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Why CISPA Is a Really Bad Bill
We've heard recently of CISPA, the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, a bill currently making its way through Congress that many are calling the latest incarnation of SOPA. Reader SolKeshNaranek points out an article at Techdirt explaining exactly why this bill is bad, and how its backers are trying to deflect criticism by using language that's different and rather vague. Quoting:
"The bill defines 'cybersecurity systems' and 'cyber threat information' as anything to do with protecting a network from: '(A) efforts to degrade, disrupt, or destroy such system or network; or (B) theft or misappropriation of private or government information, intellectual property, or personally identifiable information.' It's easy to see how that definition could be interpreted to include things that go way beyond network security — specifically, copyright policing systems at virtually any point along a network could easily qualify."
Why must we have overbearing, obsequious legislators whose only goals seem to be to annoy, obfuscate, and make dirty money? The power to expel a Congressman should extend to anyone in the US with at least a given number of supporters.
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CISPA is bad... mkay
Most laws are designed to increase the power of the federal government and reduce the honest citizens rights.
Laws don't apply to the criminals.
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http://intelligence.house.gov/bill/cyber-intelligence-sharing-and-protection-act-2011
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Feels like the gvmnt is trying to Brute Force these laws through.
SOPA ... PIPA ... ACTA ... COICA... and a bunch of other bills that haven't been officially introduced yet... H.R. 1981, S.978
Eventually one will slip through and become law.
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So, let's rope everything from anti-terrorism efforts to copyright infringement into the same, vaguely-defined bill, and then we can selectively prosecute whatever we want? Wonderful.
In my view the real power of SOPA was protection for those choosing to act in "good faith" as judge jury and executioner without the possibilty of civil recourse when this is abused.
No ISP is going to implement MPAA's wet dream if they know they will be successfully sued into oblivian the second it is switched on.
This is the same thing all over again.
Only the choice of words is different to appeal to the "security" boogyman this time around.
Or at least global social networks/mail providers/etc. What happens when (if?) other countries with some minimal respect for their citizens privacy (i.e. EU) put laws that forces companies to protect their citizens privacy?
It's like somewhere a bunch of congressmen and lobbyists got other and said:
"Wow, the internet has really been a force for global change. It empowers people to coordinate with each other and share information in a way never before possible. What can be do to put a stop to it?"
The corporate and government sectors are BOTH corrupt as hell.
Enough so that whenever they actually manage to agree on something, it's probably something bad for us small folks.
Rather how ex wives never like each other unless they both hate the husband.
This comes at the same time Sony announces a $6.4 billion loss. Im sure they will blame music piracy, yet Apple is making those same billions in profit during a GFC. Can anyone see that one business model is overtaking the other? - Sony obviously cant, and have missed the bus too.
I find tyranny a bit harder to swallow when it's "for the People"
After going to thomas.loc.gov and reading the text of the proposed law, it seems that it really is pretty harmless.'
Once you get past the scary definitions, what you have is a law that requires the government and "cybersecurity providers" to not make public any otherwise confidential material relevant to a security breach.
Plus it allows the government to share information it may have about "cybersecurity threats" with outsiders.
The only really interesting bit in the whole thing is that it uses "entity" a lot, and specifically defines it as NOT including "an individual".
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Those are just a list of companies that support Big Brother. AT&T illegal wiretaps, along with the other cellular companies. IBM's DOD support, along with the typical main defense contractors that control the US political agenda. These older corporations are near death, innovation-wise, but have a political foothold which they are attempting to maintain, to the point where it is unclear whether they control the government or the government controls them. Members of the list that are not present (but should be) include Google, GE, General Dynamics, Yahoo.... etc.
sOPA/PIPA failed because of the overwhelming outrage.
now they're trying to do it again, WORSE, with the help of corporations who will specifically benefit.
how is this not corrupt?
Even "paleoconservative" Alex Jones is firing up his followers against government internet surveillance legislation in the works. Here's an example from one of his sites that even made the Drudge Report last Saturday.
If only congressmen had moderators...
to address multiple issues, not the least of which is transgression against your freedom. while the arab spring fallout from wikileaks was an excellent goose for american foreign policy, the occupy movement has left a rank taste in the mouths of billionaires and the government has thus far run out of productive things to do with Bradley Manning, nude or clothed.
dont think of it as trampling your rights, think of it as pepperspray-prevention.
Good people go to bed earlier.
This bill amends the National Security Act of 1947 to include "(1) efforts to degrade, disrupt, or destroy such system or network; or (2) theft or misappropriation of private or government information, intellectual property, or personally identifiable information" as "cyber threat intelligence". This is important because amending the National Security Act makes "cyber threat intelligence" a product of the intelligence community. This is important because US persons have protections under Title 50 when included within intelligence products.
