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Nokia Sues HTC, RIM and Viewsonic

angry tapir writes "Nokia has filed claims in the U.S. and Germany saying that products from HTC, Research In Motion (RIM) and ViewSonic infringe a number of the company's patents. Nokia has filed actions against all three companies in Mannheim's and Munich's respective regional courts. Nokia has also filed complaints against HTC before the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC), the Federal District Court of Delaware and the regional court in Düsseldorf. RIM will also have to dispatch its lawyers to Düsseldorf for a Nokia lawsuit filed there, while ViewSonic's legal team have to defend the company against a suit in Delaware."

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  1. Does anyone have a global map of this? by Grave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't keep track of all these lawsuits anymore. I just keep picturing an image of the globe with thousands of missile tracks as the world's tech companies try to obliterate each other with patents.

    1. Re:Does anyone have a global map of this? by strength_of_10_men · · Score: 5, Informative

      This isn't exactly a map, but it does show how twisted this all is. It's a few months out of date so needs to be updated, but still...

      http://www.mobilespoon.net/2011/08/mobile-rumble-let-get-ready-to.html

  2. Sweet deal for Microsoft by walterbyrd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft cannot sue Android makers directly, because they all already paying Microsoft for the bogo patents. But since MS essentially owns Nokia, Microsoft gets to double dip.

  3. Re:This is getting out of control... by slack_justyb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I guess its a good time to be a lawyer.

  4. The stages of life. by lanner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imitate
    Innovate
    Litigate
    Disintegrate

  5. Re:This is getting out of control... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... the business of companies taking each other to court over patents is becoming the norm ...

    As I've said in one of my previous comments --- this patent litigation thing is a boon to the legal community, and it has made a lot of lawyers very very rich.

    These very very wealthy lawyers will see to it that the broken patent system stays broken, and they will do everything to encourage corporations to sue each others to crisp over patents/copyrights --- and all the while they (the lawyers) are raking in truckloads and truckloads of moolah

    Maybe we can learn from an Ancient Chinese legend ---

    An egret tried to eat a big clam and that clam clammed up the beak of the egret in return.

    As both were fighting each others a fisherman bagged both the egret and the big clam as the result.

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  6. Huge expensive quagmire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the results of Apple's attempt to win in the courts rather than the marketplace.

    When Steve Jobs said he would "go nuclear" to stop other companies from making tablet computers, he failed to understand every other corporation out there is also armed.

    That's why sometimes it's so difficult for me to believe Steve Jobs had anything more than a hipster's level understanding of Buddhism. This stuff is beginner's level Karma knowledge- you reap what you sow.

  7. Re:Confirmation by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think I have figured out why MSFT and Apple are suddenly friends and its a lot of little things coming together but above all its a common enemy...Google.

    Now that MSFT has bowed out of the media player market by killing Zune there is really only one place that MSFT and Apple really are in competition is the X86 market and looking at Apple under Cook with the way updates to the line have been getting anemic and they are running off pros by dumbing down products like FCP I honestly believe cook is gonna take Apple out of that market. Makes sense as Intel killed the Nvidia chipsets and its getting harder and harder to keep the line trendy with Intel whipping out new chips, its just not a big money maker compared to the i line of products. So I think they will keep a few bottom of the line units for another year or two and then bow out, declaring the iPad the new mac.

    Then you have to look at what Apple and MSFT have had as of late, with Apple taking the high margin sales and MSFT taking the low? I don't think apple has a problem with that, they have never wanted low margin sales. They know even with MSFT getting into tablets and smart phones what they will see, business oriented with major fuckups in UI design but that hardware is cheaper so the low rent market will go for it, again not a market Apple really cares about.

    But then here comes Google...ya know, even if I don't personally use or care for a product I WILL give credit where credit is due and Google threw a BIG monkey wrench right into the nice game Apple and MSFT were playing. You see Apple sells hardware, MSFT software, and Google's model is neither and it pisses with both companies niches. Google gives away Android and does all the work so MSFT can't sell cheap copies to OEMs like they usually do, and since Google is making its money on Google ads and services it doesn't care what kind of hardware you put it on so you are seeing both expensive and cheap android units, and of course those more high end units are cutting into Apple turf. If Apple plays the same game with Google they'll have to update their lines more often as all these new Android pads get faster and faster chips and bigger and bigger graphics, which with Tegra out there that is a worry, because Nvidia is cooking up some pretty powerful chips.

    So frankly I suspect we'll be seeing more and more of this as we go along. Apple doesn't care about MSFT and the low end market, MSFT doesn't really have any products being marketed to the same demographic Apple owns so no real reason to hate each other and BOTH companies would like to "fucking kill Google" with Jobs going so far as to say he'd spend his entire fortune to nuke Android.

