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Judge Grudgingly Awards $3.6 Million In DRM Circumvention Case

Fluffeh writes "The case involves an online game, MapleStory, and some people who set up an alternate server, UMaple, allowing users to play the game with the official game client, but without logging into the official MapleStory servers. In this case, the people behind UMaple apparently ignored the lawsuit, leading to a default judgment. Although annoyed with MapleStory (The Judge knocked down a request for $68,764.23 — in profits made by UMaple — down to just $398.98), the law states a minimum of $200 per infringement. Multiply that by 17,938 users of UMaple... and you get $3.6 million. In fact, it sounds like the court would very much like to decrease the amount, but notes that 'nevertheless, the court is powerless to deviate from the DMCA's statutory minimum.' Eric Goldman also has some further op-ed and information regarding the case and judgement."

227 comments

  1. Seems partly justified by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    UMaple users can play MapleStory (using the MapleStory client software) without ever touching MapleStory's servers. UMaple then solicits "donations" that lead to enhanced privileges in the UMaple environment.

    In this case some penalty does seem justified
    UMaple was after all making money from software written by MapleStory, without their permission

    1. Re:Seems partly justified by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      I want to hear the followup: is any portion of the default judgement ever collected, or does the judgement just amount to a Cease and Desist?

    2. Re:Seems partly justified by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      I agree, but not to the tune of 3.6 million dollars either, and I think the Judge understands that.

      I hope UMaple appeals the ruling to try to reduce costs down.

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    3. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There exists no philosophical or economic theories that provide support for the concept of intellectual property. So it is unjustified, always.

    4. Re:Seems partly justified by jholyhead · · Score: 2

      You're kidding, right? There is absolutely no reason to believe that the money people donated to UMaple would have otherwise been spent with MapleStory. MapleStory probably made money as a result of UMaple existing as it drew people into the community. When the judge making the finding is incredulous at the awards he is being forced to hand down, you know things have gotten out of hand.

    5. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just it...

      In fact, it sounds like the court would very much like to decrease the amount, but notes that 'nevertheless, the court is powerless to deviate from the DMCA's statutory minimum.'

      The judge's hands are tied here by the law.

    6. Re:Seems partly justified by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is absolutely no reason to believe that the money people donated to UMaple would have otherwise been spent with MapleStory.

      I'm not talking about a potential loss of revenue for MapleStory, I'm talking about the gain in revenue for UMaple
      Kind of like the difference between downloading a movie off TPB and selling copies of the movie for a profit
      And, yeah, the penalty does seem excessive.As I said, "partly" justified

    7. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha ...arent apple doing the same ? :)

    8. Re:Seems partly justified by nhat11 · · Score: 0

      The private servers are not as popular as the official servers, but the more used private servers always make money and thats more than their server upkeep.

    9. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this case I wouldn't consider it to mean much that the Judge doesn't like the award. The defendants opted not to respond to the lawsuit which means that the Judge had to enter a default judgment and as soon as the plaintiffs asked for statutory damages which limited what the judge could do.

      At this level the judge isn't able to do anything else, one of the appellate courts could do something about it, but I doubt they will.

    10. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, it's amazing that the concept has existed for hundreds of years without any philosophical or economic theories backing it up, then.

    11. Re:Seems partly justified by Lucky_Norseman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "minimum of $200 per infringement" why is the $200 multiplied by the number of clients? Its the server that they claim is infringing, why not just $200 per server?

    12. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not talking about a potential loss of revenue for MapleStory

      Then why does it even matter?

      Kind of like the difference between downloading a movie off TPB and selling copies of the movie for a profit

      I don't see much of a difference, to be honest. I've seen some pirates who whine about the latter but defend the former, and that, to me, makes no sense. The end result is the same (copied without permission, may or may not have lost potential profit, etc).

    13. Re:Seems partly justified by The-Forge · · Score: 2

      But if you take that logic to it's extreme you wind up with Microsoft or Google suing the whole net because you're using their intellectual property (the browser) to access a services other than a Microsoft or Google one without getting their permission and making money. I know this thought will never happen, but it's still a extension of the logic.

      Back to the crux of this though, The UMaple people clean room reverse engineered the MapleStory server to run a completely separate environment. There was no true profit, it looks like they were getting donations to keep it running. I just can't see the DMCA circumvention here, but I believe Blizzard used this same threat against some users a few years ago who were trying to reverse engineer the WoW server.

      It's all out of control. Adapt or die has become adapt or litigate and heading towards litigate or litigate. Shakespeare was right.

    14. Re:Seems partly justified by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just another example of why mandatory minimum sentences make absolutely zero sense in any way, whether financial or in the way of jail time.

    15. Re:Seems partly justified by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Oh no! Not making money without asking permission!

      Why should someone who runs a server have to get the permission of whoever wrote the client?

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    16. Re:Seems partly justified by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2

      If it were collectible, it would be quite noteworthy as one of the biggest anti-circumvention awards of all time. But, it's not collectible.

      The linked op-ed doesn't say why.

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    17. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I didn't actually read the article, so take this with a grain of salt, but my suspicion is going to be because they distributed a modified game client that allowed people to connect to their server. Each modified client download was probably read as a separate violation of the DMCA circumvention clause.

    18. Re:Seems partly justified by leonardluen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      of course i am not a lawyer...but i think a good lawyer could get the amount reduced. They would argue that there was only 1 infringement, not 17k. they only made 1 copy on their server and so should only owe $200, they did not make a copy for each user that connected, which the fine amounts to.

    19. Re:Seems partly justified by jimshatt · · Score: 1

      I hope they didn't count me, since I play on UMaple with telnet! (Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Maplix is.)

    20. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because no one bothered to show up to defend it...

    21. Re:Seems partly justified by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only hundreds of years of patent and copyright protection.

      But this is a case of unauthorized intrusion not copyright violation.

    22. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, 'cause Microsoft deserves money from Google (it's possible to use gmail instead of the indended hotmail.com with outlook).

    23. Re:Seems partly justified by TheCRAIGGERS · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it were collectible, it would be quite noteworthy as one of the biggest anti-circumvention awards of all time. But, it's not collectible.

      The linked op-ed doesn't say why.

      This is pure conjecture on my part, but my assumption is that the creators and the servers it runs on live outside the US, which is also the reason they ignored the lawsuit. Just like TPB happily ignoring (and proudly displaying) all the various nastygrams sent from US lawyers over the years.

    24. Re:Seems partly justified by Asic+Eng · · Score: 3, Insightful

      UMaple was after all making money from software written by MapleStory, without their permission

      So what? If the users legally obtained the software, they don't owe MapleStory any further income.

      ObCarAnalogy: If you buy a car you don't need to have it serviced by the manufacturer, you don't need to buy fuel from them and you can get your tires elsewhere.

    25. Re:Seems partly justified by c · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Its the server that they claim is infringing, why not just $200 per server?

      Because the plaintiff's goal is to maximize the damages. It was a default judgement, so the defendent didn't show up to do anything to minimize anything.

      If there'd been an actual trial with both parties, there's a good chance that the judge might have bought that argument. Or the argument that it was the actual users who did the circumvention. Or, IIRC, there's an exception for compatibility purposes. Plenty of options.

      There could be an appeal. Or, if UMaple doesn't have much in the way of assets, they might just declare bankruptcy and walk away from the whole thing. That'd probably be the smart move.

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    26. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Care to quote where either Google or Microsoft claim that their browsers are only to access their sites? If not, you're a troll.

    27. Re:Seems partly justified by nschubach · · Score: 1

      So, I have a question for you. If someone writes an Exchange server by reverse engineering the protocols that Outlook connects to and interfaces with... and someone pays for access to that server... the people that wrote the server should have to pay Microsoft because Microsoft wrote the Outlook Client?

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    28. Re:Seems partly justified by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      So slashdot should also be penalized, right? They solicit payments that leads to enhanced privileges: http://slashdot.org/faq/subscriptions.shtml

      And I'm pretty sure they didn't get permission from Microsoft and Mozzila and Google and Opera and Apple and all the other web browser producers whose software their users use to access slashdot.

      In fact I know they didn't since I just accessed slashdot with a web browser I just wrote and they certainly never got my permission.

    29. Re:Seems partly justified by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Grr. This is a pet peeve of mine.

      I'm not talking about a potential loss of revenue for MapleStory, I'm talking about the gain in revenue for UMaple
      Kind of like the difference between downloading a movie off TPB and selling copies of the movie for a profit

      Copyright law is supposed to protect the artist, not stop people from making a profit. The problem is that the people who have the artistic talent are not seeing results for their hard work, not that someone else is making money. You have to remember that the wrongdoing is against the artist. What harm does the money do to the artist, over giving it away for free? About the only difference I can see is that the giving away for free simply saturates the market more with the illegitimate goods, since more people would take it. But for some reason (latent jealousy is about the only reason I can come up with), making money is frowned upon, and even though we don't prosecute it, it somehow makes every crime worse.

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    30. Re:Seems partly justified by nschubach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's more like someone writing a web server that works great with Chrome or some Chrome features and creating a website that they charge access to get to...