Basically it would make it unlawful to collect these products against a US person without a very serious warrant. Now say AT&T decides to cooperate with the government in this bill, they would become a "certified entities" and thus as a collection partner and would be subject to restrictions. IE it would be pretty impossible for say the RIAA to subpoena the intelligence that in reality can't even be collected without a warrant and even if it was and was done with a warrant it would have to be the AG acting on it. Basically, it turns your info into intelligence which makes it a very protected thing.
In reality this bill might make it significantly harder to monitor your communications and provide much larger penalties for doing so without a sufficient warrant. Basically it would make it unlawful to collect these products against a US person without a very serious warrant. Now say AT&T decides to cooperate with the government in this bill, they would become a "certified entities" and thus as a collection partner and would be subject to restrictions. IE it would be pretty impossible for say the RIAA to subpoena the intelligence that in reality can't even be collected without a warrant and even if it was and was done with a warrant it would have to be the AG acting on it. Basically, it turns your info into intelligence which makes it a very protected thing.
In reality this bill might make it significantly harder to monitor your communications and provide much larger penalties for doing so without a sufficient warrant.
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I am not a lawyer, I am not your lawyer, I might be a pound of chease.
Every single comment I post here lately has been labeled "Troll". Being a foreigner, I really should pack my things and start learning Japanese or German or even something more common -- like returning to French.
But alas, can't really see people with eyes blindfolded near big holes on the ground, despairing because they hear thunder approaching.
a) Change your system: it's not working. Counting elections by state winners only change democracy into a negotiation table. Happy the small state that can turn the tide (or not).
b) Instead of voting for a candidate, use a turn-based system to crop the ones nobody wants: vote for rejection and you'll end up with 2 average candidates everybody could accept (over here, Brazil, we have two turns).
c) Use the source: think why open source adapts to fast change, the advantages of meritocracy and dealing with constant negotiation -- then step up to free source. Freedom and transparency is what your founding fathers died for... it's not just an obligation to them -- think why someone would use such values after a war against tyranny. Do you think there's tyranny now?
d) The President needs help, it's too much to think he can go against the bad guys in society. He needs a stronger body to help him decide, so that influencing him doesn't pay off. Sorry, but not everyone can be Lincoln. And he was protected by his Army -- and even so someone managed to kill him.
e) Create a pro-Citizen climate. The way things are now corporations rule, but a stronger People representation would veto absurd projects like this one and return distributors to sound capitalism. How did that work in other countries. But if famine comes to be, remember to distribute bread, mmkay? Absolutely not any kind of cake...
If all comes to worse, let me say this: however dumb we think you are, we are neighbours. Just don't flood the condo and we'll be happy to help citizens, as we did in the past.
So if this bill is passed, won't it, "degrade, disrupt, or destroy" the Internet? Won't it therefore become illegal?
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Collection of data is neither theft or misappropriation. In addition, IP addresses are currently considered not personally identifiable so RIAA can still collect the data.
The official summary says this pertains to the protection of government intelligence information and the measures that are necessary to protect it. This is not about protecting movies from file sharers. The intelligence community is not thinking about movies. They're thinking about espionage.
So much talk for nothing. Check out the "Subject areas" on the Bill Overview. This is the context of that bill. Point your finger at the person(s) mixing the contexts, not the bill itself. I can understand why the content of the bill is so vague. It is because technology is changing all the time, they are lazy to change the text every week/month and need to describe generic moral/ethical rules to follow.
If you design a system for a particular function, you can't complain when it does that.
This system is carefully designed to channel money to politicians by giving those politicians a lot of power. Then the dynamic of 'money buys power' kicks in, and the politicians get the money.
If you don't like that, you have to go back to a minimum government. Minimum government was the system design that was meant to avoid this problem.
Powerful government == oligopoly, which is why everyone reading this is in the 99.99%.
Don't like that? Then take power from the government until the oligopoly is once again harmless.
I think people need to get a life rather than worry about some kind of esoteric "repercussions" of "wording" in a bill that hasn't even passed yet and even it it does it will have practically 0 chance of negatively affecting anyone who is not a lawbreaker.
No, you don't get it. We don't need another bad bill. We already have bad laws. These bad laws, and unconstitutional laws must be nullified, they are what are screwing everything up. Why send swat teams to milk farmers who haven't harmed anyone and not a thousand times as many swat teams after the banksters who have destroyed trillions and caused many to suffer needlessly and die?
In reality this bill might make it significantly harder to monitor your communications and provide much larger penalties for doing so without a sufficient warrant.
Utter Horse poop. Monitoring the communications is done by physical equipment, firmware and software, with a human interface with no public oversight.
