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Apple Planning To Build Private Restaurant

First time accepted submitter a90Tj2P7 writes "Apple is building a 21,468 square foot private restaurant in Cupertino so employees can talk shop over lunch without being overheard. Apple's director of real estate facilities, Dan Wisenhunt, stated that: 'We like to provide a level of security so that people and employees can feel comfortable talking about their business, their research and whatever project they're engineering without fear of competition sort of overhearing their conversations.'"

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  1. lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    >apple
    >research

    nice try

    1. Re:lol by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Funny

      In unrelated news, many Samsung employees are now trying to find a new place to eat.

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  2. Xerox - "damn, why didnt we think of that" by decora · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Adele Goldberg -- "actually, i did think of that, and told you guys, but you ignored me"

    Consumer - "and that democratization of information between Xerox, Apple, and Microsoft brought technology to the masses and created the computer revolution of the 80s and 90s"

    Apple CEO - "and we cant have that again, because the 80s and 90s were brutal for the entrenched interests. like Xerox"

    Google - "no shit. thats why you shouldnt base your fucking business model on making information secret, when your entire history has been based on borrowing ideas from other people"

    1. Re:Xerox - "damn, why didnt we think of that" by mad+flyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd rather have companies "stealing" information from each others (maybeee apple)
      Rather than megacorporation systematically stockpiling private information from the whole planet population (Google Dark Empire of Doom)

    2. Re:Xerox - "damn, why didnt we think of that" by alen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that all of google's algorithms that their business depends on are secret

      Maybe google should release all their secrets as well?

    3. Re:Xerox - "damn, why didnt we think of that" by icebraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny, considering the algorithm most important to them - PageRank - is described publicly in a patent. Not to mention that it doesn't even belong to Google, but to Stanford University (since it was developed by Page and Brin as a research project).

    4. Re:Xerox - "damn, why didnt we think of that" by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Except that all of google's algorithms that their business depends on are secret

      Maybe google should release all their secrets as well?

      From a competition standpoint: It doesn't matter now. Google could release every secret in their search algorithm, and no competitor would be able to compete because it's the collected data that's important. Without the search data, the algorithm is near useless -- You'd be starting from scratch and they have how many years of a head start?

      From a user standpoint -- I sure as hell hope they don't release their algorithms. Do you like link-bait and search spam clouding your search results? I don't. As long as they disclose what information they collect, then it's fine with me. Sure people can figure out how to game the system, but the algorithms can also be changed behind the scenes.

      To those who argue the "security through obscurity is no security" fallacy: What about 256 bits of obscurity? What about 512 bits of obscurity? 1024? 2048? Our whole security infrastructure is built on obscurity, tiny obscure secrets of the 1's and 0's -- Individually: not secure; All chained together: Obscurity is Very Secure. If the secret key isn't "obscured" in PKI, it would have no security at all.

    5. Re:Xerox - "damn, why didnt we think of that" by Nadir · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And that it is derived from the earlier Hyper Search algorithm developed by Massimo Marchiori at the Università di Padova.

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  3. I hope by kelemvor4 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hope they serve more than just apples.

    1. Re:I hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My guess is it'll be a mix of Japanese inspired cuisine (borderline overly-santized pretty food) and yippie (yuppie+hippie) food. I'm kidding about that, but really this sounds depressing to me. Apple employees are known for not being allowed to have lives -- you'll find plenty of Google, Facebook, and other South Bay company employees living in San Francisco, but not Apple employees -- and this is just part of that isolated lifestyle. I used to want to work there, but there are much better options for employers that give you that type of pedigree on your resume.

    2. Re:I hope by jcr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      you'll find plenty of Google, Facebook, and other South Bay company employees living in San Francisco, but not Apple employees

      Really? Then why does Apple run a fleet of busses between Cupertino and San Francisco every day?

      Got anything else you want to make up like that?

      -jcr

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    3. Re:I hope by shugah · · Score: 4, Funny

      It will undoubtedly have a walled garden.

