging solutions, which ought to trickle down into the content industries, copyright, and patents.

      Of course, I myself am not exactly sure what to do, and expect any effective solution to be ... messy as hell, probably devastating to many, and entirely unpalatable. At some point, our status quo will be describable in those same terms, and by then maybe some ideas will be on the table with a critical mass of support behind them. Not there yet...

    4. Re:Countersue by Trogre · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So am I, on both counts.

      And to answer your earlier question about what I am doing about these abusive organizations: I have stopped giving them money. On the rare occasion I buy music, I buy indie. If everyone did that, then we wouldn't have this problem.

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    5. Re:Countersue by ThePeices · · Score: 5, Informative

      "But the drop in revenue will only be attributed to more pirating."

      The movie industry has been doing quite well indeed.

      Just look at their profits the past ten years. They are breaking profit records year after year. The movie industry has never made so much money in its history.

      And all of this in the face of rampant piracy for many years.

      What does that tell you?

    6. Re:Countersue by WCLPeter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They are breaking profit revenue records year after year.

      Sorry, had to fix that for you. No movie ever made has ever turned a profit, none. In fact, some world famous movies are such colossal failures they weren't even able to pay the actors who starred in them.

    7. Re:Countersue by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you'd click his links, you'd see that they're totally accurate, and also widely accepted practices within the industry. Do you know why all the big stars get a piece of the gross income instead of a piece of the net income? Because, on paper, every movie has lost money, regardless.

      Once you hear that such films as Rain Man, Forrest Gump, Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, and the Tim Burton Batman "lost money" according to their studios bullshit accounting practices, it's hard to take any of their claims of "lost revenue" due to piracy seriously.

      And it's not limited to the MPAA, either. The RIAA argued that Limewire caused them $75 TRILLION in damages. How does anybody credibly believe anything that comes out of these guys mouths?

  4. This is why America needs the Affordable Care Act by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Affordable Care Act failing to pass muster in the Supreme Court would imperil the planned 2013 Legislative Lobby agenda by the RIAA and MPAA to introduce that Affordable Media Act (AMA) which would provide Government Subsidies to help keep Blu-Ray and Access to Media Streaming Services at existing Prices in exchange for the requirement for all American Tax Payers to show proof of the purchase of at least $500 per year in Digital Media from any one of a number of participants in a Government run Media Marketplace (member including Walmart, iTunes Music Store, Amazon and others) or pay a tax penalty of $100,000.00 or 10 years imprisonment since it can be assumed that by not buying media from an authorized Marketplace Member, you are engaged in Copyright Infringement.

    American's want online media -- let's provide it to them in a lawful and controlled manner.

  5. DMCA safe harbor status by billcopc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know all of these services, but doesn't the DMCA's safe harbor provision exempt them from this sort of witch hunt prosecution, as long as DMCA reports are handled in a timely manner ? You could receive a thousand such reports a day, as long as you promptly take down the content (or challenge false claims), you're supposed to be in the clear, as far as the law is concerned.

    I've received such complaints in the past, when one of my hosting clients had their site compromised and was used as a warez drop. I fixed the problem, nuked the offending files and never heard of it again. Given that I'm currently in the process of setting up such a file host (no payments though), I'm a bit concerned about this legal abuse. Youtube allows user uploads, and honors DMCA takedowns, and they seem to be doing just fine. Both sites are hosting user-created content. Both have the potential to carry copyrighted material. Both generate ad revenue from their traffic. What makes a filehost any different ?

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    1. Re:DMCA safe harbor status by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's vague enough for lawyers to argue over. The problem is that DMCA takedowns are of limited effectiveness in such a dynamic environment: Take one down, someone will upload a new one in a few seconds. The legal case against Megaupload hinged on a technicality: They took the files down on request, but didn't also take down duplicates of the same file uploaded by someone else, even though they could (as they used file-level dedupe) have done so trivially. It isn't entirely clear what the responsibilities of a service provider are any more: The DMCA doesn't get into the technical implications of hashlists, de-duplication, fingerprinting, the countermeasures against them or the countermeasures against the countermeasures. It was written on the assumption that publishing content would be a difficult and expensive task, so if you can get it pulled down you've seriously inconvenienced pirates. The whole model breaks when publishing a file is just a matter of uploading, which it really always was.

      The only way to actually stop piracy would be by passing new laws so draconian that I'd rather just see the entire copyright-driven industry destroyed than sacrifice that much freedom or hand so much power to those who can afford lawyers.

    2. Re:DMCA safe harbor status by Raenex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Probably more effective than you think. One of the things YouTube did was to give copyright holders the option to profit from advertisements on the video, so it's quite possible that they are up there with after-the-fact permission. Some of the songs on YouTube are actually official videos from the holders, in particular Vevo. I'm guessing the rest just don't care enough to have the videos taken down, as I've seen some of them up for years.

  6. Re:Thats great news. by rohan972 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Infringing copyright to consume and enjoy material someone else has produced is equivalent to "saving jews"? Dude.. you are fucked up in the head.

    The statement being replied to did not express the wrongness of copyright infringement, but of breaking the law. If the law is the basis on which you decide morality then it would seem you would have to conclude that saving Jews from Nazi persecution when they were in government was an immoral action since it was illegal. If you can't abide by that conclusion then you need a more thorough justification to claim that copyright infringement is wrong.

    An average high school student could be expected to understand that point without having it explained. I pity you, since either your intellect is insufficient to understand the point or your character is insufficient to require you to make an honest argument. Both are serious deficiencies.

    Why don't you hire an artist to produce content for you? Then you own it, you can do whatever with it, including sharing it with others for free.

    My wife is a musician and we are quite ok without locking the internet down. Recording artists from major labels now put their songs on youtube for free and still sell copies. Why they are still getting bent out of shape over file sharing is beyond me.

  7. Re:Thats great news. by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    MPAA may be full of shit, but at the same time it's annoying how anti-piracy comments always get robotically modded down in Slashdot. I just think it's good to look objectively at both sides of the coin.

    To reiterate what the previous response has already pointed out, the comments that get modded down are not flagged as trolls because they're anti-piracy, it's because they are actually trolls. The arguments they put forth almost invariably consist entirely of some combination of rhetorical exaggeration, false analogies, tautological question begging and unjustified moral indignation. They provide no reasoning, they're just pure flame bait.

    The main problem with the "anti-piracy" position is that there is almost nothing legitimate they can ask for that they do not already have. The existing laws go so far above and beyond what is reasonable to "fight piracy" that anyone arguing in favor of further extensions is inherently a dangerous extremist seemingly incapable of articulating a justifiable position. They advance an unsustainable framework of debate over which the only possible subject of compromise is the magnitude and timing of further increases in enforcement powers, rather than facilitating necessary and productive efforts to mitigate the outrageous damage already being caused by the legislation that their previous efforts have pushed through against all reason and justice.