      Now, is it appropriate for Google to go after that company because they are making money?

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    31. Re:Seems partly justified by bjourne · · Score: 1

      Is that a rhetorical question? The answer is because that is the way the law (DMCA) is written.

    32. Re:Seems partly justified by JackieBrown · · Score: 0

      That's just it...

      In fact, it sounds like the court would very much like to decrease the amount, but notes that 'nevertheless, the court is powerless to deviate from the DMCA's statutory minimum.'

      The judge's hands are tied here by the law.

      But the minimum is 200 not 398.98 so the judge could have decreased it again by almost half. As it is, it just seems like the political cop out "I don't like this bill that I am signing and supporting..."

    33. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean Outlook is "intended" to use hotmail.com...
      Firstly, Outlook is a client that can use anything, however it's mainly designed to take advantage of Exchange servers. Hotmail, Gmail et al use SMTP or POP3 for the explicit ability to let you use ANY client you want.
      MapleStory doesn't. It's a game. The connection details and data sent from the client would have been sniffed and reverse engineered *without permission*. The server software written from scratch or somehow copied.

      Anonymous coward my arse. Anonymous numpty more like.

    34. Re:Seems partly justified by ByzantineAlex · · Score: 1

      Not at all. It's more like someone using parts of google's code and charging for it !

    35. Re:Seems partly justified by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      If
      a) The protocols were proprietary and not open protocols(IDK if Exchange uses IMAP,etc or some proprietary stuff)
      AND
      b)The Outlook client was free with an implied understanding that it would be used with an Exchange server, instead of being sold as a separate piece of software
      Then probably yes

    36. Re:Seems partly justified by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      If those companies owned HTTP, then sure
      Or, if the intent of IE,Firefox,etc was to access only their manufacturers websites

    37. Re:Seems partly justified by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      The OP said that the fact that UMaple makes money without first getting the permission of MapleStory is inherently bad. The law is not the definition of "good" or "bad," so I am simply asking for justification for that position. Why should someone who runs a server, who is providing a service to willing customers, first have to get the permission of the people who wrote a client that can connect to that server?

      The fact that the law says they are supposed to do such a thing is not relevant; the law is nothing but lobbyist-created garbage, it has no ethical basis.

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    38. Re:Seems partly justified by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      The users bought the software and used it as they saw fit, on a competitors server. Why should anyone need permission from MapleStory to use a product they've already paid for.

      Judgement or not, I hope they never collect a dime.

    39. Re:Seems partly justified by nschubach · · Score: 1

      Is there proof or evidence that UMaple is using Maple Story code? Does UMaple post the Maple Story client for download without permission?

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    40. Re:Seems partly justified by nschubach · · Score: 2

      a.) Reverse engineering (clean room style) a protocol is not illegal or forbidden (see Wine)
      b.) I see no reason that this point is the responsibility of the people who wrote the server. Maybe the person running the client is violating the intent of the application, but it's not in any way the fault of the server software.

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    41. Re:Seems partly justified by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      I agree that a penalty is justified, but 3.5 million is certainly not justified. I don't even think several thousand is justified. It's a sad day when even the judge even agrees but our laws are so screwed up that he's forced to accept it. I am curious why the $200 penalty was multiplied by the user count, though. If it's a server, wouldn't that be a single infraction?

      As for what UMaple actually made, I find it hard to look down on them too hard. Only some odd $400 in AdSense revenue? I doubt their actual donations were that much higher with such a low user base, regardless of earning "enhanced privileges."

    42. Re:Seems partly justified by The-Forge · · Score: 1

      They don't, it's just taking Nexon's argument to the extremes. Things such as that are governed by the EULAs, which still begs the question, does a EULA violation constitute a DMCA circumvention. Did UStory break a DRM lock that's not being mentioned?

    43. Re:Seems partly justified by Megane · · Score: 1

      Back to the crux of this though, The UMaple people clean room reverse engineered the MapleStory server to run a completely separate environment.

      Too bad they didn't show up in court to make that argument.

      The lesson here: if someone is suing you for a (potentially) large amount, don't ignore it. Default judgments will never be in favor of the side that didn't show up.

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    44. Re:Seems partly justified by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah but since they aren't in the USA (and most likely in some place that don't give a shit about the USA, like Russia or some parts of Asia) then it doesn't matter if he makes it $50 or a bazillion as nothing is gonna happen.

      Of course this is why the entire copyright idea doesn't really work because thanks to the internet being global all one has to do is set up in a country with laws favorable to doing whatever you want (or with officials easily bribed) and then all that draconian copyright laws are worth exactly jack and squat. Not saying they should have the right to snatch anybody else's code, but the only way you can treat something that can be copied instantly and at no cost as a scarce resource is if everybody plays along and its obvious that will never be the case.

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    45. Re:Seems partly justified by Paradigma11 · · Score: 1

      UMaple users can play MapleStory (using the MapleStory client software) without ever touching MapleStory's servers. UMaple then solicits "donations" that lead to enhanced privileges in the UMaple environment.

      In this case some penalty does seem justified
      UMaple was after all making money from software written by MapleStory, without their permission

      Why should the producers of MapleStory care if the infringer makes any money from it?

    46. Re:Seems partly justified by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      A sold copy IS a lost sale. A free copy isn't.

    47. Re:Seems partly justified by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      The article says the customer could use the official client to connect, doesn't sound like they distributed a modified copy of the client.

    48. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, if UMaple doesn't have much in the way of assets, they might just declare bankruptcy and walk away from the whole thing. That'd probably be the smart move.

      Ignoring a lawsuit and getting a default judgment against your company is probably not going to be seen as a corporate executive acting like a corporate executive. I would think that the corporate veil is easily pierced and the plaintiff can go after the people personally.

    49. Re:Seems partly justified by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, you missed the lesson.

      The lesson here: If you're being sued in a US court and you're not a US company, ignore it because you won't have to pay for it. And the US company will still have to pay it's lawyers while looking idiotic.

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    50. Re:Seems partly justified by Motard · · Score: 1

      Or, pehaps, *any* lawyer. But there was no defense *at all*.

    51. Re:Seems partly justified by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      law, -s: Rule created to protect those that create them.
      criminal, -s: Someone who cannot first change a law to make his actions legal.

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    52. Re:Seems partly justified by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Grr. This is a pet peeve of mine.

      I'm not talking about a potential loss of revenue for MapleStory, I'm talking about the gain in revenue for UMaple Kind of like the difference between downloading a movie off TPB and selling copies of the movie for a profit

      Copyright law is supposed to protect the artist, not stop people from making a profit. The problem is that the people who have the artistic talent are not seeing results for their hard work, not that someone else is making money. You have to remember that the wrongdoing is against the artist. What harm does the money do to the artist, over giving it away for free? About the only difference I can see is that the giving away for free simply saturates the market more with the illegitimate goods, since more people would take it. But for some reason (latent jealousy is about the only reason I can come up with), making money is frowned upon, and even though we don't prosecute it, it somehow makes every crime worse.

      That's definitely a problem, but not the one at issue here. I'd say that problem has to do with the contracts artists enter into with big companies to sell their work for them. In this case the artist (or developer) was already paid the pittance they agreed to write the software for I'm quite sure.

    53. Re:Seems partly justified by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You are not entitled to suing just because your business model of bait and switch failed.

      Or, actually... it seems you are...

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    54. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regardless, the law is "per infringment." Each client is representative of an act of infringement. Saying the server only violated once is silly and an extremely obtuse interpreation.

    55. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you figure that?

      if I make one photocopy of a popular book, that's one infringement. If I have that photocopy laminated and leave it chained to a public bench where a large number of people read it does that make it more infringements?

    56. Re:Seems partly justified by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Plaintiff is registered in Delaware, judgement is in California - it's a fair bet the defendants live there.

      Of course, getting a judgement and collecting on it aren't the same thing.

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    57. Re:Seems partly justified by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      First, copyrights and patents are NOT ownership (especially patents, they only last 20 years). I don't own the stories I write, I merely have a "limited" time monopoly on their publications. They're not my property. For the MAFIAA to call stories and songs their "property" is theft of culture.

      Second, it is copyright violation and not unauthorized intrusion. The DMCA stands for digital millineum copyright Act. They violated DMCA by breaking the game's encryption to run it on their own servers. They didn't break into the copyright holder's servers.

    58. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The logic probably works like this.

      If users didn't pay for the enhanced privileges on UMaple, then they may not have been willing to pay money to begin with for the game so while MapleStory may feel ripped off for developing the client software for no gain, they haven't actually lost potential income. If the user did pay for anything (even things that the real MapleStory doesn't have), then that is money that otherwise may otherwise have gone to MapleStory to buy items in game.

    59. Re:Seems partly justified by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Both are arguable.

      But that's irrelevant since neither of them are in the original claim the bredth of which is all I was disputing.

    60. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously have to modify it somehow to get it to connect to something that isn't the official server (I doubt they are having each user edit their host file). Either some script was run to alter the official game client, or more likely (since they probably couldn't keep client/server patch compatibility otherwise) they were distributing slightly modified versions of the official game client. Either way, it could be construed as a long series of DMCA circumventions.

