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Here's What Facebook Sends the Cops In Response To a Subpoena

An anonymous reader writes "Facebook already shares its Law Enforcement Guidelines publicly, but we've never actually seen the data Menlo Park sends over to the cops when it gets a formal subpoena for your profile information. Now we know. This appears to be the first time we get to see what a Facebook account report looks like. The document was released by the The Boston Phoenix as part of a lengthy feature titled 'Hunting the Craigslist Killer,' which describes how an online investigation helped officials track down Philip Markoff. The man committed suicide, which meant the police didn't care if the Facebook document was published elsewhere, after robbing two women and murdering a third."

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  1. Feel bad for his girlfriend by danbuter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe they should have deleted his girlfriends name and location from this stuff, before publishing it to the net.

    1. Re:Feel bad for his girlfriend by Sir_Sri · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or really anyone he befriended on facebook.

      The girlfriend might have been basically screwed on the deal no matter what, since as his girlfriend some of her information might have been out there anyway.

      It does seem like the article in question is very perturbed by the way the police released the info though, and didn't sanitize everything, leaving reporters to do it, who may not have realized that people can be linked via their unique facebook id's in the URL string etc. I suppose that's a good argument for an addendum to the facebook legal document pile, that if you release this information, the following other information should be redacted so as to not endanger the privacy of people not covered by the existing request.

    2. Re:Feel bad for his girlfriend by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you friend somebody you make that information public, it's how social networks, you know, network socially. They're presenting that information in an unpleasant context, yes, but it's still public.

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    3. Re:Feel bad for his girlfriend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      unless, of course, you set your privacy to 'friends only'. anyone getting information beyond that is still a breech.

    4. Re:Feel bad for his girlfriend by tbird81 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not if your friend essentially releases that information (by committing crimes, then committing suicide). You've got to chose your friends well - even your Facebook friends.

      I've got a screenshot of Clayton Weatherston's Facebook main page. He's a narcissistic economics tutor who stabbed his girlfriend to death and her mother tried to get into the room - on his birthday.

      The year afterwards, there were still people wishing him happy birthday, oblivious to the fact that this guy was in police custody awaiting trial for a very well publicised and terrible murder. That's what Facebook friends are like.

      There were two med students I knew who still had him friended - they didn't even know how they knew him. They were clueless that their name was associated with one of the most hated people in NZ.

  2. Direct link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/105727/fb-subpoena-db/index.html

  3. Unclear antecedents are dangerous! by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The man committed suicide, which meant the police didn't care if the Facebook document was published elsewhere, after robbing two women and murdering a third."

    Indeed, if the cops are going around robbing and murdering, why should any of us worry about a Facebook profile?

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    1. Re:Unclear antecedents are dangerous! by colinrichardday · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, clearly it was the Facebook document that robbed two women and murdered a third.

    2. Re:Unclear antecedents are dangerous! by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On a serious not, I think it is worrisome that the police did not care. To me even a convicted criminal has rights to privacy. I understand that many people say that as soon as a person is convicted (I am not even talking mugshots of arrested people) they should lose all their rights.

      I hold myself to higher standards and will defend the privacy rights of everybody, including the worst mass murders and my ex-girlfriend.

      If nothing else because of the "First they came for the criminals ..." slippery-slope.

      If I want to defend MY privacy, it means I must respect YOURS as well. The moment I get an excuse not to respect yours (e.g. you are a convicted killer) you will find an excuse not to respect mine.

      The fact that my phone-number is in the phone-book does not mean you can write it on the wall in the mens-room.

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  4. What does slashdot provide... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    to a formal subpoena?

    1. Re:What does slashdot provide... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      What does slashdot provide...

      1x Bag of Hot-Grits
      1x stained 1979 signed photo of Natalie Portman
      2x pairs of Cmdr Tacos underpants (slightly soiled but usable)
      2x bags of Pickled Onion Chips (crushed)
      1x Copy of Linux for n00bz (2nd edition)
      1x Pony (pink natch)
      1x ????
      1x PROFIT !!

  5. Private Messages by Celexi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is it just me, but it doesn't include private messages? or is it because there were none?

