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FBI Says American Universities Infiltrated by Spies

An anonymous reader writes, using various bits of the article: "While most international students, researchers and professors come to the U.S. for legitimate reasons, universities are an 'ideal place' for foreign intelligence services 'to find recruits, propose and nurture ideas, learn and even steal research data, or place trainees,' according to a 2011 FBI report. Tretyakov was quoted as saying, 'We often targeted academics because their job was to share knowledge and information by teaching it to others, and this made them less guarded than, say, UN diplomats.' China has 'lots of students who either are forced to or volunteer to collect information,' he said. 'I've heard it said, "If it wanted to steal a beach, Russia would send a forklift. China would send a thousand people who would pick up a grain of sand at a time."' China also has more than 3,000 front companies in the U.S. 'for the sole purpose of acquiring our technology,' said former CIA officer S. Eugene Poteat."

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  1. So it begins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The war on the academic sector. One more nail in our coffin.

    1. Re:So it begins by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Your last comment comment about China is interesting:

      The villain in the remake of Red Dawn was actually switched from China (realistic) to North Korea (ridiculous) in order to not upset China (and its movie audiences). I guess the producers figured that "vaguely Asian-looking" actors could just as easily be viewed by American audiences as Korean.

      There is "sand" involved here, though: heads are nestled deeply in it.

      It's interesting that you and the parent AC believe this is somehow a "war on the academic sector". There is indeed a war, but it's not coming from within. First, a backdrop, beginning with the fact that China is on track to exceed US military spending by 2025:

      Chinese Insider Offers Rare Glimpse of U.S.-China Frictions
      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/world/asia/chinese-insider-offers-rare-glimpse-of-us-china-frictions.html

      "The senior leadership of the Chinese government increasingly views the competition between the United States and China as a zero-sum game, with China the likely long-range winner if the American economy and domestic political system continue to stumble, according to an influential Chinese policy analyst. China views the United States as a declining power, but at the same time believes that Washington is trying to fight back to undermine, and even disrupt, the economic and military growth that point to China’s becoming the world’s most powerful country."

      Asia's balance of power: China’s military rise
      http://www.economist.com/node/21552212

      "NO MATTER how often China has emphasised the idea of a peaceful rise, the pace and nature of its military modernisation inevitably cause alarm. As America and the big European powers reduce their defence spending, China looks likely to maintain the past decade’s increases of about 12% a year. Even though its defence budget is less than a quarter the size of America’s today, China’s generals are ambitious. The country is on course to become the world’s largest military spender in just 20 years or so."

      China’s military rise: The dragon’s new teeth
      http://www.economist.com/node/21552193

      And now on to what's happening every day in US academic and business environments:

      How China Steals Our Secrets
      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/opinion/how-china-steals-our-secrets.html

      China's Cyber Thievery Is National Policy—And Must Be Challenged
      http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052970203718504577178832338032176-lMyQjAxMTAyMDAwOTEwNDkyWj.html

      FBI Traces Trail of Spy Ring to China
      http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052970203961204577266892884130620-lMyQjAxMTAyMDAwNzEwNDcyWj.html

      NSA: China is Destroying U.S. Economy Via Security Hacks
      http://www.dailytech.com/NSA+China+is+Destroying+US+Economy+Via+Security+Hacks/article24328.htm

      Former cybersecurity czar: Every major U.S. company has been hacked by China
      http://www.itworld.com/security/262616/former-cybersecurity-czar-every-major-us-company-has-been-hacked-china

      China Att

    2. Re:So it begins by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Educated is dangerous for two reasons.

      1 - the more educated you are the more capable of making BOMBS you are. This educated people who have degrees in science are dangerous.

      2 - the more educated you are the greater resistance to the propaganda bullshit that we need the TSA, Homeland security and the PATRIOT ACT. And that is the most dangerous of them all. Someone that can see through bullshit and think for themselves.

      WE need to round these people up and put them in concentration camps to keep society safe.

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    3. Re:So it begins by BLKMGK · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You missed this one http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/3319656

      3 years old and as pertinent as ever. I know someone who works in a manufacturing sector for highly specialized parts, China is a customer. It was VERY interesting that they sent a team of 10 to visit their plant to "inspect" and were quite pissed when they weren't given free reign to look around and were only allowed to inspect product in a sanitary room....

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    4. Re:So it begins by c0lo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As ugly and imperfect as the US may be, don't you think its principles and ideals and those of its allies are worth protecting?

      Yes, with a single condition... that US upholds those ideals and principles and not trample them down... The end does NOT justify the means, especially when the means run contrary to the ends.

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    5. Re:So it begins by DesScorp · · Score: 5, Informative

      The war on the academic sector. One more nail in our coffin.

      You speak as if this is ridiculous, unprecedented, or illogical. But the Soviets did this for years, poking around in colleges looking for kids ripe for their cause. Take youthful rebellion, gather those youths in a place where that rebellion is nurtured and encouraged, and it's a perfect recipe to recruit. And we're talking about people that are young enough to be angry but not old enough to be worldly or wise, smart and capable and yet putty in the hands of those that know what they're doing. Perfect place to find passionate recruits ready to fight "the system".

