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Nokia Sues HTC, RIM and Viewsonic

angry tapir writes "Nokia has filed claims in the U.S. and Germany saying that products from HTC, Research In Motion (RIM) and ViewSonic infringe a number of the company's patents. Nokia has filed actions against all three companies in Mannheim's and Munich's respective regional courts. Nokia has also filed complaints against HTC before the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC), the Federal District Court of Delaware and the regional court in Düsseldorf. RIM will also have to dispatch its lawyers to Düsseldorf for a Nokia lawsuit filed there, while ViewSonic's legal team have to defend the company against a suit in Delaware."

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  1. This is getting out of control... by bogaboga · · Score: 2

    ...not only that, the business of companies taking each other to court over patents is becoming the norm and as such, increasingly stale (as news)...in my opinion.

    1. Re:This is getting out of control... by slack_justyb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I guess its a good time to be a lawyer.

    2. Re:This is getting out of control... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ... the business of companies taking each other to court over patents is becoming the norm ...

      As I've said in one of my previous comments --- this patent litigation thing is a boon to the legal community, and it has made a lot of lawyers very very rich.

      These very very wealthy lawyers will see to it that the broken patent system stays broken, and they will do everything to encourage corporations to sue each others to crisp over patents/copyrights --- and all the while they (the lawyers) are raking in truckloads and truckloads of moolah

      Maybe we can learn from an Ancient Chinese legend ---

      An egret tried to eat a big clam and that clam clammed up the beak of the egret in return.

      As both were fighting each others a fisherman bagged both the egret and the big clam as the result.

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    3. Re:This is getting out of control... by sjames · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I saw a woodcutting that summed it up nicely. It showed two farmers fighting over a cow while a lawyer was milking it.

    4. Re:This is getting out of control... by No,+I+am+Spratacus! · · Score: 5, Informative

      I found it, or at least a similar picture:
      http://facstaff.elon.edu/efink/images/lawsuit.jpg

    5. Re:This is getting out of control... by crutchy · · Score: 3, Funny

      companies taking each other to court over patents is becoming the norm

      email and phone are so yesterday. all "now" tech companies will start communicating with each other via litigation lawyers.

      how times change

  2. Does anyone have a global map of this? by Grave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't keep track of all these lawsuits anymore. I just keep picturing an image of the globe with thousands of missile tracks as the world's tech companies try to obliterate each other with patents.

    1. Re:Does anyone have a global map of this? by strength_of_10_men · · Score: 5, Informative

      This isn't exactly a map, but it does show how twisted this all is. It's a few months out of date so needs to be updated, but still...

      http://www.mobilespoon.net/2011/08/mobile-rumble-let-get-ready-to.html

  3. Confirmation by busyqth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not Apple? I see this as good evidence that Nokia is completely controlled by Microsoft.
    I don't know what has gone on behind the scenes to get Microsoft and Apple to luv each other, but it seems like there is no rational reason for Nokia to leave Apple out of the fun except that they have been commanded to do so by Microsoft.
    So Apple & Microsoft, what is your plan for the post-Android world you are trying to create?

    1. Re:Confirmation by bmo · · Score: 2

      >I see this as good evidence that Nokia is completely controlled by Microsoft.

      Ya think?

      This is like SCO vs. World+Dog complete with failing company that's drowning itself in a 5 gallon pail at the direction of (mis) management. Except this time around, the backing of Microsoft is more blatant. They are no longer under Sherman Antitrust supervision. They have carte blanche to do what they want until someone says stop.

      http://i.imgur.com/f2yqU.jpg

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    2. Re:Confirmation by Renderer+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you trolling, or just stupid?

      Apple has paid Nokia a hefty sum in addition to ongoing royalties to settle the patent case out of court.

    3. Re:Confirmation by busyqth · · Score: 2

      Are you trolling, or just stupid?

      Maybe both.