    61. Re:Seems partly justified by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Because it wasn't just a server. They had to run an app on every client as well:

      UMaples' client, the "UMaple Launcher," allegedly bypassed the access controls in MapleStory's client software

    62. Re:Seems partly justified by portnoy · · Score: 2

      But the minimum is 200 not 398.98 so the judge could have decreased it again by almost half. As it is, it just seems like the political cop out "I don't like this bill that I am signing and supporting..."

      You're confusing two things here. $398.98 is the amount the judge granted as "disgorged profits" -- in other words, money that UMaple directly made off of MapleStory's work. In this case, it's only the amount of money they made from AdSense revenue.

      But that's separate from the copyright infringment. The infringement penalties have nothing to do with any money that UMaple made; it's just a statutory penalty with mandatory minimums for each copy. That's where the minimums come in.

    63. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation needed. Show me a legal case where copyright was described as not property. For one thing, without copyright, how could you sell the right to publication? That right is, well, property that you can sell. But you're a libertardian moron, so there's no use arguing with you...

    64. Re:Seems partly justified by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Informative

      Copyright law is supposed to protect the artist, not stop people from making a profit.

      Ok, say you make a CD and put it up for sale. Someone buys a copy and burns a copy of his copy for his friend, who has never heard of you. You have lost nothing. If his friend likes your CD he's likely to buy a copy of your next one and you earn even more. Now, if your customer sells a copy of his copy to his friend, that's money that should have gone to you, but didn't.

      Now, if you sell a copy of your work for five bucks and he turns around and resells his legitimate copy for ten, he's made five bucks but that's perfectly reasonable. You sold him that copy and he now owns it, and if he can sell it at a profit he's free to.

    65. Re:Seems partly justified by Exit_On_Right · · Score: 2

      While I would agree that the term "ownership" seems inappropriate to an intangible, the net effect of controlling the publication amounts to the same thing. As the entity who controls the publication of a story, you can limit who reads it, or even prevent everyone from reading it. From that perspective, you "own" it to the extent that it may as well be a diamond locked in a safe - no one can see it or use it unless you open the safe door and allow them access.

      For an entity who has essentially "locked their story in a safe" (even if it is a safe that allows a select group of participants access), the act of having someone else access that story without permission would feel very much like theft. At the very least it would feel like a violation of some sort and the victim would be right in requesting assistance in preventing it from happening again and in punishing the violators. Is it right to call the story property? Likely not, but it may be the closest we can come to something the layperson will understand and properly identify as wrong.

      That is, of course, assuming you don't believe that all creative work shouldn't become public domain the instant it is created. But that's a whole other argument.

    66. Re:Seems partly justified by The+Empiricist · · Score: 2

      The lesson here: If you're being sued in a US court and you're not a US company, ignore it because you won't have to pay for it. And the US company will still have to pay it's lawyers while looking idiotic.

      This is bad advice. If you are being sued, you should consult with an attorney to determine what you should do. Doing nothing may very well be the best course of action, depending on the situation. But you shouldn't assume that you won't have to pay. A sufficiently motivated plaintiff can seek out foreign counsel to argue the case for enforcing the foreign judgment. The plaintiff may face an uphill battle (assuming you bother to show up when the fight has been brought to your front door), but it is possible that the foreign judgment will be enforced. Enforcement of Judgments.

    67. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the app wasn't MapleStory's code - so no infringement.
      And the fact that they reverse engineered the server component to allow the clients to connect isn't infringement either.

      Again, this judgement was only due to default. Had the defendants shown up, it would have been thrown out.

    68. Re:Seems partly justified by aztektum · · Score: 1

      How so? MapleStory is free to play, AFAIK. They give the client away. So there is no money to be made from the client itself.

      Did UMaple break into MapleStory's servers and steal their server code? I find no evidence of it.

      Are we under an obligation to use a free software client only to access the servers the company says?

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    69. Re:Seems partly justified by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Ok, say you make a CD and put it up for sale. Someone buys a copy and burns a copy of his copy for his friend, who has never heard of you. You have lost nothing. If his friend likes your CD he's likely to buy a copy of your next one and you earn even more. Now, if your customer sells a copy of his copy to his friend, that's money that should have gone to you, but didn't.

      I don't understand how I've suddenly lost more when someone who hasn't (yet) heard of me paid money for a copy than if they'd taken it for free. Either way, the money should have gone to me. What do I care in which pirate's lap the money lands? Whether it's the person who provided the copy, or the person who took it, it's still money I deserve, and in either case, the injustice is that it's not in my bank account.

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    70. Re:Seems partly justified by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      There is a higher probability of someone who pays for a pirated copy to pay for an original copy as compared to someone who gets the pirated copy for free
      Regional pricing has (not very significantly, but noticeably) affected the pirated game market in India for example

    71. Re:Seems partly justified by leonardluen · · Score: 1

      that is still arguably only 2 infringements, one for the server, and one for the modified client...so we are up to $400, and probably a cease and desist order.

      it doesn't really matter how many people downloaded it, they are the ones infringing, not UMaple, if they want the rest of the 3.6 million they should have to go after the people running the clients.

    72. Re:Seems partly justified by geekoid · · Score: 1

      NO. the wrong doing is to who has the rights. artists are free to give or sell the rights away.
      Copyright protects the whoever as the legal rights.

      Unless you are saying artists don't have the right to enter into contract agreements.

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    73. Re:Seems partly justified by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      Is it bait and switch if the bait is essentially free?

    74. Re:Seems partly justified by geekoid · · Score: 1

      If I buy your CD. The resell it at a profit, in no way to you deserve that money.
      If I make copies and swell those, then I have violated copyright law...but that still doesn't mean you 'deserved' that money.

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    75. Re:Seems partly justified by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not true.

      Someone getting a copy for free that they otherwise wouldn't have bought is not a lost sale.
      Someone getting a copy for free that they otherwise would have bought IS a lost sale.
      Someone getting a copy for free that they otherwise wouldn't have bought, and then they buy it, is a sale gained.

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    76. Re:Seems partly justified by geekoid · · Score: 1

      But what if you agreed to when you bought the car?

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    77. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it doesn't really matter how many people downloaded it, they are the ones infringing, not UMaple, if they want the rest of the 3.6 million they should have to go after the people running the clients.

      That's not how copyright works. I'm not allowed to copy a book. But if I do copy a book, and sell you a copy (or hand it out for free), I've infringed copyright, you're in the clear.

      Same thing for files -- the one sending out copies to anyone who talks to them on port 80 is infringing copyright, or violating the DMCA by providing a circumvention device, or what the hell ever the charges are. Of course, the DMCA is particularly nice, because it nails the users as well, but that does nothing to mitigate the software provider's (legal) guilt of providing 17000 circumvention devices.

    78. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only because the defendants didn't bother to show up. Had they shown up - case dismissed - with prejudice.

    79. Re:Seems partly justified by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      That would mean you entered a contract with the car manufacturer. It's not the problem of the petrol station though - they don't have such a contract.

    80. Re:Seems partly justified by Wain13001 · · Score: 1

      But the app wasn't MapleStory's code - so no infringement.
      And the fact that they reverse engineered the server component to allow the clients to connect isn't infringement either.

      Again, this judgement was only due to default. Had the defendants shown up, it would have been thrown out.

      You've forgotten, they weren't charged with copyright infringement...they were charged with DRM circumvention...each instance of the program that isn't MapleStory's code is an infringement in this case.

    81. Re:Seems partly justified by russotto · · Score: 1

      This is bad advice. If you are being sued, you should consult with an attorney to determine what you should do.

      The problem is that the attorney will tell you to fold and settle, immediately, because you have no chance in court (see Blizzard v. bnetd).

      Therefore, if you don't find that acceptable, there's no point in going to an attorney. The more you fight, the faster you lose. The best you can do is make them do all the work of crushing you.

    82. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't like Nexon that much, but I hate pirates worse.

      We have a fun grey area here. Remember that the MAPLESTORY source and/or binaries were stolen at some point, but we don't know if that is in fact UMaple used, and as such that's only "one" copy.

      Now if they were unlawfully redistributing the client, which is certainly true since only one client version works with each server version, that's certainly a valid claim, BUT since they weren't charging money for the client download, there's nothing claimable here either.

      If they lawfully reverse engineered the server, which I think is highly unlikely, they can't claim piracy of the server, but they are in fact breaking the DRM.

      Most of the piracy and cracking of the game software occurs in foreign countries like Germany, Russia and other countries where Nexon doesn't operate and can't get a legal tentacle into good enough. There is a site - http://www.elitepvpers.com , that is full of full time "hackers" and script kiddies of Nexon's games and other online games.

      At any rate, I really don't give a damn about the outcome of this, but I'd rather see UMaple be smacked for this behavior, even if it's a tiny amount.

    83. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. They make absolute sense as a way to curb unwanted behavior. Take wearing a seat belt as an example. The fine is usually a set amount. If caught, you get a set fine and it seems to be doing a pretty good job of discouraging driving without a seat belt. Arguments that this is just a revenue stream aside, the fine itself does discourage driving without a seat belt to some way more than seeing the effects would.