Harkin, if they push to hard many like myself will just pull the plug. I ain't going to pay to be turned into a victim. Fuck domain costs, hosting costs, isp costs, antivirus costs, security costs, fuck all of it. There's no jobs anyway because of what the banksters and the UN has done with agenda 21 through our local city councils, city mayors, state governors, and more agencies than I can type acronyms for.
The US Constitution, has been nullified. That's the problem. Nothing is sustainable, cause nothing is predictable, cause nothing can be trusted, cause our officials are "oath of office breaking" pieces of shit.
Now if you want to change it and you actually understand the problem you have to fill that city hall with people each day out numbering the occupy movement, the regulars who suck up time whining about free this or free that. Only once in awhile do you get to hear a true person speak, and most people laugh and call them names like militia supremist or dangerous lone wolf domestic terrorist, when in reality they are as bold as Washington was in the year 1776, they are the ones who will find a way to have the entire city council arrested for corruption, deception, jurisdiction, misrepresentation, the logan act, racketeering and as many other scams and bullshit as you can possibly fucking imagine. You can tell how they speak cause they immediatly make it clear they do not recognize these ordinances and other crap which don't harm someone. Better learn this kind of law -- common law . I better learn it too, cause that's what we are headed for next. First these EDA, ICLEI, UN globalists need to be run out on a rail, then the US Constitution, and all our State Constitutions get restored, while the DHS/FEMA regions are no more. You won't hear sustainability agenda for region X, Y, Z has saddled the taxpayers with giant bills for crap they didn't even know about, or vote on, or agree to.
You want to know the future, look for someone called "Drake" there's a mp3 out there I think on blogspottalkspot or some such. You know how to search, go find it. That's what's going to happen. We need to re-learn common law to survive. I do at least. Have a nice day man, sorry your so confused. Hug your family close, cause that's more important than me or anything else these motherfuckers do.
You apparently interpret that as attempting to catch you stealing music...I interpret it as an attempt to stop the rampant theft of F-35 designs, satellite technology, and computer security tech by foreign nations.
But you go on with your paranoid self.
Which are the good laws? Laws good for you? What about laws good for other things, but not so good for you. What about laws which are good for me and bad for you? I make it a point to understand as much of the law as I have time for. There are always going to be laws, and they are always going to screw you if you don't take the time to understand them. Please go read something, spend a few hours on gov tracker if anything. I really recommend starting with the Titles, they make really good bed time reading.
The occupy movement is a bunch of idiots, should have protested ten years ago when they deregulated everything. I KNOW I DID. I remember standing in a part in downtown (Sorry, you don't get to know where I lived) with a sign showing “They are gonna fuck it up” written on one side, and "Osama != Iraq" on the other. That lasted all of 10 minutes. I still have the damn sign! Found it when I was moving a few months ago. Triggered one of those, "maybe its time I purge some of this carp". Anyway. the occupy lot isn't any better then the people they protest, only see what happened, never looking ahead to what is going to happen and trying to stop it. That lot only gives a flying crap about it self and it can't even get that right.
You know what I want to see, people protesting? The lack of regulations on corporate handling of personal information. Ya, not much has happened there yet, just you wait. But no, they protest their debt, “corporate greed”, and what not. I really don't get protesting how deep in the hole you are. Should have had the foresight to understand the damn loan was shit. Really, when did taking out a loan for 120% of the value become a good idea, or was it just the “free money”? No one gives out free money! Oh wait, I forgot – no foresight.
Corporations are greedy, fact of life. If you vote a bunch of corporate friendly politicians into office what do you think was going to happen. YOU VOTED, protest yourself.
Oh and while I'm on the subject of protesting one's self. If you vote in representatives which pass laws allowing people to shoot each other willy nilly its YOUR OWN FAULT when your kids get shot. Should have been paying attention to your government. But thats hard, it's much easer to just bitch when it all goes to shit and you didn't see it coming.
Maybe you should stop watching propaganda and spend some time learning. Whats, really good about that propaganda though. The fact that you can watch it and not get arrested. Welcome to America, but it only stays that way if you keep on top of it and take the time to understand what the hell is going on.
Next time, before you decide to go all righteous fury, take the time to figure out if your right.
NOTE: I understand the use of pronouns might be confusing, however when I use "you" I am not directly speaking about You, more the general youes.
Double NOTE: Writing in a condescending tone is not a good way to convince someone to do anything, it does however make one's self fell better about what they are saying. I know I felt better writing this note!
> He needs a stronger body to help him decide
I meant to suggest some kind of distributed decision process, I'm not talking about one person's body or bodyguards. As you can see English really isn't my forte.