    4. Re:Confirmation by bmo · · Score: 2

      And my picture omits everything from December to the present day, in which Elop has done nothing to drag NOK out of the sewer. Let's see what has happened since January 1.

      http://i.imgur.com/PgNFG.png

      Source: Yahoo Finance NOK

      Go cry more

      Fact: NOK is circling the drain and Elop thinks that suing companies will stem the flow of this river of red ink. Sorry, but lawsuits take more time than actual innovation and even then, they do not take care of the core problems with a company. Nokia is a dead company walking.

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    5. Re:Confirmation by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think I have figured out why MSFT and Apple are suddenly friends and its a lot of little things coming together but above all its a common enemy...Google.

      Now that MSFT has bowed out of the media player market by killing Zune there is really only one place that MSFT and Apple really are in competition is the X86 market and looking at Apple under Cook with the way updates to the line have been getting anemic and they are running off pros by dumbing down products like FCP I honestly believe cook is gonna take Apple out of that market. Makes sense as Intel killed the Nvidia chipsets and its getting harder and harder to keep the line trendy with Intel whipping out new chips, its just not a big money maker compared to the i line of products. So I think they will keep a few bottom of the line units for another year or two and then bow out, declaring the iPad the new mac.

      Then you have to look at what Apple and MSFT have had as of late, with Apple taking the high margin sales and MSFT taking the low? I don't think apple has a problem with that, they have never wanted low margin sales. They know even with MSFT getting into tablets and smart phones what they will see, business oriented with major fuckups in UI design but that hardware is cheaper so the low rent market will go for it, again not a market Apple really cares about.

      But then here comes Google...ya know, even if I don't personally use or care for a product I WILL give credit where credit is due and Google threw a BIG monkey wrench right into the nice game Apple and MSFT were playing. You see Apple sells hardware, MSFT software, and Google's model is neither and it pisses with both companies niches. Google gives away Android and does all the work so MSFT can't sell cheap copies to OEMs like they usually do, and since Google is making its money on Google ads and services it doesn't care what kind of hardware you put it on so you are seeing both expensive and cheap android units, and of course those more high end units are cutting into Apple turf. If Apple plays the same game with Google they'll have to update their lines more often as all these new Android pads get faster and faster chips and bigger and bigger graphics, which with Tegra out there that is a worry, because Nvidia is cooking up some pretty powerful chips.

      So frankly I suspect we'll be seeing more and more of this as we go along. Apple doesn't care about MSFT and the low end market, MSFT doesn't really have any products being marketed to the same demographic Apple owns so no real reason to hate each other and BOTH companies would like to "fucking kill Google" with Jobs going so far as to say he'd spend his entire fortune to nuke Android.

      But if I were Google it wouldn't be the lawsuits that would be worrying me, it'd be the one place where MSFT and Apple can royally fuck Google, and that is content. One serious blind spot Google has always had has been content, after all they thought they could just snatch content like they snatch web pages in the search engine with GoogleTV and quickly got the banhammer on their device. This is one area where both Apple and MSFT have also been particularly strong, with MSFT making deals for content for Windows internet TV and X360 and Apple of course with iTunes.

      So while the lawsuits are more drawn out if I was Google I'd be busting my hump signing deals with content providers left and right, because who would want an Android device if it only has YouTube? The fact we haven't seen Google doing this is worrisome, and Google would do well to remember the rule about sleeping giants. If MSFT and Apple are playing nice that is a hell of a lot of capital between them for signing content and if everyone is distracted by the lawsuits that could give Apple and MSFT just the time they need to split ARM like they did x86.

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    6. Re:Confirmation by afidel · · Score: 2

      NOK is dead, Samsung and Apple accounted for 95% of cellphone profits in Q4'11.

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    7. Re:Confirmation by recoiledsnake · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe, but posting misguiding rage comics and lame graphics which omit the big picture does not make a good discussion.

      For example, AAPL went from $34 when Jobs took over in 1998 to 14 in 2003 under him as CEO. Did that Jobs was a sucky CEO and should have been fired in 2003 based on a rage comic on it's stock by a immature lame, armchair joker analyst like you who knows nothing about companies except to look up the stock price on Yahoo Finance? Turnarounds take time, Nokia had it's head under the sand till he took over. More details here http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_24/b4232056703101.htm

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    8. Re:Confirmation by Henriok · · Score: 2

      You don't think that Nokia's recent win against Apple where they settled their disputes has anything ti do with it? It just might be that Nokia's satisfied with what they got from Apple's iPhone which is more than they get from their own smartphone business.