      In this case, the behavior is stealing potential revenue from someone else. Apparently we as a society this is an issue that needs attention brought to it in a way that seeing the results (loss of income to the 'victims') just isn't doing. A minimum is a great way of doing so, and the few cases that get caught will serve as a wake up call to the rest of us to be aware and avoid that behavior in the future. Either the operation is wrong or it isn't. Keeping things in the grey does nothing for anyone.

      The problem I see with this minimum is that it is far too extreme for the crime, in the same way a life sentence is unreasonable for jaywalking,

    84. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And whom did all of these people download the infringing software from? They made one copy, but distributed it over 17,000 times. Each of those is an instance of infringement.

      $3.6 million is probably overboard, and it's doubtful that the defendants even have that much money, but they should definitely get hit with a hell of a lot more than $400.

    85. Re:Seems partly justified by luther349 · · Score: 1

      here not based in the usa do rely the judgment means nothing.

    86. Re:Seems partly justified by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "The judge's hands are tied here by the law."

      Rule the fucking damages unconstitutional. Judges have that fucking power. To not use it is the height of stupidity for the judge.

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    87. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Countries with officials that are easy to bribe are generally politically unstable. US gives arms to aid coup... new bunch of corrupt swines at the helm, but these ones answer to admiral USA...

    88. Re:Seems partly justified by Khyber · · Score: 1

      If it's not MapleStory's code, it's not fucking DRM circumvention. In fact, if it's not MS code at all, Nexon has zero fucking claim.

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    89. Re:Seems partly justified by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      If I make copies and swell those, then I have violated copyright law...but that still doesn't mean you 'deserved' that money.

      Well actually, it is part of why the artist deserved that money (I'm going to stop talking from mcgrew's hypothetical now). Copyright law is society's promise not to copy their work. The fact that is law, and that the artist created the work under that perfectly valid assumption, means that we are morally bound to honour it. It doesn't mean we have to buy his stuff, only to pay for what we use.

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    90. Re:Seems partly justified by nschubach · · Score: 1

      If you put out free bait to get someone to download it, then you switch modes and sue to make money...

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    91. Re:Seems partly justified by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      That's definitely a problem, but not the one at issue here. I'd say that problem has to do with the contracts artists enter into with big companies to sell their work for them. In this case the artist (or developer) was already paid the pittance they agreed to write the software for I'm quite sure.

      Are you saying no-one pirates indies? Then what's this "Machinarium" thing I've just seen on the Pirate Bay...?

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    92. Re:Seems partly justified by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      I've heard that, but I don't think it's enough. It's only a matter of time before the people who are prepared to pay for a pirated copy realise they can get a copy of the very same legitimacy for much, much less. Besides, who actually pays for pirated copies these days?

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    93. Re:Seems partly justified by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Or, if UMaple doesn't have much in the way of assets, they might just declare bankruptcy and walk away from the whole thing. That'd probably be the smart move.

      Unless UMaple is a registered limited liability company, that means the guys running it going personally bankrupt, and spending the next couple of decades with a toxic credit rating.

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    94. Re:Seems partly justified by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      No, Nexon's argument is "this free client is explicitly and expressly provided for connecting to our service". IE is for connecting to an website -- explicitly and expressly. Please go and learn what logic actually is...

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    95. Re:Seems partly justified by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Look, I am more than aware that artists can transfer copyrights. However, copyright law does protect artists, even when they trade them away. People pay artists for copyrights because they are still worth something. Without copyright law, they aren't worth the paper they're printed on (and yes, I am aware they are not printed).

      However, I think you may have missed my point. Whatever you call the entity being wronged here, it's not due to money changing hands.

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    96. Re:Seems partly justified by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      who actually pays for pirated copies these days.

      People with limited internet (10 and 30 GB caps are common here)

    97. Re:Seems partly justified by Fnord666 · · Score: 2

      If it's not MapleStory's code, it's not fucking DRM circumvention. In fact, if it's not MS code at all, Nexon has zero fucking claim.

      But it was MapleStory's code that users were running.

      UMaples' client, the "UMaple Launcher," allegedly bypassed the access controls in MapleStory's client software.

      If they had written their own client it would have been fine. Unfortunately MapleStory's client had protection methods included and UMaple provided software that circumvented those protection methods so that users could use the official client with UMaple's servers. The infringing software was provided by UMaple and so they were liable for their actions.

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    98. Re:Seems partly justified by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Because they wrote a piece of software with the express purpose of breaking MapleStory's DRM, DRM which forces the client to connect to the official server.

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    99. Re:Seems partly justified by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      True... I myself am currently living with an 8GB cap (don't ask :-/ ). However, I'm going to guess that this, um, "situation" will, er, "improve" any time soon, as the history of technological advancement has taught us time and time again.

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    100. Re:Seems partly justified by shentino · · Score: 1

      Or e360 v. spamhaus

      Come to think of it though I think that one should have more hurdles to climb before getting a default judgement.

    101. Re:Seems partly justified by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Try the next couple of years, if that. BKs aren't what they used to be. And no better time to declare than in the middle of a recession.

    102. Re:Seems partly justified by shentino · · Score: 1

      Which just by itself is bullshit.

      Being forced to show up on a meritless lawsuit when you don't even get reimbursed for your legal expenses is baloney.

      At the very least you should be required to establish a prima facie case before you get a default.

    103. Re:Seems partly justified by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Your point being what? What ethical or moral problem does that present?

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    104. Re:Seems partly justified by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      Its going in the reverse direction here
      Plans started out as 1Mbps Unlimited , then mutated into 1Mbps till 100GB followed by 256kbps and currently stand at 4mbps till 30gb followed by 256kbps
      Most plans have followed the same path (ADSL plans)

    105. Re:Seems partly justified by shentino · · Score: 1

      He contrasted sold copies vs free copies.

      Almost the very definition of a lost sale since it means money going into someone else's pockets that would have gone just as easily into the right ones.

      My definition of a sale gained or lost is very much based on how much money is diverted either to or from the pockets of the company with the original product. If money goes in that otherwise would not have, it's a gain. If money ducks out that otherwise would have gone in, it's a loss.

      The key point is the effect on the sales of the original product.

    106. Re:Seems partly justified by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Really? I have two questions: a) What the hell? and b) Where do you live?

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    107. Re:Seems partly justified by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      India
      The reason is that there is effectively a national monopoly in the broadband space
      Actually, there are 2 major players. One of which is govt. run and the other is a private player.
      Downtime and QoS is pretty bad on the govt. company
      The pvt. company (Airtel) has pretty much been hiking rates for the past 6 years and reducing broadband packages in general. But its really reliable(downtime is rarely more than 30-40 hours/year)
      Other options with better speeds do exist, but they are limited to just a few colonies of a few cities (even then the best plan you can get is 20mbps till 60GB followed by unlimited at 6mbps)
      Anything beyond that is unaffordable and limited to businesses

    108. Re:Seems partly justified by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      The problem I see with this minimum is that it is far too extreme for the crime, in the same way a life sentence is unreasonable for jaywalking,

      That's just the problem, no matter what, in some cases it is too extreme, and the judges hands are tied anyway. The sentence isn't being imposed by a judge on a case by case basis with access to the facts, as it should be.

      Moving violations, which includes your seat belt example, aren't technically crimes, they're civil infractions (outside of egregious behavior, obviously, such as driving recklessly or intoxicated, which is why those behaviors usually end in an arrest).

      The difference between someone pirating an album to listen to it and pirating an album to makes copies of it and sell them at a profit is enormous in terms of intent, and intent is a big part of the law. Clearly the latter deserves a harsher sentence than the former, but mandatory minimums would impose the same sentence on both, and that's not really fitting with the spirit of justice, in my opinion.

      The most ridiculous thing about these sentences, especially as concerns all this IP bullshit these days, is that a person that literally walked into a Best Buy and stole a physical CD would have 1/10th of the financial penalties of someone downloading that same CD's music online. The arbitrary nature of the determination of these financial penalties themselves is ridiculous. I mean, how could anyone see a $1,900,000 judgement for downloading 24 songs solely for personal use as a reasonable judgement at all? These guys literally argued with a straight face that Limewire cost them $75 trillion in damages. This exceeds the CIA's estimation of the Gross World Product in 2010 by $5 trillion, so apparently Limewire cost the RIAA more money than there is on the entire planet. Even the judge in that case thought it was completely absurd.

      Mandatory minimum sentences when we're dealing with a civil infraction is much different in my eyes than mandatory minimum sentences for an actual crime. Historically the power to sentence has been in the judge's hands, and I still see no compelling reason whatsoever that a judge should have that power taken away by a mandatory minimum sentence.

    109. Re:Seems partly justified by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      It's lasted for a couple hundred years of the 10,000 years of human history.

      Copyright is less than one tenth the age of some of our older books.

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    110. Re:Seems partly justified by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Copyright is not a natural right. It's not a right granted to individuals. It's a power granted to the government.

      It's a statutory right that depends on no moral rights of the "owner".

