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Opus Dei To Hunt Down Vatican Whistle-Blowers

First time accepted submitter Aguazul2 writes "In a familiar story relocated into the bizarre world of the Vatican, a whistle-blower who brought to light excessive overpayments on contracts to friendly suppliers was sent to the USA as punishment, and further sources of leaks are now being hunted down by a crack team headed by an 82-year old Opus Dei cardinal. It's just like Wikileaks, only with parchment and quills — probably."

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  1. Which is why... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...we need anonymity systems. People who are afraid to report unethical behavior are less likely to report it (shocking!), and whistleblower protections are neither universal nor reliable.

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    1. Re:Which is why... by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why yes, because corruption in non-religious areas is unheard of.

      Corruption is highest in areas where the people have the reputation of being incorruptible/working for the public good.
      Religions are in this group, but so are...
      Unions,
      Activist Organizations,
      Health Services,
      Government Services,
      Education,
      Science...

      Actually I am willing to bet the areas where there is less corruption (At least in corruption/dollar) is probably in business as everyone expects them to already be corrupt.

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    2. Re:Which is why... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Informative

      You do realize that the Vatican is a sovereign state, right? The Vatican has the right to structure their reporting structure any way they want. It is not a democracy. In a democracy, the government is theoretically answerable to the people and therefore the people have a claim to being informed by whistleblowers as to inappropriate behavior on the part of government officials (and therefore whistleblower protections should exist to some degree in a democracy). The Vatican on the other hand is not in anyway a democracy. The various officials of the Vatican government are only theoretically answerable up the chain of command to the Pope, who is, theoretically, answerable to no power on earth. Someone in the Vatican government who reports inappropriate behavior to someone outside of the Vatican government hierarchy is not a "whistleblower", as, theoretically, there is no one outside of the Vatican government to blow the whistle to, they are, instead, a traitor (I am not sure if that is the correct word from the perspective of Vatican governance, but if it isn't, I am not sure what is). They have betrayed their commitments as a member of that organization (similar to someone who had reported such actions by a government official of the USSR to a western government).

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    3. Re:Which is why... by Jessified · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would argue that corruption is prevalent in business but that we just don't call it corruption. When a business does something morally despicable for money, they are serving their shareholders.

      Buy some legislation? Just serving their profit motive, it's the politicians that are corrupt, amirite?

    4. Re:Which is why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Vatican is a "sovereign" state, in that its sovereignty hinges on the Italian Government continuing to honor the treaties between the two that have set aside Vatican City as such.

      What is worse imho is how the Roman Catholic Church can flaunt local governments with this so-called "sovereignty" with regards to the affairs of the Church and its actors in those countries. So, does a whistleblower from the Catholic Church need to somehow make their way to a foreign embassy, then, and seek asylum? That's pretty fucked up.

      Perhaps the British were right way back when w.r.t. the Catholic Church.

      Theocracy, gloria Dei! /s

    5. Re:Which is why... by evilRhino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Traitor is such a loaded word, and is misused in this context I think. A wife that leaves her abusive husband is a traitor. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and many others were traitors also.

    6. Re:Which is why... by hey! · · Score: 3, Informative

      First point: the Vatican has its own law (canon law) which everyone is supposed to follow, despite the monarchical form of government everyone is supposed to follow. So it is possible for somebody to be a whistlblower, although that itself is a crime under canon law. That's why the clergy sex abuse scandal went on so long. Canon law precludes doing anything that would bring disrepute upon the church, which is why pedophiles weren't turned over to the police.

      Second point: one of the people they are looking for is a person who suggested that the Vatican has more information about the 1983 disappearance of two fifteen year-old girls who held dual Italian-Vatican citizenship. That makes this an international incident. Their disappearance happened during a dispute between Italian organized crime and the Vatican bank. The mob had been laundering money through Banco Ambrosiano, an Italian bank in which the Vatican bank had controlling interest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Calvi#The_Banco_Ambrosiano_scandal). The implication is that the girls were kidnapped to put pressure on the Vatican to make good the Mafia's losses.

      That sounds a bit Dan Browne, but after he was killed in a mob hit, an Italian gangster named Enrico de Pedis was granted burial in a Vatican basilica, an honor normally reserved for cardinals. The speculation is that this was a pay off for brokering a settlement between the Vatican bank and the mob.

      The point is that it's not like the Vatican can operate in a vacuum. There are Italian interests involved here: Italian citizens, companies, and mobsters. The Banco Ambrosiano affair also involves the forgery of US securities.

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    7. Re:Which is why... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Informative

      The "legality" of a government is usually tied to some kind of justification as to how it is entitled to act as a government. There are various forms of justifications. Some a bit more outdated than the others, but none are less or more valid from a purely objective point of view. If you do not accept a non-democratic government, that's your prerogative, but it's not yours to tell anyone whether he should or should not respect the rule of someone.

      The Vatican chose to be an elective monarchy (the only one left, btw). And as long as the marjority of those concerned (read: the majority of roman catholics) accepts this legitimation, it's valid.

      It's a bit like money. It only has some value as long as people believe in its value.

      Personally, I would not accept that kind of government as mine either. But it's not on me to tell the Vatican that it cannot be an elective monarchy.

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  2. Hope they make an Anime of it by TJ_Phazerhacki · · Score: 4, Funny

    Most of the Catholic-church-secret-agent ones are pretty fun to watch...

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    1. Re:Hope they make an Anime of it by sandytaru · · Score: 3, Informative

      Any time Japan tackles anything related to Christianity in an anime the results tend to be quite awesome. Wolfwood from Trigun is probably still my favorite. (Not Catholic, but still awesome-funny.)

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    2. Re:Hope they make an Anime of it by Ihmhi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't forget Alexander Maxwell from Hellsing and Rosette Christopher from Chrno Crusade!

