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Review of the First Medfield Phone

Google85 writes "Beginning April 23rd, Intel, through Lava International, began selling the Xolo X900 smartphone in India for $420, Anandtech has just published a review of the smartphone which runs Android on x86 and uses binary translation as the mitigation for both libraries and NDK applications that haven't yet been ported to x86."

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  1. Yeah, but will they guarantee the fab space? by hendric · · Score: 2

    When push comes to shove, they make more money on PC CPUs. When they have a choice of making a wafer of high-margin vs low-margin CPUs, who do you think will win? Don't be surprised if there are major supply problems every time the PC market takes an uptick.

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  2. Why.. India? by smi.james.th · · Score: 2

    Am I the only one wondering why they're trying to make money off a $420 phone in India of all places? Surely that's a better market for cheaper, sturdier feature phones, like Nokias for example...

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    1. Re:Why.. India? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You'd be surprised just how large and healthy the cell phone market really is in India. Everyone there has a cell, from grannies to temple priests to guys on the street pulling carts of produce. Among the youth, smart phones are status symbols just like they are in North America, except probably even more people have them.

      I bet India is a vastly larger market than you think.

    2. Re:Why.. India? by vlm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      30% of 300 million in the USA is 90 mil
      They're poor in India despite sending most of our middle class jobs there and also to China, so we'll give them only 1/3 of the market penetration
      10% of 1.2 billion in India is 120 mil
      Looks like India is a better market than the US, or at least as more theoretical customers.

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    3. Re:Why.. India? by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 2

      the point is though, that whoever pushed this brand and phone had sales channels in india and india does have a sizable portion of tech geeks with money to burn on new platforms.

      Except that most of the brands Intel has tied up with are popular in India primarily for selling ultra cheap chinese rebranded phones
      Noone really buys phones worth more than USD 50 (100 at best) from them

  3. Re:Emulation layer? No thanks. by vlm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Aside from abstract contemplation of "progress" vs "backwards" it probably burns power and generates crazy heat.

    I have a X86 netbook on my desk running Android ICS. An old Asus EEE model 900. (my wife has like a 700 also running ICS). It works great, really. The keyboard, although icky netbook size, is better than any smartphone I've ever seen, and the speakers, although icky netbook speakers, are better than any phone or tablet speakers I've ever experienced. The problem is that even running non-emulated (limited selection) apps without an emu layer, it pumps out so much heat even just idling that the cooling fan never turns off. Whirr 24x7. I would imagine an emulation layer would consume even more power.

    I would theorize that much as laptops which burn laps are VERY old news, in the future, phones that burn ears and hands are going to be news.

    Who will make the first smartphone with a cooling fan? Or a monster solid aluminum heatsink case like a handheld land mobile or ham radio HT?

    My experiences show Android X86 would make a pretty good desktop OS for the average user. I'm looking into adding a desktop running android and putting it on the KVM with the other 4 machines on my desk at home (I guess making it my 5th machine)

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  4. Of course you're going to have to emulate by tepples · · Score: 2

    If all the existing applications for a given device class are designed for a different instruction set, then of course you're going to have to emulate if you want users of said applications to buy your device. Power Macintosh required a 68K emulation layer, Macintel required a PowerPC emulation layer, and Wii requires 6502 family, Z80, 68000, and MIPS emulation layers to make Virtual Console work. As for this device, it appears only NDK applications not yet distributed in an x86 edition will run in emulation. The rest (over 75% according to the article) will run in an x86 port of the Dalvik VM, and just as with the Macintosh ISA switches, library calls will of course run natively.

  5. Re:Emulation layer? No thanks. by tepples · · Score: 2

    I would imagine an emulation layer would consume even more power.

    Not always. A game running in PocketNES on a Game Boy Advance SP, especially later versions of PocketNES that can recognize common idle loops in NES games, doesn't use substantially more power than a native GBA game. And with a lot of Android applications spending most of their time either in libraries or blocking on I/O, the emulator isn't going to be running all the time.

  6. Indian Middle class is bigger than entire USA by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The population of India is huge. About 25% of them live below the poverty line. And another 25% have barely enough income to survive. 500 million such people drown out the other 500 million people with some disposable income. The top 25% of India are solidly middle class by American standards. They have steady income, are willing to spend humongous portions of their pay on their children's education. The predatory education industry makes more money than you can imagine. Anyway the richest of the rich live in a kind of opulence that defies comprehension. One guy named Mukesh Ambani built a private residence in downtown Mumbai for the cost of some 1 billion US dollars. It is a 25 story high rise as a private residence! Then some astrologer dude told him such wanton flaunting of wealth would attract the evil eye, and the owner decided not to live there!!!