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    111. Re:Seems partly justified by skywire · · Score: 1

      The technology that was "broken" was not DRM technology. Look up the definition of DRM. Read the DMCA. "DRM" does not mean "Business Plan Enforcement". It means "Digital Rights Management", that is, controlling the copying of copyrighted digital works. You can't properly speak of every technology that attempts to limit or direct human behaviour so as to maximize profit as "DRM".

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    112. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they were charged with DRM circumvention

      Wow! You guys have laws against DRM circumvention? Your politicians really are insane.

    113. Re:Seems partly justified by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 3, Informative

      IT WAS NOT AN INFRINGEMENT SUIT! They were sued for circumventing DRM. completely different issue.

    114. Re:Seems partly justified by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      If the fuel cap said "property of Ford motors -- only to be removed by authorised personnel" and the pump attendant prised it off with a crowbar, I think it would be the petrol station's problem.

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    115. Re:Seems partly justified by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Is it bait and switch if the bait is essentially free?

      Probably. But it's not bait and switch if there's no switch. MapleStory's Ts & Cs are relatively clear. There is no switch.

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    116. Re:Seems partly justified by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      That's MapleStory's claim, though. The DRM was the technology that managed the contractually-defined rights of the user: to use the client to connect to MapleStory's servers. UMaple never contested MapleStory's claim that the software included DRM. If they had turned up in court and demonstrated that MapleStory's software did not warrant the title "DRM", then we would have maybe seen some solid precedent over what constitutes DRM in terms of the DCMA. But the didn't, so we haven't.

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    117. Re:Seems partly justified by kbg · · Score: 1

      But TPB lost their trial, so it doesn't matter if you live outside the US, US companies can still take you to court.

    118. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UMaple was after all making money from software written by MapleStory, without their permission

      No they weren't. They were making money from their own server software, which they (presumably) wrote themselves. Other people used the MapleStory client to connect to it, but that's neither here nor there.

      An analogy: if I run an editing and proofreading business, and clients send me documents which they've written with Microsoft Word, does that mean that I'm making money from Microsoft software?

    119. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loading a program into a computer's memory is an act of copying. Downloading anything from a server to a client, ditto. It doesn't matter that the copy is transient - it's still been copied.

      That's the entire legal theory behind EULAs, and it's been upheld every time it's been tested in US courts.

    120. Re:Seems partly justified by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      > UMaple was after all making money from software written by MapleStory, without their permission

      They're making money from server software they're writing. The fact that people connect to their server with MapleStory's client is irrelevant.

    121. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Plaintiff is registered in Delaware, judgement is in California - it's a fair bet the defendants live there.

      Everyone registers in Delaware, they have laxer tax requirements then most other states apparently. Google is a Delaware corporation and their main office is in Silicon Valley.

      Suing in California is probably because Hollywood is in California so it's standard jurisdiction shopping to pick judges who are typically biased in favor of strong copyright. This is the same as companies suing over patents doing so in East Texas, the companies don't have a strong presence there, it's just that the judges there have a reputation for strong bias in favor of patents and issuing large penalties.

      None of this helps figure out where the defendant is.

    122. Re:Seems partly justified by westyvw · · Score: 1

      Unless you get extradited for posting links to infringing material. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120313/10132918091/uk-govt-agrees-to-extradite-richard-odwyer-to-us-linking-to-possibly-infringing-stuff.shtml

      And if they are willing to extradite for acting like google, I see no reason why a person wont get extradited for this either. Except, of course, that some game I have never heard of is not nearly as interesting as media copyright.

    123. Re:Seems partly justified by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      What if you got the car for free, with the clause that it must be serviced/fueled by the manufacturer?
      (Analogy does start to fall apart at this point due to the car being a physical object though)

    124. Re:Seems partly justified by gmanterry · · Score: 1

      they were charged with DRM circumvention

      Wow! You guys have laws against DRM circumvention? Your politicians really are insane.

      We Americans are profoundly proud that we have a government totally bought and paid for by Sony and the other IP owners. We are merely here to serve our Intellectual Property Overlords. We all grovel at their feet because they own all our Senators and Congressmen. Hail Sony!!!!

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    125. Re:Seems partly justified by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Go ask some fish.

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    126. Re:Seems partly justified by MBraynard · · Score: 1

      But that's not what the law says and not what was meant by the people who wrote it.

      The company ripping of MapleStory made a lot of money doing so and the fine was too light if anything.

      Judges intepret and apply laws, they shouldn't be writing them or basing what they think the penalty should be on what they think is right. That is the job of the democratically elected legislature. No one voted for this judge.

    127. Re:Seems partly justified by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The "limited time" is what makes it not ownership. Your patent is like a rented house -- you have the rights to the house you rented, but you don't own it. "We the people" own the work, the author is simply the tenant.

      For an entity who has essentially "locked their story in a safe" (even if it is a safe that allows a select group of participants access), the act of having someone else access that story without permission would feel very much like theft. At the very least it would feel like a violation of some sort

      Like the landlord walking in without permission. You can't do that, either. It isn't theft but you could have him jailed.

    128. Re:Seems partly justified by leonardluen · · Score: 1

      But i am pretty sure that is what the law says...the law was written because for example it wasn't easy to tell how many people had downloaded the MP3 you were sharing. So that is why we get the RIAA suing for outrages sums of money in the thousands of dollars per song, and the DMCA allows this, but it is still considered only 1 infringement per song.

      the $200 here is the MINIMUM fine per infringement, so indeed the fine could be larger than $200, and maybe it should. However UMaple only made 1 infringement not 17k, and the judges award is based on 17k infringements at the minimum $200 fine. The Judge thinks his own judgement was too high, but that is because he calculated it incorrectly, there was not 17k infringements.

    129. Re:Seems partly justified by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Because the UK has been for ages willing to jump when the US says frog while countries like Russia will tell the USA to go get fucked? There is a good reason why you see all the hacker stuff coming out of the Eastern EU and certain Asian countries and that is because they simply won't extradite to the USA, and frankly don't give a rat's ass about USA copyrights or patents either.

      Look up KIRF sometime and see the most blatant knockoffs that would have any company in the UK, NZ, or AUS busted and hauled before a USA court so fast it would make your head spin but which can be not only sold on any street corner there but also on the net to anybody with a CC (be it real, prepaid, or stolen for that matter) and be shipped anywhere on the planet. hell they even have the brass balls to sell a Win 7 Flash stick with ALL the versions of Win 7 AND they stuck Steve Ballmer's signature on the fricking stick just as a "fuck you buddy" to MSFT!

      Now if these countries don't give a shit about trademarks and copyrights on physical goods what makes you think they'll give a shit about hot code? as long as they get paid at the end of the week they frankly won't give a wet fart WHAT you do over there.

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    130. Re:Seems partly justified by Exit_On_Right · · Score: 1

      "The "limited time" is what makes it not ownership. Your patent is like a rented house -- you have the rights to the house you rented, but you don't own it. "We the people" own the work, the author is simply the tenant"

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      That's a tricky one, because in the case of a story you write, unless you sell those rights, your "limited time" ownership is the span of your natural life. To the average person, that's going to seem a lot like ownership. Your analogy also doesn't take into account that the "tenant" built the house. In the case of an author who has written a story, he was the one who actually built the thing. Unless he sells it, it is his to control for the entire span of his life. To most people, that would seem like ownership, and improper use of that material would seem a lot like theft, especially if he was in a position to profit from the use of that material.

      As a side note, it's funny that you use a rented house in your analogy. Because based on the idea you've put forward, people don't "own" their homes either.

      Consider: Because my mortgage is paid out, I say that I own the house and land. It is mine. However, in truth, the city/state has the ability to take back (annex) that home and land if it feels it is in the best interest of the people. By the standard you set above for copyright/patent, I wouldn't "own" my home either. The people own it, I have simply made a financial arrangement that allows me to use it until such time as the actual owner wants it back. Not sure how most people would feel about that idea... :)

       

    131. Re:Seems partly justified by Khyber · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And those protection methods were bypassed because they caused problems with other system processes totally unrelated to the game, to the point of system instability.

      In fact, Nexon's code does some rather unethical, possibly illegal things.

      >mfw I worked on part of this code

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    132. Re:Seems partly justified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which part did you work on? I remember spending quite a while trying to figure out what was wrong with a family member's computer that after much toiling turned out to be that Maple Story failed in hooking some keyboard processes, upshot of which was that the computer appeared to have a dead keyboard, no matter what keyboard was physically connected.

      So, if it was THAT part, please kick yourself in the nuts for me.

    133. Re:Seems partly justified by Anguirel · · Score: 1

      But that part is not unconstitutional in and of itself, unless you'd like to call a $200 award "cruel and unusual punishment". Stupid laws, sadly, can still be allowed under the constitution as long as they fall under the appropriate powers granted to the Congress.

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    134. Re:Seems partly justified by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Nothing more than breaking a promise. And we all know breaking a promise is fine, right?

