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Face Recognition Maps History Via Art

Posted by Soulskill on from the computers-confused-by-lack-of-eyebrows dept.

mikejuk writes "Face recognition techniques usually come with a certain amount of controversy. A new application, however, is unlikely to trigger any privacy concerns — because all of the subjects are long dead. 'FACES: Faces, Art, and Computerized Evaluation Systems' will attempt to apply face recognition software to portraits. Three University of California, Riverside researchers have just received funding to try and piece together the who's who in history. 'Almost every portrait painted before the 19th century was of a person of some importance. As families fell on hard times, many of these portraits were sold and the identities of these subjects were lost. The question we hope to answer is, can we restore these identities?' If the algorithm can be fine tuned we can look forward to the digitized collections of museums and art galleries around the world suddenly yielding a who-knew-who social network graph that could put more science, and computer science at that, into history."

36 comments

  1. So it's not enough to constantly rape the privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of people who are alive today? Now you also have to do it with long since dead people? Sigh.

    Fight for privacy.

  2. Just Imagine... by busyqth · · Score: 4, Funny

    Think of the possibilities...
    If I could know for sure that the eldest daughter of the 1st Earl of Huntshire was a good friend of the young wife of the wealthy merchant heir James Strickthorpe, well... it would completely change my life.

    1. Re:Just Imagine... by stms · · Score: 1

      Great now even dead people are jumping on the social networking craze.

    2. Re:Just Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now we will be able to find that meddlesome time-lord that keeps cropping up and ruining our history books.

    3. Re:Just Imagine... by LienRag · · Score: 1

      Actually if this could work (which I'm not certain since painting is not an exact science, and since computers and software are not fairy-build devices that can magically transform low-quality inputs in high-quality outputs) it could have quite an importance in social history.

  3. Facebook by programmerar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Waiting for Facebook to auto enroll them, give them a timeline and a social graph.

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  4. It's thee olde Facebook by TheTruthIs · · Score: 1

    I wonder if it will allow to poke some prussian chicks.

    1. Re:It's thee olde Facebook by busyqth · · Score: 1

      Not being sure what you were implying, I image searched for "prussian chicks".
      Now you and I may have different tastes, and I can't say that the uniforms were all that bad, but the moustaches and rifles are kind of off-putting in my opinion.

    2. Re:It's thee olde Facebook by PPH · · Score: 2

      Perhaps you'll change your mind after a long Prussian winter.

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  5. Maybe this will determine who the girl was by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in Manet's Déjeuner sur l'herbe (1863), and what transpired with the two well-dressed gents afterwards.

  6. who-knew-who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't that be who-knew-whom? Just pointing out the important stuff that matters.

    1. Re:who-knew-who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't that be who-knew-whom? Just pointing out the important stuff that matters.

      To nerds who natter.

  7. Dead people want privacy too... by crdotson · · Score: 1

    I'm dead and I want privacy too, you insensitive clod!

    1. Re:Dead people want privacy too... by JWSmythe · · Score: 2

          There's a real case there. Imagine a vampire, who has changed his identity every 20 to 30 years for centuries. He'd fake his own death, and move on with enough riches to start over.

          Now they'll have a lineage of the names he used, where he lived, and quite likely be able to identify trends in his feeding patterns. The truth will be known, and there will be nowhere for him to hide. The lineage of his crimes will haunt him forever.

          I guess the important part of that is, if vampires were real. Imagine being the walking dead, and trying to get a drivers license, passport, or other photo ID. It'd be damned near impossible.

          You know, that'd probably make a pretty good TV show. They could pair him with a ghost and werewolf. They could show him trying to live life in a big city, like London or Boston, for example. Nah, that'd never work. :)

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  8. ask an Artist by ozduo · · Score: 1

    a good portrait is more about capturing a persons persona than their likeness. A portrait that sells is all about gilding the lilly.

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  9. Putting more science into history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sounds suspiciously like what has happened to academic economics.

    An attempt to make the subject more "scientific" resulted in in excessive reliance on mathematical models, and a focus on the questions that fitted neatly into these models rather than the questions that are most significant for the real world.