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    6. Re:So it begins by DesScorp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The simple facts:

      China has more people than the USA
      China has more raw materiel than the USA
      China has more money than the USA
      China has more academics than the USA

      This is a no win situation, unless you are China

      China does not have more money than the US. They're not even the number one economy yet (though they're projected by some to be so by 2016). Also, China has a huge problem. While they've made great strides in bettering their economy, out of their 1+ billion people, the vast majority are still poor. I mean really poor, not American Poor with cable TV, cell phones, free school lunch for the kids, and two cars. There's beginning to be some problems with envy among their rural populace. And China has some financial issues in the structure of their economy that could be quite catastrophic, at least in the long term. So yes, China is our biggest potential adversary, but things are not perfect in the Middle Kingdom either, and it's going to get very interesting there.

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  2. World Responds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Virtually all of us are infested with CIA. What's the problem?

    1. Re:World Responds by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a clear difference.

      The CIA are americans, thus inherently good.

      The chinese are:
      1 - far.
      2 - non white.
      3 - non americans.

      Thus, they are inherently bad. Now it's just a matter of finding out which kind of bad they are.

      Terrorists doesn't seem to match, they are way down on the "terrorist-brown scale". So it's obviously either druglords, or spies.

      This month we'll try "SPIES!". It it doesn't stick, we'll try "DRUGLORDS!" next month.

      As a last resort, it's always possible to go back to "COMMUNISTS!".

  3. The japanese by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Funny

    Meanwhile the Japanese would study the beach, then copy it, in miniature.

    The Brits would copy it but get all the good bits wrong and make the bad bits worse.

    The Australians would make a copy that is just better but they would never stop feeling inferior about it.

    The greeks would expect the rest of the world to pay for it.

    The saudies would just buy it and see nothing wrong with paying a fortune for sand.

    The Germans would dig a hole in it.

    The dutch wouldn't feel happy on it until they build a sand castle to protect against the tide.

    Apple would put it in a pretty box and sell it for a premium but you could only use it as Jobs intended.

    Have I insulted everyone yet? Not on topic? Oh come on, universities have always been a haven for spies and the recruitment of spies. Duh, where else to find information, underpaid people with lots of info and impressionable young minds looking for a cause?

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  4. OH MY GOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Foreigners are at an university to "nurture ideas" and to "learn"!! CALL THE FBI!!!

  5. People whine about outsourcing by guises · · Score: 5, Funny

    China also has more than 3,000 front companies in the U.S.

    See? That's what you call a job creator. Outsourcing works both ways.

  6. Re:Fifth columnist journalisim by FhnuZoag · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'd note that the 3k companies claim came not from the CIA, but from a guy who's retired from the CIA in the 90s, and was previously involved in - get this - the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

  7. Re:underestimated and decades late by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And the simple fact is i'm sure we do the same thing duh! Universities are where one often begins to question the way things are for the first time. You are a young adult, in some ways grown and others not, and many cling to idealism before that lovely jaded cynicism that so many of us have seeps in. Remember its a lot harder to recruit someone who just blindly accepts things at face value, easier when they begin to question why things are the way they are. I do find it ironic that the same things that help someone grow as a person can be labeled as "potentially subversive" depending on which flag you are waving.

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  8. S. Eugene Poteat is a serial bullshitter by FhnuZoag · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm 90% certain this 3000 front companies figure is going to appear in a ton of places now. But where the hell does it come from?

    Because S. Eugene Poteat is no longer a CIA agent. He's been out of the CIA for over 10 years. So how does he have access to privileged intel on Chinese intelligence activities? How on earth could he, a man whose intel career ended well before the start of this nonsense, know?

    The answer is, by my reckoning, he doesn't. It's just a made up statistic. And there's a pattern behind this guy's statements too: he's long been a proponent of the removal of accountability from the intel services.

    "Thirty years ago," he wrote, "the Church and Pike Committees bought into the KGB perception management campaigns to discredit American intelligence and proceeded to limit the activities of the intelligence community ..."

    Since the Church and Pike Committee hearings are probably not covered in high school history courses, let me remind younger readers that these were congressional committees convened to investigate egregious excesses by an intelligence community that had come to act with little or no external accountability.

    The agency' excesses included assassinations, coups detats, revolutionary and counter-revolutionary movements, covert action to influence the elections of friends and enemies alike, mind control experiments that sometimes led to murder, and other behaviors that caused lots of reasonable people to question the agency' unlimited freedom to act without transparency or accountability. The excesses were not about how they gathered intelligence so policies could be set. The excesses were about policies devised and executed in a black box.

    Poteat is saying that citizens concerned with that unrestrained behavior were deceived by the KGB.

    http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0316-27.htm

    There's a certain wing of the US who is pushing the intel agenda. By reproducing the cold war, they get more funding and the unlimited powers they always coveted. S. Eugene Poteat's proper title is 'Intellaine security company employee, and lobbyist for greater surveillance powers without civilian oversight'. Don't buy into their bullshit, unless they show their working.

  9. Re:underestimated and decades late by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, the Romans conquered Greece and stole all their academics wholesale. But Greece had the last laugh because all these academics captured by the Romans became tutors who raised the next generation of Roman elite to in the image of Greece. Roman mythology and culture became Greek in all but name only. History can repeat again. All these Chinese academics coached in USA go back with a lot more culture acclimatization than the stolen grains of sand. In the end China might become America in all but name.

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