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    135. Re:Seems partly justified by robsku · · Score: 1

      That is just plain stupid now, but just for fun I'll reply:

      If the fuel cap said "property of Ford motors -- only to be removed by authorised personnel" and the pump attendant prised it off with a crowbar, I think it would be the petrol station's problem.

      Maybe if you didn't agree to it and the attendant breaks it, but I don't see that as a problem if nothing breaks and everything is same as before after you leave the station...

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    136. Re:Seems partly justified by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      NOBODY said copyright is a natural right. So nobody cares when you assert that it isn't.

      It's a statutory right that depends on no moral rights of the "owner".

      By your peculiar use of the word "moral," with which most people do not agree.

      Copyright certainly has a well-established place in law. The fact that you don't like those laws is irrelevant. You still have to obey them.

    137. Re:Seems partly justified by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Maple Story has built-in anti-botting and cheat detection software built-in. That keyboard hook? Nexon's fault, not mine.

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  2. 17938 infringements or just 1? by c_g_hills · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't see how they work out that it is 17938 infringements when they only set up one server, so they have only infringed once.

    1. Re:17938 infringements or just 1? by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree. I'm sure the law says "per work" infringed. not per person infringing. The rationale for the damages I thought was that you can't know how many users infringed.

    2. Re:17938 infringements or just 1? by tomhath · · Score: 5, Informative
      FTA:

      17 USC 1203 sets a statutory damages minimum of $200 per act of circumvention. UMaples' client, the "UMaple Launcher," allegedly bypassed the access controls in MapleStory's client software. UMaple had 17,938 users.

      I suppose one could argue what "act of circumvention" means. But apparently it doesn't mean 17K users avoiding payment to the rightful owner of the software is just one act.

    3. Re:17938 infringements or just 1? by Megane · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't see how they work out that it is 17938 infringements when they only set up one server, so they have only infringed once.

      That would probably because that was the argument from the only side that showed up.

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    4. Re:17938 infringements or just 1? by Amouth · · Score: 1

      but by that argument wouldn't it be one count for the server and then one for each of the clients, as they knew they not using the autorized server.. so really this defendant is liable for one count and each of the users are each in their own liable for a count.. so if they wnat the 3.6m they will need to solicit it from the actual 17k people who bypassed the DRM

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    5. Re:17938 infringements or just 1? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless the 17k users negotiated exclusivity contracts with MapleStory, remember that the game EULA is 1-way contract and subject to legitimate question, I don't see how UMaple can be held to the fire. MapleStory should have implemented better customer lockin. You know, like Ubisoft does.

      In these contexts, I'd rather the market be open rather than making everyone play nice out of litigious fear. That just breeds an industry with loads of contempt, piracy, and eventually, failure.

    6. Re:17938 infringements or just 1? by Roujo · · Score: 1

      But apparently it doesn't mean 17K users avoiding payment to the rightful owner of the software is just one act.

      For what it's worth, the client software is free, although it's normally only able to connect to the official servers.

    7. Re:17938 infringements or just 1? by Roujo · · Score: 1

      Oh, and the game is F2P, too. I forgot to take into account that you might have meant that the users would be avoiding payment of a subscription fee. There is still the fact that users potentially could access premium content that would normally have to be paid for, which /would/ be payment avoidance. That and the fact that UMaple apparently had their own premium features, which were "rewards" for "donations".

    8. Re:17938 infringements or just 1? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Because it's an infringe to allow people to access the code you have circumvented.

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    9. Re:17938 infringements or just 1? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      yes, that's the way I read it as well.

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    10. Re:17938 infringements or just 1? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      That's a reasonable argument. But the article also mentions that UMaple didn't try to defend itself against the claim of 17k acts, so the judge ruled in favor of the plaintiff by default. The judgement is probably irrelevant anyway since I assume the owners of UMaple live outside the US.

    11. Re:17938 infringements or just 1? by shentino · · Score: 1

      Which only begs the question of how the court managed to get jurisdiction over the defendants in the first place. I'd like to know if they even got served properly.

    12. Re:17938 infringements or just 1? by skine · · Score: 1

      One *could* argue that.

      But apparently nobody did.

    13. Re:17938 infringements or just 1? by robsku · · Score: 1

      Considering all this I can't see how UMaple would be responsible for any sort of infringement...

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    14. Re:17938 infringements or just 1? by Roujo · · Score: 1

      They provided the means to circumvent the server lock on the client, thus allowing people to connect to the UMaple servers instead of the official ones. Doing so probably revoked the client's EULA, making its use infringement - usage without a valid license. Now, if all UMaple did was provide the tool and instructions to use it, I think charging them with one count of infringement per user is not fair and that the damages awarded are wildly excessive. However, they did profit from unauthorized use of a copyrighted program so I agree that there /is/ infringement.

  3. Mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Court messed up pretty majorly here, statutory damages is per infringing work, not per infrigement.

  4. Is this similiar to the Battle.net case? by sohmc · · Score: 1

    I vaguely recall that someone had developed a program that mimicked battle.net, so people could host their own Starcraft game servers. Blizzard eventually sued and shut down the program.

    It sounds like the facts are similar, except that in the MapleStory case, the people were making money whereas the battle.net clone was just some developer who released his stuff open-source.

    Anyone with a better memory than me?

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    1. Re:Is this similiar to the Battle.net case? by NotQuiteInsane · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're thinking about Bnetd -- Blizzard sued the dev team under the terms of the DMCA. As I recall, the main issue was that they'd created a Battle.net emulator which didn't implement CD key checking -- Blizzard refused to allow Bnetd to validate CD keys against Battle.net (citing security and piracy fears), and proceeded to send a DMCA takedown to the Bnetd project's ISP.

      Blizzard then sued the Bnetd developers and their ISP (in addition to the takedown request), alleging copyright infringement, trademark infringement, breaking the Battle.net and several Blizzard games' EULAs *and* several DMCA violations to boot. The EFF defended the dev team, but Blizzard still won the lawsuit, the Bnetd.org domain, and a judgment against the original developers.

      Proof positive that Blizzard were definitely in the "evil" category long before the Activision merger.

      (However this didn't stop the GPL'd source code of the Bnetd project ending up on many, *many* servers worldwide... far out of reach of the DMCA restrictions)

      (Disclaimer: any opinions presented herein are my own, and not necessarily those of any other entity)

    2. Re:Is this similiar to the Battle.net case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how protecting your IP is evil... but okay.

    3. Re:Is this similiar to the Battle.net case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ther is no such thing as intelectual property (IP) and even if you claim they were defending copyright there wasn't any violation of copyright (as far as I know). It is even questionable that these enable the evasion of digital restrictions in some cases.

    4. Re:Is this similiar to the Battle.net case? by jmerlin · · Score: 2

      How is proliferating a broken and unmaintained battle.net system that's littered with bots clogging all chat channels with spam, flooding the custom list with fake games (unjoinable games or games that will never start), and permitting blatant cheating "protecting your IP" ? All of these problems can be solved in a maintained battle.net server. The real problem here is Blizzard, when faced with pioneering engineers who saw these problems and wanted to fix them on their own so they could continue to enjoy the games they had purchased, were unwilling to cooperate at no expense to themselves. That makes Blizzard stupid. But when these engineers decided, correctly, that in the game's current state, no person would ever again purchase it because it was literally unplayable, it was obvious what the next step would be: continue, even without Blizzard's support. And then, instead of realizing the potential profits a community-maintained battle.net server would bring (you know, not needing to pay people to develop and maintain it, nor to police it), Blizzard spends millions of dollars to spew lawsuits all over everything they can touch. Making money was not the goal of these actions, as clearly the costs of these suits far outweighed any actual demonstrable damages. The ONLY goal Blizzard has was to destroy bnetd and to prevent any future community involvement in bettering Blizzard's services.

      THIS is what makes Blizzard evil. Nobody has denied that Blizzard has a right to profit from each user of its software (what you call "IP"), but Blizzard outright rejected that offer and proceeded to destroy a project aimed at making a Blizzard title far better at no cost to Blizzard.

    5. Re:Is this similiar to the Battle.net case? by robsku · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how protecting your IP is evil... but okay.

      Some people seem to consider this line above to be some generic reply that proves that something wrong was indeed done... If one writes a battle.net emulator, it's his, not Blizzards IP - unless the writer stole and used Blizzards own source code instead of simply reverse engineering their protocol.

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  5. don't laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but i see people this every week, all week at all the local flea markets - along with music CDs, etc. - and people are buying them! just walk around an urban area's sidewalks...

  6. If we could only figure out how to.... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    ... do this with all cheats (i.e. banks) we'd all be rich.

    1. Re:If we could only figure out how to.... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Doesn't work if the cheats write the laws.

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  7. Where is the DRM circumvention? by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

    Where is the DRM circumvention. Did UMaple modify the original commercial clients? If all they did was set up a server that somebody accessed with a client, how is that circumventing DRM. It might be using the software for a purpose other than intended, but, my wife who teaches kindergarten takes old CDs and the kids make mosaics from them. That to is using it for a purpose other than intended.

    I'm not saying what they did was legal, but it seems that a different statute than DRM circumvention would be at hand.

