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Florian Mueller Outs Himself As Oracle Employee

eldavojohn writes "So you're commenting on your highly visible blog about patent case after patent case that deal with corporations battling over open source stuff, what does it matter if you're taking money from one and not the other? If you don't see any ethical problems with that, you might be Florian Mueller. Groklaw's PJ (who has been suspicious of Florian's ties to other giants like Microsoft for quite sometime) has noticed that Florian Mueller has decided to go full disclosure and admit that all his commentary on the Oracle v Google case might be tainted by his employment by Oracle. It seems he's got a bunch of consulting money coming his way from Oracle but I'm sure that won't undermine any of his assessments like Android licenses violate the GPL or that Oracle will win $6 billion from Google and Google was "at risk" of not settling despite the outcome that the charges later dropped to a small fraction of the $6 billion. Like so many other times, PJ's hunch was right."

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  1. Re:This just shows paranoid FOSS fanatics are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Huh? Doesn't this news actually *confirm* what these 'paranoid FOSS fanatics' have been saying all along?

  2. Re:This just shows paranoid FOSS fanatics are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're right, Florian is a paragon of unbiased reporting. He exemplifies everything a truly neutral journalist should be.

  3. Re:This just shows paranoid FOSS fanatics are by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "paid by" versus "employed by" is a pretty irrelevant semantic distinction in this case.

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  4. Re:This just shows paranoid FOSS fanatics are by gstrickler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    RTFA, he works for both MS & Oracle.

    ... and he is now analyzing FRAND issues for both Microsoft and Oracle.

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  5. Re:This just shows paranoid FOSS fanatics are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, he's taking money from both. It was disclosed a while ago that he's taking money from M$.

  6. why would anybody trust this guy??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Have you all so quickly forgotten when he got caught out in the bald-faced lies about secret requests to the EU competition commission to force Oracle to allow him & friends to take a fork of MySQL proprietary? He is not an honest person, and has demonstrated this clearly.

    1. Re:why would anybody trust this guy??? by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The reason why people might trust him is because he provided ammunition to those who believe that computer software should be proprietary products created by major corporations. Some people really think that, so they'd believe him because he confirmed their own biases which helped them prove to themselves how smart they are.

      It would be sort of like believing somebody who claims (with no proof whatsoever) that Microsoft is using GPL'd code in its proprietary products and should be sued into oblivion - If I think that already, somebody else saying it gives me the feeling of "Hey, I'm right, and I'm smart!" (even though really I'm not necessarily right, and not smart about believing that person)

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  7. If he worked for a magazine writing this stuff by voss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He would be fired and escorted out of the building right about now. Since he's a "consultant" he will probably survive although I suspect his value as a shill for oracle has plummeted. Im wondering if the Cigarette industry needs a new spokesman or maybe OJ simpson?

  8. Re:PJ has her own biases by Spad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone has biases, as long as we know what they are and why they are we're able to make informed decisions about the information they provide us. The problem comes when people don't disclose things like employment by somebody they're biased in favour of because then we lack the information we need to make our decisions.

  9. Bias is not a problem,ethics is by voss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone can have an opinion. Muellers problem is he was getting paid for his opinions and didnt disclose that to his readers.

  10. Re:PJ has her own biases by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Interesting

    PJ might have her own agenda but it is not motivated by one side paying her. I've always questioned Florian's stance as well as his logic. Read his posts in lwn where he tried to frame it that Google violated the Linux GPL and copyright by using creating new header files in Android. When told repeatedly by others (including some who have code in Linux) that Google creating new headers does not violate anything because (1) the header files in question were created for compatibility which is allowed, (2) header files unless they contain some sort of unique logic (which they did not) are not copyrightable, and (3) for there to be violation, the Linus et al must object (which they did not).

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  11. Re:This just shows paranoid FOSS fanatics are by Rakishi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't matter, if he says bad stuff about Oracle then likely Oracle won't keep paying him. It doesn't matter what they were paying him for. It could have been to walk the company dogs. You don't pay people who are hurting you unless you really need them.

    In that same vein, you're more likely to get paid even more if you report favorably on Oracle even if you're not paid to do so.

    All of this is basic human nature and companies are in the end run by humans.

    So the very fact that Oracle was giving him money means he now has a monetary incentive to report favorably for Oracle.

  12. The disturbing thing is not this revelation by dell623 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The disturbing thing is not this revelation itself, which would not surprise anyone who regularly reads his blog. It is the most logical thing that a paid consultant/analyst is being paid by the two companies he just happens to favour enormously in his posts.
    The disturbing thing is how his comments are reproduced verbatim by the big shots of the tech-news industry like ZDNet, PC Magazine etc, but also mainstream sources which are normally known as the last bastions of real journalism like the BBC, LA Times, Reuters etc.

    Thankfully now sites like Ars Technica and The Verge have stepped up their coverage of patent disputes, so he is not the only voice.

    At first it may seem that Florian Mueller doesn't pretend to be a journalist or unbiased and it's everyone else's fault for assuming he is. However, not only does he make repeated claims of being unbiased and neutral in his writing, he routinely emails his blog articles to all news sources he can think of (which is why he is so widely quoted and Groklaw is not).

    Don't believe me? Just search for Florian+Oracle or Florian+Google on Google News and see the who's who of journalism pop up with his quotes.

  13. Re:This just shows paranoid FOSS fanatics are by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're constantly being accused of shilling? You've only had an active account since yesterday. How many accusations can there be??

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  14. Re:PJ has her own biases by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And PJ has never hid her bias towards open source. That's why Groklaw was founded, for goodness sake. Sadly, she is also the favorite whipping boy (girl, sorry PJ) of every shill and astroturfer, particularly when they're outed. She's been honest from the beginning, but these guys, well, they're paid liars.

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  15. Re:This just shows paranoid FOSS fanatics are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bias and having an undisclosed conflict of interest are not remotely the same thing. All journalists have bias; hell all people have bias on all subjects, it's simply unavoidable. Good journalists try to minimize the effect of their personal bias on their reporting, and I think most people would freely admit that PJ is often lacking in this area. Although you could also make the case that most Groklaw articles are mix of commentary and reporting, and that it's not that hard to distinguish one from the other. However, having a blatant conflict of interest and not disclosing it is a massive breach of journalistic ethics that frankly completely destroys all credibility of the journalist. Conflicts of interest happen, and they don't necessarily preclude one from reporting and commenting on a given issue, but failure to disclose sends the message that the conflict did in fact taint his view, and he was deliberately trying to hide it. It is literally one of the worst things a journalist can do.

  16. Re:This just shows paranoid FOSS fanatics are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As always, Slashdot considers earning money to be the equivalent of being evil.

    The fact that Mueller is earning money is not the issue.

    The fact that Mueller is taking money from Oracle is also not the issue. It's also not the sole reason he's being accused of bias. It's just the latest nail in the coffin.

    The issue is that Mueller has been called on his "impartial analysis" several times already. Not by random people off the street, by his fellow techies. What started as suspicions was later proven right as the facts unfolded. And might just be shown once more as Oracle v Google progresses.

    He's being called biased because he is, demonstrably. His front as an "impartial analyst" among techies is shot. I hope Oracle is getting their moneys worth peddling him to the non-techie crowd, because from this point on that's the best he's good for.

  17. Re:This just shows paranoid FOSS fanatics are by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I guess I was wrong then. I always defended Florian against accusations of being a shill, thinking that he was just an idiot and that no company would knowingly pay someone as stupid as him. It seems Microsoft and Oracle have lower standards than I though...

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