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  4. Sssh. don't tell them about cell phones or tablets by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they don't know those have microphones and cameras, they won't realize security is a waste of time.

    or that you can hear everything just by the vibrations off of the windows.

    be vewwy vewwy quiet, I'm hunting trilobytes.

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  5. Next up... by poity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    employee dorms to prevent honey trap operations.

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    1. Re:Next up... by siddesu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And next - entry and exit permits will be required. Been there, but it was a whole government in charge.

  6. Re:House passes CISPA by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oops looks like there is a bug, /., this post belongs to another story :-)

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  7. Employees can talk without being overheard... by DWMorse · · Score: 5, Funny

    And lose iPhone prototypes without being publicly embarrassed.

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  8. What's new? by Snowgen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've worked for big companies, and for startups. I have to say that on-campus dining facilities are pretty standard for big companies. We normally call them "cafeterias" but if you want to call it a restaurant knock yourself out.

    Not to mention that Google's in-house chefs are a thing of legend. I really don't see what's news here.

    1. Re:What's new? by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't believe I had to scroll down this far before someone pointed this out. "Apple to set up an employee cafeteria" is some kind of news item? What about "Apple adds 25 spaces to parking lot D," or "Apple to install new urinals on the fourth floor." Remind me why we should give a crap about this.

    2. Re:What's new? by Greystripe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well if it's urinals I'd think they'd really want you to not give a crap.

  9. They've run out of space...and this is news? by Elfboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple has a wonderful cafeteria and a seriously epic variety of food, they are just out of space (food stations are being set up outside etc...). Makes perfect sense for them to house a larger "restaurant" (aka cafeteria) so employees don't have to head out to the local BJ's. Why is this being spun as an OMG Apple is too wealthy and splurging. Yahoo and others have freaking DMV and hairstyling services for employees (okay maybe Yahoo is not the best example here....)

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    1. Re:They've run out of space...and this is news? by dsyu · · Score: 2

      Cafe Macs is great, but yes, ridiculously crowded at noon -- better get there by 11:30 if you want a table.

      And that BJ's has got to go -- bland food and below average beer for exorbitant prices in a dull setting

  10. Surprised they had not done this earlier by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    Seriously, many of the reasons for building in-house cafes was to allow those kinds of discussions to occur. Yet, many conversations occur outside in other restaurants. As such, they should have the dining room divided into multiple sections so that it is possible to have conversation with outsiders, but not having others listening in.

    Also, they should seriously consider the idea of having multiple kitchens in it, and allow new chefs that come up with new concepts test it out there and then fund them for other restaurants if it is liked.

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  11. Re:Whatever will they call it? by wiedzmin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Applebee's

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  12. Re:Sounds like self-aggrandization by gstrickler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ah, yes. Blind loyalty and marketing. This explains why approaching 50% of their customers have never owned an Apple product before. Why they have the largest digital music download store, the best selling digital music player, the best selling cell phone, the highest customer satisfaction rating, and the best profit margins in the industry.

    Whatever kool-aid you're drinking is working.

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  13. Re:Cafeteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Only a slashtard is arrogant enough to call Apple arrogant for calling it a private restaurant when the only source to use that term was friggin' CNet. It's an addition to the Apple campus containing a cafeteria, lounge, and meeting rooms.

  14. Re:Whatever will they call it? by mschaffer · · Score: 2, Funny

    How about "Walled Garden"?

  15. Re:Cafeteria by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

    Um no. The author of the article called it a private restaurant. No one from Apple called it that. The author also says that's the commission calls it but they might have used "dining facility". From the article the author also says:

    The facility will have two stories, meetings rooms, lounge areas, conference rooms, storage lockers, an underground parking lot, and, yes, even restrooms.

    It doesn't sound like it's just a restaurant or cafeteria but a building annex of some sort.

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  16. Re:Sounds like self-aggrandization by Sancho · · Score: 2

    Any other company could do what they do.

    You'd think that they would, then. It seems to be profitable.

  17. US Secret Service Plans to Build Own Strip Club by theodp · · Score: 2

    Problem solved, declares DHS Chief Janet Napolitano.