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    9. Re:Confirmation by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2

      Hello clueless.

      no need to be rude, especially when you're on such shaky ground yourself.

      This is from 2010:

      "On Thursday, June 30th, Microsoft, in collusion with Apple, Nokia and RIM bought Nortel's 6000 patents spanning Mobile and Wireless technologies for $4.5 Billion, beating Google, who began the bid in April with $900 million. While in the smelling distance of the booty, they started threatening every handset manufacturer in sight for licensing Android patents, asking for as much as $15 per phone, while simultaneously offering indemnity from patent lawsuits for Windows Mobile based phones."

      The DoJ ok'd the sale in questionable circumstanes, despite clear doubts about the process. No doubt Microsoft learned from its earlier experiences:

      "Dear Ms. Varney:
      The American Antitrust Institute urges the Department (a) to commence an in-depth investigation of the proposed purchase of Nortel’s portfolio of more than 6,000 patents and patent applications, many of which may be vital to the future of mobile communications and computing devices, to Rockstar Bidco LP, a consortium consisting of Apple, Microsoft, Research in Motion, EMC, Sony and Ericsson...
      We are respectfully troubled by the Department’s Early Termination of the HSR waiting period on this transaction two weeks ago, in sharp contrast to the Department’s announcement this past April of its intervention into the proposed purchase of Novell’s portfolio of approximately 882 patents and patent applications, many relating to mobile communications and computing devices, to CPTN Holding LLC, a consortium consisting of Apple, Microsoft, EMC and Oracle,

      http://www.antitrustinstitute.org/sites/default/files/Nortel%20letter%20to%20DOJ.7.6.11.pdf

      So there is no doubt at all that Microsoft, Apple and Nokia are colluding to kill Android. The only real question is what it cost them to get the US DoJ to allow it.

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    10. Re:Confirmation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      NOK is dead

      MS and Apple will prop them up as long as they're needed.

      The MS/Apple collusion was allowed to obtain Nortel patents based on a FRAND agreement. Nokia was the axis partner intentionally excluded from the consortium to give them the freedom to do the patent trolling. Microsoft has a long history of using proxies this way, especially companies with nothing left to lose.

  4. Sweet deal for Microsoft by walterbyrd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft cannot sue Android makers directly, because they all already paying Microsoft for the bogo patents. But since MS essentially owns Nokia, Microsoft gets to double dip.

  5. Well... by msauve · · Score: 2

    if you can't compete, litigate!

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  6. The stages of life. by lanner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imitate
    Innovate
    Litigate
    Disintegrate

    1. Re:The stages of life. by artor3 · · Score: 2

      Without the original innovation, what is there to imitate?

      Someone else's innovation, of course.

      Company A has an innovation.
      Company B imitates it, allowing Company B to catch up, since imitating is easier than innovating.
      Company B starts making further innovations on the original design, "standing on the shoulders of giants" and all that.
      Company A, desperate, turns to litigation to hold Company B down.
      That eventually fails, and Company A disintegrates, leaving Company B as the market leader and innovator ...but here comes Company C.

  7. Re:Viewsonic by larry+bagina · · Score: 2

    In total, 45 patents are included in one or more of the actions, according to Nokia. They are related to a variety of software and hardware features, including power management, multitasking, navigation, data encryption and the retrieval of email attachments on mobile phones

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  8. The last spasms of a dying company by gelfling · · Score: 2

    SUE EVERYONE!

  9. Nokia admits market failure, turns to courts. by kawabago · · Score: 2

    Can't compete? Litigate!

  10. patent troll by darkseid · · Score: 2

    If you can't innovate, litigate.

  11. Huge expensive quagmire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the results of Apple's attempt to win in the courts rather than the marketplace.