  3. What's new here again? by hackula · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Has the Vatican not been wasting vast amounts of gullible people's money on stupid shit for over a millennium?

  4. Re:But.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Opus....?

    This is the penguin from Bloom County, right?

    When did he become a cardinal???? Last time I heard he was still with Bill the Cat in the band Deathtongue!!!!

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  5. Whistle blower - really by approachingZero+ · · Score: 3, Funny

    Never would have thought having a reputation as a whistle blower in the Catholic church would have been a career killer. Matter of fact I would have thought it would result some serious upward mobility.

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  6. First order from the Cardinal: by Fned · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Round up all the choir boys, we need to probe them to see if they've ever leaked."

  7. So much for the morality of the Vatican by StillNeedMoreCoffee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Keep your legs crossed and your mouth shut, expect in the confessional where you can tell us all but no one else. Whats wrong with this picture?

  8. my MIT classmate works at Vatican by peter303 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I assure you its more up to date than pens-and-quills. He is one of their dozen astronomers and they have state-of-art observatories around the world .

    1. Re:my MIT classmate works at Vatican by iztaru · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, come on!

      Please read history before you post.

      The only reason Galileo was not burned alive is because he was a close friend to the pope.

      It was his colleges who wanted him death because his ideas were against the ideas they had based their entire carriers on.

      The academic establishment is even more reluctant to change than the catholic church.

  9. Dan Brown help us all!!! by dryriver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Must... find... albino... assassin... religionfreak... and... send... him... after... whistleblowers... (Amen?) ------ But seriously, what a weird story this is. Isn't the Vatican supposed to be all about "The Truth Shall Set Thee Free" because, erm, Christian belief mandates it? So what is wrong with a little whistleblowing? Why is someone exposing the truth even a "whistleblower" in this particular case? Very strange story all around...

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  10. Typical Vatican thinking by wickerprints · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let me clearly state from the outset that I bear no ill will against any individual Catholics who wish to abide by the religion of their choosing. But to look at the long history of the corruption and arrogance of the Catholic hierarchy and not feel completely outraged is to facilitate their wrongdoing.

    Just two recent examples: First, the child rape scandal. It was going on for decades, while superior members of the clergy would help cover up the abuse of children by pedophile priests by shuffling them around, colluding with local law enforcement to intimidate families, and paying hush money. To this day they fight the allegations, trying to minimize the impact of what they did and frame their actions as that of a small number of isolated "deviant homosexual" priests, while complaining about paying money to victims that they could be using "for the greater good." They don't talk about making reparations or holding accountable the officials who turned a blind eye or even assisted in the systemic corruption of covering up these atrocities.

    Second example: this case. So the Vatican has been shown to be corrupt in its financial dealings, and what is their reaction? Hunt down the whistleblowers, rather than punish the ones doing the actual crime! It's the same kind of thinking--what threatens the Church, in their view, is not the failure to do the morally proper thing. It's whomever exposes their leadership for the arrogant crimes they commit under the guise of being holy.

    I don't understand how Catholics can sanctify these dirty old men as the self-appointed leaders of their faith. If that's what your spirit tells you, then maybe you should consider the possibility that you're being held spiritually hostage by these people as a way to further their power, and the reality is that if you truly want to be closer to God, there are far better ways to do that than through these morally bankrupt charlatans.

  11. Re:News for Nerds by Jeng · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Although the story is interesting, this is not the place for it.

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  12. That scratching sound you hear... by sootman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... is Dan Brown furiously scribbling notes for his next book.

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  13. Re:Crack team? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Funny that a religious organization would hunt down whistleblowers, but provide shelter for child molesters.

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  14. Re:No one expects the Spanish Inquistion! by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unfortunately, you got bad information. Let's get you started on the basics first: Start here.

    It ain't the "Spanish Inquisition" as you and GP were talking about. That particular group is detailed here, and ran independently of the Vatican (it was a pet project of the Spanish crown). Surprisingly, as an institution the Spanish Inquisition lasted into the 19th Century.

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  15. The purpose of confession, to the cynical by Quila · · Score: 4, Insightful

    God supposedly already knows your sins whether you tell them or not. In fact, he knows them before you even commit the sins, or before you even think of committing them first place. Telling a priest does nothing.

    Thus the purpose of confession is so that the Church has the goods on everybody in the community.

  16. Re:No one expects the Spanish Inquistion! by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 4, Funny

    This will be the Italian Inquisition. We should expect it to be much like the Spanish Inquisition, but instead of burning books there will be zapping Blackberries and iPads with staff weapons.

    Oh, the humor will be different, too. Less wry; more pratfalls.

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  17. Re:Religion by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think your post can be one of two things. Since I'm a charitable sort, I'm going to assume it's very witty and not a simple troll from a 12 year old. Here's why:

    A few years ago, I was approached by a customer to create 1500 bumper stickers that said "Gay Guys Suck!". My boss got all squeamish, and was really hesitant to do this, as he didn't want our company to be seen as "anti-gay". I couldn't help but laugh at his discomfort, and went ahead with the job anyway.

    The customer that wanted the stickers was a buddy of one of my buddies, and they were intending to hand them out at the gay pride parade in Salt Lake City (which is a surprisingly popular event here). The design was a psychedelic rainbow with black text. Oh, and when I say "buddies" I mean two guys that have been together for 15 years, and attend each and every pride parade, doing something like this each and every year.

    The sticker was *designed* to generate a knee-jerk response from people who just don't get it, in a very clever version of "Bwahaha... sometimes you straight folks are so silly when you try not to be awkward..."

    Don't always take what people say at seeming face value; sometimes there's a deeper concept you might be missing. The above post could actually be pretty clever, viewed in the right light.