    1. Re:Where is the DRM circumvention? by jimshatt · · Score: 1

      I hope they're not selling those mosaics, or she'll be in trouble! I stopped using them as a coaster, because I'm too afraid of MPAA raids (and I don't even live in the US!).

    2. Re:Where is the DRM circumvention? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hold it, hold it... Those AOL coasters I've had for the longest time look stunningly like CDs now that I look at them...

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  8. Does each user have to count separately? by apcullen · · Score: 0

    IANAL-- but why not just say that the server itself was one infringement and fine them $200?

  9. Excessive Fines? by JDG1980 · · Score: 2

    In fact, it sounds like the court would very much like to decrease the amount, but notes that 'nevertheless, the court is powerless to deviate from the DMCA's statutory minimum.'

    The court should have ruled that a $3.6 million award would violate the Eighth Amendment prohibition against "excessive fines," and that this portion of the DMCA was therefore unconstitutional as applied to this particular case. (It's not that unusual for courts to decide that while a law is constitutional "on its face," it is unconstitutional "as applied."

    1. Re:Excessive Fines? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You COULD argue it is excessive but that would require the defendents to actually show up and argue it.

    2. Re:Excessive Fines? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      It wasn't a fine, it was an award. This was a civil case.

  10. Here is the DRM circumvention. by PSVMOrnot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The server is not the issue here, or at least not the main one.

    The part that is landing UMaple with the $3.6 million fine is that in order to make the official MapleStory client look to UMaple's server instead they had to write a little launcher app (UMaple Launcher) which would presumably do something like an in-memory edit to change the server address the client used. Possibly with a modification to some sort of handshaking protocol.

    It's the technological equivalent of ignoring a 'do not enter' sign, rather than the actual bypassing of security, but sadly it still seems to count.

    This launcher is the part that is being used by the 17K users, and so where the court is getting the 17K counts of infringement from.

    1. Re:Here is the DRM circumvention. by sandytaru · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That is actually pretty common. I use a modified launcher for my MMORPG, which then allows me access to third party plugins. Since the group that made the launcher has not solicited donations, and all the play still occurs on the main servers so we still pay the original licensing fees and monthly fees to the actual company producing the game, they haven't gone after the group that made the circumventing launcher just yet.

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    2. Re:Here is the DRM circumvention. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is basically correct. I played MapleStory back when people were actively doing this. The official MapleStory client is hardcoded to connect to Nexon's (that's the company's name, the articles get it wrong) servers. In order to get it to connect to another server, people like UMaple's developers would strip the DRM protection out of the official client launcher and modify it to connect to their servers. They violated Nexon's exclusive right to create derivative works and violated the DMCA to do it. Furthermore, MapleStory is a free to play game that makes money off of "donations" (someone once told me that Nexon America is legally registered as a nonprofit), so UMaple's acceptance of donations should have been clearly linked to their infringement. The 3.6 million award is pretty steep for what they did, but UMaple is far from an innocent victim.

    3. Re:Here is the DRM circumvention. by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      It's the technological equivalent of ignoring a 'do not enter' sign, rather than the actual bypassing of security

      I think it's more akin to you telling your GPS you want to go to Wendy's but YOU installed a hack on your GPS to redirect you to Wendie's instead. The hack of course was provided to you by Wendie's

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    4. Re:Here is the DRM circumvention. by nschubach · · Score: 1

      So, if I modified my router to direct all packets destined to a specific IP address to localhost... I'm violating the law?
      This is essentially what you are saying is happening. Instead of going to (Nexon), it goes to (BobsServer).

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    5. Re:Here is the DRM circumvention. by nschubach · · Score: 1

      Ah, so Wendy's can sue Wendie's because someone else willingly installed an app they wrote so they didn't keep getting directed to Wendy's.

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    6. Re:Here is the DRM circumvention. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure the reason SE hasn't gone after Cliff et al is really because of the backlash they'd get over it. They don't like it, but they tacitly acknowledge that it enhances the game in such a way that it would be futile self-abuse to play without it. At least for the PC players anyway.

      I mean, did they really expect people to go all the way to Lv 75 (now 99) still communicating their TP in /p chat? Ridiculous. Can you imagine how it'd go down if they came out and said "Hey guys, you're not supposed to be using TParty and Distance, so we're going to sue Windower.net out of existence and force you guys to deal with our inferior software, because you're not playing the way we intended."

    7. Re:Here is the DRM circumvention. by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      OH...and Wendy's gave you the GPS which only tells you how to get to Wendy's of course.

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  11. Used to block anything that wasn't IE by GerbilSoft · · Score: 1

    The only thing I remember Maple Story for was how they blocked any browser that wasn't Internet Explorer from even viewing their website a few years ago. Screw them.

  12. The judge, had the power to dismiss it. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But he chose not to.

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    1. Re:The judge, had the power to dismiss it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The defendant didn't show up, by default he has to rule in favor of the plaintiff.

    2. Re:The judge, had the power to dismiss it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The post you replied to is right. The judge could still dismiss it. The point is that would be stupid, because the judgement would be appealed and overturned.

  13. Default judgment by TheSpoom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let this be a lesson: If you're sued, even if you think the lawsuit is the dumbest thing on Earth, you should still show up to defend yourself. If you don't, things like this happen.

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    1. Re:Default judgment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a pretty simple and fair rule. Show up if you want to win. If it didn't exist, people would never show up to defend lawsuits.

    2. Re:Default judgment by MobyDisk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If both parties don't show up

      That isn't what happened. In this case, only the defense didn't show up. Since they provided no defense, they are guilty. If both parties don't show-up then there is no evidence of a crime so common law jurisprudence requires that the judge rule in favor of the defendant.

    3. Re:Default judgment by jpapon · · Score: 1

      Since they provided no defense, they are guilty.

      I think this is the part the OP has a problem with. Unfortunately, in an adversarial judicial system, it's the only possibility (unless of course the case of the side which shows up is completely without merit).

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    4. Re:Default judgment by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      Let this be a lesson: If you're sued, even if you think the lawsuit is the dumbest thing on Earth, you should still show up to defend yourself. If you don't, things like this happen.

      Unless you live beyond the reach of the country with the dumbest lawsuit on Earth.

    5. Re:Default judgment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's so true and everyone should be aware of it if they are based in the US. Even if you just show up with no lawyer and your not even properly prepared it's still better to always show up, or respond to the court in some way, else you're guaranteed to lose 99.9% of the time.

      In this case however it sounds like the defendants are overseas and based in a nation that otherwise doesn't give a crap and has no intention of enforcing such a judgment of a US court, not to mention the defendants having no intention of paying it.

    6. Re:Default judgment by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      It's a US law, and a non-US company.

      The company doesn't give a shit about US law.

      Fix the law(s) if you want it to work better.

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    7. Re:Default judgment by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      things like what? Being able to ignore the penalty because it's a non-US company that isn't held to US law?

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    8. Re:Default judgment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the judge is required to review the facts. If the plaintiff states "They did x to me" and there's no counter argument, then, unless the judge has reason to believe the plaintiff is lying, he must accept that.

      As long as "x" is a crime, then the judge, lacking reason to believe the crime didn't happen, is bound to find in favour of the plaintiff.

      This isn't unfair. If "x" was "spoke loudly" then the judge would find in favour of the defense, as no crime occurred, even if the plaintiff were being honest. If the judge found out before the trial that the plaintiff was a known liar (perhaps multiple counts of perjury) then the judge would also be welcome to say "I can't take what you say on face value, bring evidence or witnesses". No evidence/witness, again, no case, judgment in favour of the defendant.

      Completely fair.

    9. Re:Default judgment by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      Show up if you want to win.

      I wasn't talking about what the defense should do. I was talking about what the court should do.

      If it didn't exist, people would never show up to defend lawsuits.

      Why wouldn't they? In grey or controversial areas they would still have strong incentive to show up. Even if you remove the insanity of "that person didn't say anything therefore the other person must be correct," defendants' chances of winning still goes up if they provide arguments.

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    10. Re:Default judgment by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Laws systems usually ignore logic and reason. Generally, trials are theaters where you have two actors - the prosecution and defense - where those who interpret and best lies wins. Who is really telling the truth is a detail skipped.

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    11. Re:Default judgment by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Clearly you know nothing about lawsuits.
      The problems is too fold:
      The media only talks about things they can twist into a spin.
      Insurance companies continue to make up stories about lawsuit in order to get 'tort reform'. Which we don't need.

      The lawsuits in American aren't really that bad.

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    12. Re:Default judgment by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      What would you do if you were sued in a Turkmenistan court for using purple text on your website? Because apparenty they outlawed that in the 90's and you didn't know about it.

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    13. Re:Default judgment by jmerlin · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the Salem witch trials. Get accused, defend yourself at great personal risk else face unreasonable punishment. This is not a criminal matter, so they don't need proof either. And if you want to defend yourself, I hope you have super, super deep pockets. What's next? Do we throw them in water and determine that they are guilty if they float?