    But if I were Google it wouldn't be the lawsuits that would be worrying me, it'd be the one place where MSFT and Apple can royally fuck Google, and that is content. One serious blind spot Google has always had has been content, after all they thought they could just snatch content like they snatch web pages in the search engine with GoogleTV and quickly got the banhammer on their device. This is one area where both Apple and MSFT have also been particularly strong, with MSFT making deals for content for Windows internet TV and X360 and Apple of course with iTunes.

    So while the lawsuits are more drawn out if I was Google I'd be busting my hump signing deals with content providers left and right, because who would want an Android device if it only has YouTube? The fact we haven't seen Google doing this is worrisome, and Google would do well to remember the rule about sleeping giants. If MSFT and Apple are playing nice that is a hell of a lot of capital between them for signing content and if everyone is distracted by the lawsuits that could give Apple and MSFT just the time they need to split ARM like they did x86.

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  8. Re:Not News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft is having a hissy fit and getting their bitch to sue because Google's bitch slapped them a good one in Germany. They're all trash.

  9. Not that new by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Although the following interactive graph is kinda outdated, it still illustrate the mess ---

    http://bl.ocks.org/1153292

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  10. You've got up and down mixed up by dbIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

    December to the present day, in which Elop has done nothing to drag NOK out of the sewer

    It was only a week or two ago when it was announced that Nokia are no longer the number one seller of handsets on earth. It's going down at an accelerating rate and not up.
    Nokia is very much alive (notice the bit above where I mentioned it was the number one seller of handsets) despite a lot of internal effort to kill it. The core problem is currently Elop, there are other problems but he's putting in no effort to fix them and busy getting rid of anyone that can. Even then it will take a long time to kill Nokia even if it's a deliberate effort.

  11. Re:Confirmation by recoiledsnake · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe, but posting misguiding rage comics and lame graphics which omit the big picture does not make a good discussion.

    For example, AAPL went from $34 when Jobs took over in 1998 to 14 in 2003 under him as CEO. Did that Jobs was a sucky CEO and should have been fired in 2003 based on a rage comic on it's stock by a immature lame, armchair joker analyst like you who knows nothing about companies except to look up the stock price on Yahoo Finance? Turnarounds take time, Nokia had it's head under the sand till he took over. More details here http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_24/b4232056703101.htm

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  12. Re:nokia may have a case by iserlohn · · Score: 3, Informative

    HTC adding fashion onto existing tech? Really? I'm no fan of Windows Mobile as well, but HTC created the first Windows powered smartphone right at the beginnings of the smartphone industry.

  13. Re:This is getting out of control... by sjames · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I saw a woodcutting that summed it up nicely. It showed two farmers fighting over a cow while a lawyer was milking it.

  14. Re:This is getting out of control... by No,+I+am+Spratacus! · · Score: 5, Informative

    I found it, or at least a similar picture:
    http://facstaff.elon.edu/efink/images/lawsuit.jpg

  15. Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. by 21mhz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hah, I think there's a better airplane analogy: the pilot is trying to control a stalled airplane, while ignorant onlookers are judging his skill by what altitude and the rate of descent the plane has at the moment.

    See, just before the wings stalled, the airplane was gaining altitude. People ignorant about flight dynamics may think this means everything was going OK, but the engine thrust was set too low for that angle of attack and the plane was dangerously losing speed. When the stall warning sounded in the cockpit, the captain woke up from his nap and took control from the dumbass co-pilot, but too late: the plane started to plunge uncontrollably. The captain promptly put the stick down (see, he's trying to kill everyone on board!) and increased engine thrust. In the recent minute, the plane has lost another 1000 feet of altitude and still descends; the recovery is uncertain. And it's all captain's fault, because the fall happened while he was in control!

    The thing about financial analysts is, they know jack shit about any specific market, especially so in technologically-intensive areas, so all they are left with to make their crystal ball projections are pure financial data. These tell nothing about where things are going, whether the company is gaining or losing mindshare among consumers and developers. In 1997, the financial press spelled doom for Apple and their stock was tumbling below $3.

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  16. Re:This is getting out of control... by crutchy · · Score: 3, Funny

    companies taking each other to court over patents is becoming the norm

    email and phone are so yesterday. all "now" tech companies will start communicating with each other via litigation lawyers.

    how times change

  17. Re:Not News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes this is MS having a hissy along with Nokia because they backed a loooooooooooooooossser now they are both doing an apple and having a childs hissy fit someone give them a good slap on the back of the legs that will calm them down please ..

    The comparison to Apple isn't entirely fair. Apple didn't back a loser, they backed a winner but are having a child's hissy fit anyway because other people backed winners too and that's not fair and they should be the only ones to get anything and they're going to scream and scream until they get their way. In comparison Microsoft and Nokia sulking over losingis relatively mature.

  18. Re:nokia may have a case by Vintermann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nokia is an old time innnovator and a big player in the industry. No way can they be called a patent troll.

    Once-innovative companies that have passed their peak always seem to go down in a blaze of shrill patent lawsuit "glory". They deserve to be called patent trolls when they switch business models like that.

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