Slashdot Mirror


The State of Linux Accessibility

Dog's_Breakfast writes "This week's edition of DistroWatch Weekly News features a unique story entitled 'Linux Accessibility — What is it and Why Does It Matter?' The article was written by Robert Cole, a blind person with a computer science degree. Mr Cole points out that Linux offers an excellent set of free tools for seeing-impaired users. Putting together a similar set of tools on Windows would cost at least US$600, about double what a retail copy of Windows itself costs."

28 of 138 comments (clear)

  1. Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Close your eyes. Let your mind take control. And turn your brain into a dance floor.

    Dance floor build initiated.

    Start the drums. Building graph sequence. And the baseline created the melody. Melody programmed.

    Now, add the people. Enter access code... Access granted.

    Welcome to the dance floor. Here is your DJ, Armin van Buuren. This is... THE STATE OF LINUX ACCESSABILITY!

  2. It's super accessible by Lord+Lode · · Score: 2

    Because you can do everything with the command line. Keyboard text input. Spoken text output.

    1. Re:It's super accessible by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Cobol is one of the most audibly readable languages there is.
      "multiply a by b giving c" sounds a lot better than "c equalsign a asterisk b semicolon".

      If I were to vote for the language that is the hardest to understand when read out loud (whether by machine or human), my vote would not go to perl, but lisp. With perl, at least you have the option to make it somewhat readable. Good luck balancing lisp parentheses correctly.

      Not to mention typical block comments (in most any language), where you risk hearing five minutes of "asterisk asterisk asterisk asterisk..."

  3. Something must be wrong with me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...Because when I saw "accessibility" I immediately thought "ease-of-use" and had a laugh.

  4. From the article... by bigredradio · · Score: 5, Informative

    When you boot up an Ubuntu live CD or USB drive, press CTRL+S when you hear a drum sound. This will start the Orca screen reader, and you can either try Ubuntu using Orca or install Ubuntu with your eyes closed; it's entirely your choice. I was able to do a complete installation (including partitioning my drives) without having to look at my screen!

    Didn't know about this option. I have to say that this is pretty cool.

  5. visually impared irony by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2

    It has tons of accessibility features for the visually impaired if you know where to look.

    I get this same feeling every time I lose my glasses. The bitter irony of having to look for your glasses...

    --
    Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
    1. Re:visually impared irony by arth1 · · Score: 2

      It has tons of accessibility features for the visually impaired if you know where to look.

      Where to look might be an issue for visually impaired people...

      Then there's Gnome 3, which won't even let you change font and widget sizes and styles.

    2. Re:visually impared irony by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      It has tons of accessibility features for the visually impaired if you know where to look.

      Yeah, that's Linux in a nutshell.

      --
      #DeleteChrome
  6. Re:Does it matter? by schitso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...because the article is about accessibility tools for seeing-impaired users?

  7. Re:Does it matter? by SJHillman · · Score: 2

    Because it lends credibility to him writing an article about accessibility, which is mostly about the blind when it comes to computers.

  8. Orca good? by Beetle+B. · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used to work with a blind programmer. He is a Linux geek. Every year or two he tries the screen readers in Linux, and says they all suck compared to Jaws in Windows (including Orca).

    So he does all his email, web browsing, etc in Windows, as well as as much programming as he can get away with. For him Linux has been relegated to a toy he plays with once in a while.

    --
    Beetle B.
    1. Re:Orca good? by Microlith · · Score: 2

      For him Linux has been relegated to a toy he plays with once in a while.

      Actually, I think that runs counter to the notion of calling someone a "Linux geek."

    2. Re:Orca good? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      It's extra hardware(and not inexpensive, from what I've read); but I would think that the classic 'terminal window on ttyS0' would be an nearideal match for an 80-column refreshable braille display...

      I've no doubt that Windows has superior 'kludging some degree of blind usability on top of a GUI' software offerings, because there is some serious cash in the 'corporations that don't like ADA suits' market; but I would(perhaps naively) expect that the unix-style environment(not exclusive to Linux, of course, BSD would do just as well) that had everybody on 80-column serial terminals back before graphics were cheap would be much easier to adapt more directly... A contemporary Window-manager-with-all-bells-and-whistles Linux desktop, not so much, though.

    3. Re:Orca good? by FatMacDaddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hate to say it, but that's the general consensus. And is it surprising that an expensive product put out by a software company is favored over an open-source alternative? The biggest problem with JAWS, from my perspective, is the whopping $1,000 price of admission for a target user group that has high unemployment problems already.
       
      I have to give a shoutout to the NVDA project (http://www.nvda-project.org/), and would encourage your friend to give them a shot if he would like an open-source alternative to JAWS on Windows.

      --
      This space intentionally left blank.
  9. Re:Does it matter? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    Because as a person with good site your views on accessibility features are quite different then someone who is blind. A webpage using graphic as text without a good alt tag could be the difference between a good ui and a bad one. Or even just the fact that someone when a form requires something to be filled in it may just be in a different color. Most UI enhancements are visual. I myself have good eye site, and operate my computer with the speakers on Mute, So my perception of a good UI is based on my site. Having known a few people who are blind, I understand that their perception of computing is much different, and you things that you take for granted are much different.