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  7. India? by Compaqt · · Score: 2

    Is this a first? Premiering a phone in India?

    Going forward, as Chindia rises in income, is this going to become the new norm? With the huge markets in China and India (even as a fraction of their total populations), will they become the global arbiters of taste?

    Consider the case of 1920x1200 monitors. They're harder to find than a girl on Slashdot. They've all been replaced by 1920x1080 monitors because of economy of scale issues. So ... 15 years down the line, will 350 million people each in China and India dwarf the gadget markets in the US? (Yeah, I know, the mini-countries of Europe. But, again, two countries, two markets, hundreds of millions of people vs 35 markets.)

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  8. Re:Emulation layer? No thanks. by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 5, Informative

    Instead of theorizing why not look at their measured stats? The phone was pretty much as power efficient as current OMAP4 phones. Secondly, Intel is using static binary translation for native ARM NDK apps so there is no emulation layer running on the phone itself for that. In those cases Intel pushes an x86 binary out to the user that has been translated and validated on their side. For most things, though, they are straight Dalvik apps and so there is no more translation overhead than Dalvik on ARM.

  9. My summary for those that can't be bothered by GauteL · · Score: 2

    It is not amazing, but it is competitive. Battery life is average, performance is average. GPU performance is currently a bit below average, but this is a solid first attempt. It clearly proves that x86 CPUs can compete on battery life.

    The important question is this: why would you pick Intel over the established Android ARM cortex architecture? It is possible that price and Intel's famous production and supply can win over some manufacturers, but you'd expect something a bit more amazing was required to gain a considerable market share.

  10. Most of an app isn't emulated by tepples · · Score: 2

    Only those methods in the application that use JNI have to be emulated. The main body of the application runs in the Dalvik VM, and the Android system libraries are still native. Besides, the article mentions Intel's tech evangelism to the developers of top applications to get them recompiled.

  11. An x86 pocket PC by nephridium · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So it looks the performance and battery life are on par with the current crop of Android phones, but no one has mentioned the main advantage of the Intel device: binary compatibility with x86 architecture, i.e. tons of software that already exists. So there is huge potential of this being the first phone able to run windows and linux binaries by side-loading Debian/Ubuntu with Wine/Virtualbox.

    A 1.6GHz Atom should be enough to run Windows XP sufficiently fast, imagine using all your favorite desktop apps on your phone, the screen's not too shabby either with 1024x600. Sure, most won't be optimized for touch input, but that trade-off is worth it for this kind of flexibility. Apps with source code can have their touch-friendliness added, for those that really require a mouse and/or keyboard, those could be added via Bluetooth (or USB?). I see no reason why it wouldn't be able to run apps like desktop Firefox/Chrome (with touch-input extensions), Gimp/Photoshop, MS Office, VLC, maybe even XBMC, or games like Warcraft/Starcraft titles, Counter strike or Quake (I was really missing the Quake3 benchmarks in TFA ;)

    Connect it to a monitor and use it as a *real* PC that fits in your pocket and you can bring anywhere - how cool is that?

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    1. Re:An x86 pocket PC by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      The ability to run x86 linux binaries isn't all that useful, the vast majority of linux software is open source and is just a compile away from arm. The arm port of debian has pretty much all the same packages available for it as the x86 version.

      Firefox, chromium, gimp, vlc, xbmc, quake etc already run on arm, although on a touchscreen device people generally run touchscreen specific versions because the mouse/keyboard ui would be difficult to use.

      There is already at least one arm based phone that has a dock available to turn it into a laptop, although i believe the default software is quite weak there's no reason you couldn't install a full version of debian or gentoo on it.

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  12. Re:Missing the one real advantage of x86 by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Why didn't they just put Windows XP on it? Then it would be *really* useful ..."

    Sir, I was taking a sip of coffee when I read your post and you now owe me 1 keyboard.

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  13. Re:Missing the one real advantage of x86 by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    It is my understanding that the 'medfield' platform is missing some legacy details(like a PCI bus, or something that looks like one) without which XP, and possibly later versions, simply won't run.

    It's an x86; but it isn't really a member of the venerable 'IBM compatible' wintel family...