    1. Re:Private Messages by rgbrenner · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Is this the same data people get when the request a DVD (under EU laws)? Because if it is, then I'm having a hard time imagining what the problem is... It's basically everything the user has posted on the site + their IP address/last login.

      Were people really surprised that the stuff they stored on Facebook was stored on Facebook?

  6. Re:Buttholes! Buttholes! Buttholes! Levodopa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is the best argument for browsing at -1 that I have ever seen. Even though it looks like it's machine-generated nonsense, it's still one of the best comments ever made on Slashdot.

  7. Re:Buttholes! Buttholes! Buttholes! Levodopa! by EdIII · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is the best argument for browsing at -1 that I have ever seen. Even though it looks like it's machine-generated nonsense, it's still one of the best comments ever made on Slashdot.

    I wholly agree. It reminds me of Vogon poetry. Butthole is used throughout, quite successfully, as a lubricant for the deep prose sprinkled about. Without it, I believe it would make much less sense. While the statement that "God is a dog's anus farting loudly" was quite provocative as a commentary on the meaning of life, it derailed rather quickly with the nonsequiter introduction of a catfish arriving at noon of all times....

    Not the work of a true Vogon master, but I sense much potential.

  8. Re:account by jonbryce · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you read the Boston Phoenix article, it was actually the IP address he used to sign up for his throwaway hotmail account, followed by the street address associated with that from Comcast that identified him. Then they did further field work to establish that it was him, and not a neighbour or passer-by who had hacked into his wifi network. The Facebook profile in this case didn't produce any useful information.

  9. Re:The last thing they would care about by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Allegedly. Innocent until proven guilty.

    If you're not a lawyer, a judge, or a juror, you have no obligation to maintain an artificial neutrality with regards to someone's guilt or innocence.

    Innocent in the eyes of the law != innocent.

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  10. Re:The last thing they would care about by tbird81 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Very true. I wish people would stop believing that a court's decision is always correct. People escape conviction all the time.

  11. Re:The last thing they would care about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is true, but popular opinion is unlikely to be more correct than the courts, since they don't even have all the information available to them.

    If a man is found innocent in court but is treated as guilty by society, then what's the point of even having a trial?

  12. Re:Buttholes! Buttholes! Buttholes! Levodopa! by Reality+Master+301 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This calls for a new alternative mod point, "+1 Poetic"

  13. Re:The last thing they would care about by blackest_k · · Score: 4, Informative

    In normal circumstances, it is wise to proceed with caution before accusing somebody and generally the evidence isn't presented to be viewed by the general public.

    However in this case i am confident that the identification by one of the women robbed, the dead girls blood on his clothing the shell casings left at the murder scene that matched the gun found in his apartment along with the disposable phones he used for contacting the women ...

    The evidence is solid enough to be sure that he did in fact commit the crimes he was accused of. Plus there is no chance of being sued for deformation what with the guy having committed suicide while awaiting trial.

    There were a few interesting points made, while he used disposable phones to contact the women he also had his regular phone with him which tied him to the same cells used by the disposable phones at the same times which was useful in identifying him as a suspect. He also made the email account he used to contact the girl he murdered from his home ip address.

    The police nearly made a mess of things when they brought him in as after interviewing him there wasn't enough evidence to charge him, but luckily while he was in custody being questioned one of the women who was robbed identified him with absolute certainty which enabled the police to search his apartment and find the physical evidence. Without her identification of him they almost certainly would have had to let him go and give him the opportunity of disposing of the physical evidence.

    The facebook stuff is interesting in that it shows what information facebook holds about someone even after that information has been "deleted". However in this case nothing facebook released gave any evidence towards the criminal case.

    The guy was a medical student so it is reasonable to assume he was highly intelligent, he also seems to have had a gambling problem.

    His choice of who to rob was probably made on the basis he thought that the services these women offered was likely to mean they would have money from earlier clients and less likely to report a robbery. The article also mentioned he had a collection of women's underwear under his mattress so maybe it was more than just getting money to pay his debts.

    Did he rob other women who didn't report the crime?