    --
    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  10. Which side is up? by tepples · · Score: 2

    I just wonder how a blind user knows whether the install CD is inserted the right way up in the first place.

    1. Re:Which side is up? by michaelwigle · · Score: 4, Informative

      Next time you look at a CD check out the spindle hole. Around the edge on one side it is raised. It's hard to see but you can feel it. The raised ridge always goes down.

    2. Re:Which side is up? by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      CD? They are blind, not out of date luddites. Inserting the USB boot stick is quite easy for a Visually impaired person

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    3. Re:Which side is up? by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Inserting the USB boot stick is quite easy for a Visually impaired person

      Or rather, it's no more difficult for a visually impaired person. Even with two functioning eyeballs, it often takes three tries to fit the USB connector.

      --
      Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
  11. Re:Does it matter? by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Informative

    And I'll add that this is important because, as a sighted developer who once worked on a website specifically intended for blind users, I know it's ridiculously easy to make really bad assumptions about what blind people want. That design with a list of options arranged to be read first is great for a front page, but gets really annoying after it's read on every page....

    Sighted people suck.

    --
    You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
  12. Re:Does it matter? by partofme · · Score: 2

    Well, I would hate to try using computer with no hands. I was almost there once. I got a medical condition that disables legs and hands and spent almost 4 months in hospital. The lucky thing is, it only affected my legs and my hands continued to work. That meant four full months of nerding in bed while nurses brought me food, drinks and took my shit (I had to literally shit in bed as I couldn't move).

  13. Re:Buy A Mac by ByOhTek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Odd, being highly visually impared, I've found Windows to be much easier to work with than a Mac. Mind you, I'm not completely blind, so I don't know about how well the screen reader software is (though, in my experience, it isn't so bad). Also, without doing anything special, I can use the keyboard for almost everything in Windows. The only Mac user I know, who uses the keyboard for everything, had to do quite a lot of tweaking to set it up.

    --
    Self proclaimed typo king, and inventor of the bear destroying coffee table (patent not pending).
  14. Re:Linux is awful... by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anybody who isn't on welfare switched to OS X years ago.

    Yep, even my blind aunt agrees. She thinks it's sad Apple ran out of cat names, and that Swahili was an odd choice, but "Ubuntu" is her new favourite OS.

  15. Re:The edge of the writeable/readable area, you me by michaelwigle · · Score: 2

    You're right, your description is clearer. Thanks for the clarification.

  16. Re:Fingerprints by arth1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Or rely on the fact that a sticker feels different from the plastic on the side with the data.

    Do you know of any easy way to rely on that without getting fingerprints all over the data side?

    Sure! Licking it will not leave a fingerprint!

    As others have said, CDs and DVDs already have a built-in feature for blind people and people changing discs in the dark. The side that goes towards the laser (usually "down") has a ridge near the hub. It's prominent enough that you can easily feel it through a paper sleeve (and if you have a jewel box, you should already have it the right side up, but you can still feel for it if in doubt).

  17. Re:Does it matter? by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

    An interesting and related problem: A website aimed at the deaf took the time to provide video of their site translated into ASL. At first glance, this seems stupid - many deaf people can read perfectly well. But it actually turns out that people who were born deaf or became deaf in early childhood have significant literacy problems, especially if they learned ASL first, because reading English engages the auditory senses.

    Asking a sighted person on how to design properly for the blind, or a hearing person on how to design properly for the deaf, makes about as much sense as asking a marketing guy about how to design a web server: They may have some ideas, but will have no clue which ones are good.

    --
    I am officially gone from /. Long live http://www.soylentnews.com/
  18. Re:Buy A Mac by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

    OS X is still the only OS that doesn't have any way to uniformly scale all UI elements up (say, to 150%). Which is a major pain if you have poor eyesight, or just want to use a Mac Mini with a 30" TV.

  19. Re:Buy A Mac by n1hilist · · Score: 2

    What tools/features are you using for Windows? I'm legally blind, -22 diopters of correction for each eye. What I'm currently using is a modified dark theme so that I can use the built in accelerated magnifier (I can't tolerate bright themes) and I've mapped the magnifier to win+mouse wheel to make it more like compiz. I'm also nearly entirely hotkey driven, I use the mouse very little for every day tasks.

    Of course there are so many applications that don't follow the windows colour scheme, even the built in High Contrast classic theme is ignored by so many apps, hardcoded font colours and so on.

    What really erks me are web pages. I use Firefox with Stylish (or just vanilla FF and set my custom colours to my taste) but most sites have issues rendering correctly because it overrides a lot of colour/style rules.

    I can't really comment on Linux's features as I don't use Linux as a desktop, just for servers. Mostly because it doesn't run my music software or my games and I hate dual booting.

    Accessibility is still a joke in Windows and for internet browsing.