  18. Re:Sounds like self-aggrandization by Karlt1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many companies do what Apple does, and do it even better in many cases

    "Doing it better" in business means more profitably or at least with better margins. Which company is "doing it better than Apple"?

  19. so would lunch there be mandatory? by marxz · · Score: 2

    Not surprise, indeed kind of surprised it's 1: not already the case, 2: it would raise any interest external to the enterprise concerned, In fact in house restaurants or cafes (or for the down market canteens) are pretty much De jure for most of the large research organisations I've worked for. Actually one good thing about them is it encourages conversation between areas that would normally not have communications beyond hierarchical memo passing and divisional manager meetings so, for a not entirely hypothetical example - people from the material sciences area end up talking over lunch to people from the electronic engineering area and people from the remote sensing area and so a project is born to build more resistant tidal sensors that don't need to be replaced every 3 or 4 months.

    1. Re:so would lunch there be mandatory? by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2

      Not surprise, indeed kind of surprised it's 1: not already the case,

      It is already the case. It's just a longer walk from, say, Bandley 3, although you can walk to Caffe Macs from Bandley 3.

      2: it would raise any interest external to the enterprise concerned,

      It's Apple - if somebody replaces a toilet tank in IL1, somebody will think it's one of the most significant world events of the day.

  20. The Menu by Renderer+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Funny

    1. Walled Garden Salad
    2. Beleaguered Sea Bass
    3. ThaiPad

  21. I've heard of this before... by jd2112 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Most larger companies have one of these. It's called a cafeteria.

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  22. So how did this conversation go? by istartedi · · Score: 2

    Manager: We're building a fancy new cafeteria, just like Google and a lot of other Si Valley companies.

    Assistant: Very good sir. Shall I alert the media?

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  23. Re:Sounds like self-aggrandization by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So you're saying that every other company in the consumer electronics biz has lousy marketing?

    At some point it's gotta break for you apple haters. Apple is popular because they put out products people like. No more, no less.

    If it was purely marketing, why hasn't anyone out done apple?

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  24. Re:Sounds like self-aggrandization by jo_ham · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You've listed one of the very important parts to producing a successful product and/or service, yes. Well done.

    Putting Apple's success *entirely* on "marketing and blind loyalty" is one of the biggest reasons Apple does so well while others flounder. It's very easy to dismiss their success out of hand without understanding what it is they do so well.

    If it really is "so easy" and that "any company could do what they do" (as the original AC post claimed) then... why aren't they? The goal of a company is to make money. If what Apple is doing is so easy then surely there should be lots of companies rolling in cash?

    I'm honestly curious. If it's all 100% marketing, why isn't anyone else doing it? Surely other companies can hire marketing people too, right?

  25. Re:Private restaurant? by jo_ham · · Score: 3, Informative

    So does Apple, to this day.

    Blame Cnet for the embellishment. Maybe they thought the headline "Apple builds cafeteria" wouldn't draw so many page hits? Couldn't possibly be that!

  26. Re:Sounds like self-aggrandization by KC1P · · Score: 2

    I did a summer internship at Apple in the late 80s and I'm sure things have changed quite a bit since then, but still one thing I thought was pretty clever of them as out-in-the-open evil schemes go was that they made it very very easy for employees to have no life outside of work. There was *tons* of social stuff built into work (happy hour every Friday afternoon, off-site stuff like going to a ball game or an amusement park with your group during work hours), and there were showers in the building and sleeping in your cube was tolerated. Adding a nice restaurant seems obvious -- one more thing covered that might otherwise make you leave work.

  27. Re:Sounds like self-aggrandization by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. Apple's marketing people are the best in the consumer electronics industry.

    2. Their top management always knew that they were a CONSUMER electronics company. Not a computer company that also made some accessories. Not a technology company or a software company, although they were really good at those things too.

    Apple's phone doesn't employ much more advanced tech than high-end Android phones.
    Apple's music store doesn't employ any technology that its competitors don't have.
    There's nothing unusually compelling about their music players -- any more.

    Their distinction is that they got there first.