    When Steve Jobs said he would "go nuclear" to stop other companies from making tablet computers, he failed to understand every other corporation out there is also armed.

    That's why sometimes it's so difficult for me to believe Steve Jobs had anything more than a hipster's level understanding of Buddhism. This stuff is beginner's level Karma knowledge- you reap what you sow.

  12. This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today... by bmo · · Score: 2

    As of this moment, we are cruising at an altitude of $3.50 as you can see by the NYSE price.

    I have been instructed by the parent carrier to initiate a controlled flight into terrain so that it can pick up the pieces and glue them onto itself. You, the investors, are expendable.

    Please enjoy your brief flight on MicroNokia Airways.

    You are free to move about the cabin.

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  13. Re:Not News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft is having a hissy fit and getting their bitch to sue because Google's bitch slapped them a good one in Germany. They're all trash.

  14. Not that new by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Although the following interactive graph is kinda outdated, it still illustrate the mess ---

    http://bl.ocks.org/1153292

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  15. You've got up and down mixed up by dbIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

    December to the present day, in which Elop has done nothing to drag NOK out of the sewer

    It was only a week or two ago when it was announced that Nokia are no longer the number one seller of handsets on earth. It's going down at an accelerating rate and not up.
    Nokia is very much alive (notice the bit above where I mentioned it was the number one seller of handsets) despite a lot of internal effort to kill it. The core problem is currently Elop, there are other problems but he's putting in no effort to fix them and busy getting rid of anyone that can. Even then it will take a long time to kill Nokia even if it's a deliberate effort.

  16. nokia may have a case by goombah99 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nokia is an old time innnovator and a big player in the industry. No way can they be called a patent troll. Conversely HTC, viewsonic have a bussiness model of fast followers and copying, respectively. Viewsonic is not an innovator just a cheapenator. they rarely even make their own stuff. HTC simply adds fashion to existing tech. I can't really say much about rimm. They definitely innovated in the field but they are desperately trying to catch up hardware wise. So it depends what the patents are.

    I have little doubt they have a case since they had a case against apple on basic ideas in how to conduct cell phone operations. Apple settled or at least cross licencenced.

    Finally this is obviously not an attempt to black mail these companies. Their market share is miniscule. Instead, Nokia needs cash flow so they are going after places they know they can win but ignored when they had bigger fish to fry.

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    1. Re:nokia may have a case by iserlohn · · Score: 3, Informative

      HTC adding fashion onto existing tech? Really? I'm no fan of Windows Mobile as well, but HTC created the first Windows powered smartphone right at the beginnings of the smartphone industry.

    2. Re:nokia may have a case by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2

      Yes but we have Google shills like you to defend against the MS shills though!

      Nice smear, but I'm more of a freetard than a shill.

      Nonsense, Microsoft and Apple together have nothing close to a monopoly in the mobile OS market.

      And they didn't have a monopoly on the web browser market either. That didn't stop them colluding to create the IE6 decade.

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    3. Re:nokia may have a case by Vintermann · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nokia is an old time innnovator and a big player in the industry. No way can they be called a patent troll.

      Once-innovative companies that have passed their peak always seem to go down in a blaze of shrill patent lawsuit "glory". They deserve to be called patent trolls when they switch business models like that.

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  17. Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. by bmo · · Score: 2

    >God, these lame armchair analyst zealots get on my nerves.

    We all know what's happening.

    Elop is sabotaging the company, he and the board will get golden parachutes, and get hired by Microsoft, and the remains of the company will be acquired by Microsoft.

    It's been plain ever since Microsoft "bought without buying" Nokia by having Elop installed as Cuckoo CEO.

    Deal with it.

    Go be butthurt somewhere else.

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  18. Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    Wait, so Microsoft promised Nokia to pay them $1 billion dollars a year to destroy itself with a shill CEO and Nokia took up that offer which will cost it much than a few billion dollars? A company whose market cap was ~$150 billion in 2007.

    They only needed to pay off a few key quislings, the net worth of the company is irrelevant.

    You think the Finnish government will let that happen to their biggest company and employer?