    Creating a graph of who-knows-who is an interesting side issue, but it is of little significance in the big picture.

  10. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's just the Goatse of it's day.

  11. Relatives by Teunis · · Score: 1

    I'm sure to have relatives amongst that lot - and given how much of my life has been affected by stuff my ancestors did, I'm pretty confident that this will help.

    And I have an archive of photos.

    Many of our ancestors did amazing things. Sometimes wonderful, sometimes terrible - but definitely amazing.

  12. a sham by khipu · · Score: 2

    That kind of project is a sham. Face recognition software works by precise geometric measurements and by identifying unique and precise skin patterns. Neither of those are present in paintings. Paintings vary a lot more and still require human abilities to interpret facial characteristics.

    1. Re:a sham by WillHirsch · · Score: 1

      Would you mind expanding on what humans use for face recognition that isn't yet present in software algorithms? I'm sure you know what you're talking about but it seems counterintuitive to me when I perceive most painted portraits to reproduce faces just as faithfully as a candid, poorly-lit Facebook photo, the latter of which is easily recognised by software.

    2. Re:a sham by khipu · · Score: 1

      Face recognition algorithms (at least the ones that work well enough for practical use) recognize faces based on exact shape and appearance. Humans often use characteristics and qualitative deviations from "normal" faces. That's why humans have no problems recognizing caricatures like these: http://tinyurl.com/d8pq9f6 Computers can't do that yet. Paintings tend to be more like caricatures, not photos.

      And face recognition in Facebook usually only has a few dozen people to choose from, with a high probability that the same faces occur again. In art, you have tens of thousands of faces and a low probability that any one occurs multiple times.

    3. Re:a sham by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      That kind of project is a sham. Face recognition software works by precise geometric measurements and by identifying unique and precise skin patterns. Neither of those are present in paintings. Paintings vary a lot more and still require human abilities to interpret facial characteristics.

      That must explain why picasa keeps recognizing artwork and sculptures in my pictures.

    4. Re:a sham by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      Paintings tend to be more like caricatures, not photos

      Yes you are right, I could barely tell the difference between those cartoons and the Mona Lisa, or any other portrait.

    5. Re:a sham by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      And face recognition in Facebook usually only has a few dozen people to choose from, with a high probability that the same faces occur again. In art, you have tens of thousands of faces and a low probability that any one occurs multiple times.

      Are you trying to say that there are only a few dozen users on facebook? My picasa album has close to 200 people I've identified, and several thousand other people that I haven't bothered to give names to.
      It seems to me that the real issue is when there is only one or two paintings of one person. But it still seems like a fascinating research topic.

    6. Re:a sham by khipu · · Score: 1

      You're confusing face detection and face recognition.

    7. Re:a sham by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, I gave you a brief explanation of what the difference is. If you want to know more, get off your lazy a** and read the reviews on this stuff instead of continuing to display your ignorance.

    8. Re:a sham by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      Picasa does a pretty good job with grouping similar faces together as well. It is perfect, but I assume a project like this would have some better algorithms.

    9. Re:a sham by khipu · · Score: 1

      Why would you assume that "a project like this would have better algorithms"? Do you think that art historians have some storehouse of algorithms that are just unknown to Google's stable of top engineers and scientists?

  13. We'll call the site... by bdwoolman · · Score: 3, Funny

    CorpseBook.

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  14. If they really want to ease privacy concerns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then hopefully they will make their software free/open-source

    1. Re:If they really want to ease privacy concerns by WillHirsch · · Score: 1

      ...because nothing would be better for privacy than giving anyone with a computer a robust means to connect a stranger to any identity they posted publicly online with a photo ever.

  15. System may not recognize the subject.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...but it may actually identify the artist. It is a well-known phenomenon that portraits often have facial characteristics more closely associated to the *artists* face, not the subject.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2008/sep/07/art.heritage

  16. It would be art if it was in black & white by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the technique can be applied to, ummm, other bodily parts?

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  17. Oh no...the truth finally revealed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was me who sat for Dora Maar Au Chat.

  18. This research .. by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

    This research is really IN YOUR FACE!

    Terribly sorry. Have a nice day!

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