      What we need above almost everything else in this country is Tort reform. Being able to sue another person with such impunity (especially massive corporations) is quite simply retarded. Perhaps it could start with judges throwing out these claims in the first place. I have a feeling doing so would be tied in somehow to them losing their office, so they don't. Perhaps repealing corporate personhood could lead to a ruling that corporations have no right to civil damages because they are not people?

    14. Re:Default judgment by jmerlin · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that the defendant is guilty until proven innocent?

    15. Re:Default judgment by Tom · · Score: 1

      you should still show up to defend yourself

      No, you should talk to a real lawyer.

      Showing up can also be shotgun blast to your own foot. It all depends.

      I was sued in California in the DeCSS case. Fortunately, that generated enough headlines that the EFF became involved. I had a long and very revealing phone call with one of their lawyers. You see, I am from Germany and I've never been to California in my life, nor do I have any business there or any other interaction.
      Before calling the lawyer, I had wanted to write a polite letter to the court, explain that to them and tell them to tell the plaintiff to go fuck off and sue me in Germany.

      The lawyer told me something I didn't know: That making an appearance in court automatically means you accept the court's jurisdiction. Unless you make something called a "special appearance to challenge personal jurisdiction" in which the only arguments you can make are those that, well, challenge the court's jurisdiction over you. Say one word regarding the facts of the case, and boom, you're in the jurisdiction.

      Don't just show up. Don't not show up, either. Don't take advise from the Internet. Go and call a lawyer and ask him what your options are and what the consequences are.

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    16. Re:Default judgment by luther349 · · Score: 1

      that law applys both ways eg if you go to traffic court and the cop no shows your ticket gets thrown out.

    17. Re:Default judgment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The defendant was innocent until they were proven guilty by the people who actually showed up.

    18. Re:Default judgment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When GP said "If both parties don't show", he clearly meant NEGATE("if both parties show"). Maybe English isn't his first language, but it's very obvious from context, that he meant "if both parties aren't present" or "if one of the parties don't show".

      p.s. Has there ever been a case where neither party appeared?

    19. Re:Default judgment by shentino · · Score: 1

      Not in cases where you suebomb someone in 25 different countries.

    20. Re:Default judgment by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      Siblings: I wasn't aware they were outside the court's jurisdiction. My apologies.

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    21. Re:Default judgment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for the most illuminating yet brief comment here.

    22. Re:Default judgment by robsku · · Score: 1

      Don't just show up. Don't not show up, either. Don't take advise from the Internet. Go and call a lawyer and ask him what your options are and what the consequences are.

      Very good advices, would moderate +1, Informative, but don't have points anymore...

      I just want to add that you should not blindly ignore advise from internet either but rather discuss about it with your lawyer if it sounds like it might be a reasonable advice to you.

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  14. Default judgment by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2

    DMCA isn't what is most fucked up here. The real problem is for default judgment to automatically mean total lack of judgment. If both parties don't show up, then for some reason the judge is required to ignore how the facts compare to the law. Justice isn't even half-heartedly attempted.

    I suspect this ridiculous process is one of those things that is long-established by judicial tradition but has never been penned by any legislator, so the people have have no say in the matter.

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  15. The real reason the judge was annoyed by MasterPatricko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Instead, Plaintiff merely submitted 252 raw pages of documents obtained through discovery without so much as a summary of the information contained in those documents or an explanation to the Court how any of the line items contained therein directly relate to Kumar’s UMaple activities.

    Seems to me that's the real reason the judge wasn't feeling like awarding any more damages, not some kind of protest against the DMCA or statutory damages.

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  16. THIS is why you need juries involved by ka9dgx · · Score: 1

    A properly formed jury could have nullified the law and saved everyone a huge amount of grief here.

    1. Re:THIS is why you need juries involved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A jury won't be empanelled when no facts are in dispute. Which was the case here; the defendant didn't contest the suit, hence the default judgement.

      Also: there's no reason to believe that a jury would have been sympathetic to the defendant. Juries are drawn from the general population, not the slashdot readership.

    2. Re:THIS is why you need juries involved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note that, at least for state law, and in my state, the right to a jury trial is absolute, and the jury is empowered by the state constitution to "determine the law and the facts". Thus, even if no facts are in dispute, a Hoosier is entitled to demand a jury trial. Of course, demanding a jury trial involves showing up in court...

      I'm not sure whether this is possible under Federal law -- I do know the Federal constitution is some weak-ass shit when it comes to personal liberties, making no specific mention of the jury's right to try law, and thus leading to the prevalence of tyrannical judges who will not permit arguing law before the jury, but it's conceivable the right to a jury can still be invoked, in which case the jury will generally not hear any legal arguments, not be informed of jury nullification, and be strictly ordered by the judge to find a certain verdict because there's no dispute of fact (and, more than likely, not realize they have any option but to find that verdict). Nice railroad, eh?

  17. Not justified by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    Another example of computer laws/licensing not making sense in the real world.

    >> "UMaple was after all making money from software written by MapleStory, without their permission."

    If UMaple were making or selling car parts they would be OK. Autozone or NAPA sell parts not manufactured by the car maker. Instead of donations they can outright sell parts that service or enhance a car built by a 3rd party. They would be a similar relationship to the customer - they are offering an alternative to using factory part (or server in this case). Or perhaps UMaple decided to operate a towing/repair service - now they are actually servicing the car build by a 3rd party and soliciting even more money from the customer of a 3rd party car manufacturer.
       

  18. DMCA sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if setting up alternate servers is now illegal, here's what else is possible:

    smartphone makers sue VOIP app makers
    ISPs sue alternate DNS providers and proxy service providers
    car manufacturers sue third-party, after-market, parts manufacturers
    hp sues 'hp compatible ink' suppliers/manufacturers

    cats and dogs living together!
    end of the world!

  19. Just say NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We do not recognize DMCA, so we ignore them.

    Good luck collecting.

  20. If someone owned HTTP by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    If those companies owned HTTP, then sure

    I know you're trying to use an extreme/absurd example here, but it brings up a point I've always found interesting about DMCA.

    Other than indirectly through patents (and that's an important exception), there doesn't seem to be any law, DMCA included, which recognizes that a protocol or a DRM scheme can be "owned" by anyone. DMCA's language is always about who holds the copyright of the DRMed work, not who invented the DRM scheme. That party is whose authorization is always needed.

    Even if someone did "own" HTTP, then visiting your web site with a browser would require your authorization according to DCMA, not HTTP's inventor's authorization. This has various consequences for DCMA which still remain unexploited (e.g. "Sony, you manufactured a TV which cracks the HDCP which protects my copyrighted video.").

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  21. Go back to law school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the court is powerless to deviate from the DMCA's statutory minimum

    If a judge said this, he should be removed from office and forced to re-take law school. The court can overturn ANY law for ANY reason. If some state makes a law that says you can't carry change in your pocket on Sunday, and someone is arrested and tried for violating it, a jury can find him "not guilty" despite it being PROVEN he broke the law, and overturn the law.
    This is the DMCA we're talking about, therefore it concerns law, not just a suit. Therefore, a jury needs to be involved. If a jury is not allowed to be involved, then we have become a police state (although I'm sure everyone's already aware that the US already is).

    1. Re:Go back to law school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a strange response. You're being excessively pedantic about what the judge is saying, but then you're incredibly sloppy in your response. A jury cannot overturn any law. The law still exists regardless of what the jury decides. They would have made a difference in exactly one case. Besides, that's not what the judge is saying.

      What the judge is saying, which is obvious, is that he (as a judge) must follow the statute. He cannot decide to deviate from it unless he wants to go out on a limb and declare it unconstitutional.

      Juries are only involved when there are issues of fact. Your claim that they need to be involved just because something involves a law is false. In this case, there's no jury because there was no factual dispute. The defendant failed to respond, therefore the plaintiff's facts are not in dispute.

  22. WWSD (What would Sony do) by slash+ak · · Score: 1

    What if UMaple takes a page out of Sony's playbook and pays its debt with in-game items? I don't see how that's any less reasonable than providing free music to people you've rootkitted.

  23. I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He knocked it from 68,764.23 to 398.98.. but then it's back up to $3.6 million?

    1. Re:I don't get it by compro01 · · Score: 1

      He knocked the actual damages down to 398.98, but had to add the statutory damages, which are a minimum of $200/infringement, giving us a total judgement of $3,587,998.98.

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  24. The judge did have one option by davidwr · · Score: 1

    He could've found that the law, as applied in this case, was unconstitutional.

    On what grounds?

    That by setting a "minimum amount" that is far in excess of the actual damages (or even 3x actual damages) and it is far in excess of a "reasonable minimum" that is common in civil cases, the excess amounts to a "fine" and as such it's subject to the Constitutional prohibition against unreasonable fines.

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  25. Always Be Incorporating by The+Other+White+Meat · · Score: 1

    this. No matter how trivial the application, you _always_ create a corporation, and have the corporation hold copyright and liability. Then when big bad company comes-a-suin' they are coming after the corporation, and not you personally. Make yourself an employee, pay yourself a token salary, file your annual reports, etc.

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  26. turn it on the users by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

    they should just give up all the users, who should have known full well that this setup wasn't legal. they were all using infringing derivative works. i assume they kept all the payment records.

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