    You think they can do anything about it? Protectionism is not looked on favourably by the EU or the WTO.

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  19. Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. by 21mhz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hah, I think there's a better airplane analogy: the pilot is trying to control a stalled airplane, while ignorant onlookers are judging his skill by what altitude and the rate of descent the plane has at the moment.

    See, just before the wings stalled, the airplane was gaining altitude. People ignorant about flight dynamics may think this means everything was going OK, but the engine thrust was set too low for that angle of attack and the plane was dangerously losing speed. When the stall warning sounded in the cockpit, the captain woke up from his nap and took control from the dumbass co-pilot, but too late: the plane started to plunge uncontrollably. The captain promptly put the stick down (see, he's trying to kill everyone on board!) and increased engine thrust. In the recent minute, the plane has lost another 1000 feet of altitude and still descends; the recovery is uncertain. And it's all captain's fault, because the fall happened while he was in control!

    The thing about financial analysts is, they know jack shit about any specific market, especially so in technologically-intensive areas, so all they are left with to make their crystal ball projections are pure financial data. These tell nothing about where things are going, whether the company is gaining or losing mindshare among consumers and developers. In 1997, the financial press spelled doom for Apple and their stock was tumbling below $3.

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  20. Re:This is Stephen Elop, I'll be your pilot today. by 21mhz · · Score: 2

    My time on the internet taught me to interpret "google this" as "I have nothing to back up my claims, but I still want to sound authoritative".

    What actually happened is, the board decided to oust Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo and install Stephen Elop, because things were going to hell fast. If he is Microsoft's trojan horse as the conspiracy theorists here like to assert, the board should be blamed for not seeing this. But something tells me that they have better grip on the company's prospects than a legion of Slashdot neckbeards.

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  21. Re:Not News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes this is MS having a hissy along with Nokia because they backed a loooooooooooooooossser now they are both doing an apple and having a childs hissy fit someone give them a good slap on the back of the legs that will calm them down please ..

    The comparison to Apple isn't entirely fair. Apple didn't back a loser, they backed a winner but are having a child's hissy fit anyway because other people backed winners too and that's not fair and they should be the only ones to get anything and they're going to scream and scream until they get their way. In comparison Microsoft and Nokia sulking over losingis relatively mature.

  22. Re:Not News by uglyduckling · · Score: 2

    I think it's more that Apple created a market (just like they did for GUI-based computers in the 80s) and don't want history to repeat itself. Whether they have a right to protect that market by litigation is a different matter, but I think their motives are about keeping a degree of control in a market where the 'me too' companies are doing quite well.

  23. Cheapenators are great! by Concern · · Score: 2

    Assuming you're a believer in capitalism and free markets, you should be thrilled to encourage and protect "cheapenators" the world over. God bless them. They're the reason the system works. The more the merrier!

    What we have these days, unfortunately, are a bunch of lazy communists who think that their business should get special protections instead of having to compete, which is just so hard for the poor widdle baby CEOs. Their mommy told them they were entitled to fat profit margins on their work ("innovating is so expensive!"), and if some upstart can out-compete them on price, it's just... not... fair!!!!!

    So they spend their time coming up with ways to change the rules of the free market so as to make it less free. Never mind that they themselves only got where they are today by using the ideas of others. Now they've got theirs, and they want to make sure no one else can ever take it.

    These are the guys whining about how the "cheapenators" stole their precious ideas, and we all need to band together to make sure that precious "intellectual property" can't be "stolen" from the monopoly- I mean, inventor. Instead of competing, they spend their time suing and lobbying, trying to gradually expand the scope of copyright, patents (i.e. creating "software patents"), and other protectionist schemes.

    It is anti-capitalist. It's a plot by people who want to change the US to have an institutionalized wealthy upper class, whose status is protected by laws and handed down family lines through generations, like they have in Asia. And they know it's so repugnant they have to do it very gradually. For that matter, deep down they may even know it's economically counterproductive. So there's an element of denial about it thrown in as well. So right now it's just policy ideas (like strengthening "IP") that just so happen to have this effect.

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