    There are two aspects of marketing where Apple really excelled. The first is conventional marketing: push, push, push that product. The second (which is really the first) is that Apple, unlike its competition, wasn't afraid to go out and create a market where one didn't exist. That's always been part of Apple's business model. It started with the Apple computer. They were the first company to really market computers to home users. They didn't INVENT computers or even computers that could have been sold directly to consumers. They were just the first to ignore their fear that the market wouldn't accept them.

    Apple was right out front with the digital music players and a digital music store. Then they were the first to bring music to phones. It's not like nobody had thought of this before. It was all being discussed in electronics companies across the the USA and Japan. Lots of engineers had great ideas for how this would work. They all knew how these things could be done. But at these other companies management wasn't interested in taking a risk on introducing a new category of consumer product. Apple was all about that risk.

    Steve Jobs, specifically, wanted to be first because he knew how much being first was worth.

  28. OMFG LOL by Osgeld · · Score: 2

    The Apple Restaurant #1 seller is simply a whopper in a new wrapper that will only cost you 14.99 + tax + applecare with no pickles or onions to spare you any chance of heartburn, and any modifications must be approved by the CEO, but may be revoked later

    Have it your way!

  29. Re:Chatter between member of different teams at Ap by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I recall signs on the wall at the cafeteria on Apple's main campus that warned employees not to chat about their work

    I worked there for three and a half years as an employee, and I've been back twice as a consultant, and I've never seen any such signs.

    -jcr

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  30. Re:Sounds like self-aggrandization by profplump · · Score: 2

    So your explanation is that Apple has a dominate position because they have a dominate position. That makes perfect sense, unless there was some point in the past when Apple was near failure, had virtually no capital, and a negligible market share in all their market segments. But if that was ever the case I guess we can just say "magic" got them to where they are, so we don't have to admit anyone ever wanted to buy an Apple product on its merits.

  31. Re:Sounds like self-aggrandization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They never got there first. There were other computers, tablets, other music players, other music stores, other phones with music. You're talking out your ass.

    Apple has excellent marketing, yes. Microsoft spends tons on marketing too, but theirs sucks.

    What Apple did was to make tech delightful. Simple and elegant. They ditched floppies first. They made it really easy to buy music and put it on a portable device and make playlists without a tutorial. They did something unprecedented when they made the iPhone-- at home activation. I was waiting in line on release day (for the mother-in-law) a hundred people or so from the from the front, yet I walked out with two iPhones 45 minutes after they opened the doors. (then I wisely waited two days before attempting to activate). For the first time, using a web browser on a phone was fun instead of a disappointment.

    Look at the consumer section of Dell's on-line store. Look at Apple's on-line store. Now which one is more scary to a non-technical person looking for a personal laptop? Do they want the Intel Core i3, the 2nd Gen Intel Core i3, the 2nd Gen Intel Core i5, the... Do they want IKEA laptop covers? Or do they instead want something that "Handles daily tasks with ease" but is rated 3/5 stars.

    The Jukebox 6000, and its successor the Jukebox Studio (see below), used standard USB 1.1 technology, transferring data at a maximum rate of 1 MB per second. These models transfer data at a comparably slow rate compared with succeeding Archos devices using the USB 2.0 standard.

    Regarding the popular predecessor to the iPod line, the Archos Jukebox, Wikipedia has this to say:
    This device was released Saturday, December 9, 2000 and discontinued as of Friday, May 16, 2003. It weighs 350 g.
    The Jukebox is historically notable for shipping with a user interface and operating system so unfriendly and bug-ridden as to inspire Björn Stenberg and other programmers to begin to develop a superior, free and open-source replacement operating system. This project became Rockbox.[citation needed]

    Apple isn't so much about making "new categories of consumer product" as they are about finding broken categories of overly complex and unsatisfactory products and re-imagining them as delightful products. I've supported family on Windows and on Macs.. once they get Macs, they don't call me even 1/10th as much for support issues.

  32. Re:Sounds like self-aggrandization by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's always been part of Apple's business model. It started with the Apple computer. They were the first company to really market computers to home users.

    Wild guess, are you around 13 years old?

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