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BSA Claims Half of PC Users Are Pirates

judgecorp writes "Despite continued pressure on business users to buy legitimate software, the Business Software Alliance (BSA) reports that the campaign seems to be failing. Well over half (57%) of users surveyed in a global survey admit to using pirated software. That's a big increase from the same survey last year — when 43% admitted to using pirated software. The BSA surveyed 15,000 people in 33 countries."

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  1. Underestimation? by GloomE · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only half?

    1. Re:Underestimation? by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cmon, we can do better than 57%

    2. Re:Underestimation? by exomondo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well:
      Over half of PC users worldwide have admitted to using pirate software

    3. Re:Underestimation? by wvmarle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      TFA is just a troll. Or flamebait. Or both. I don't know.

    4. Re:Underestimation? by exomondo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The blame lies 100% at the door of the greedy corporations who are gouging.

      Not really. If you believe they are gouging then don't use their products, use a free alternative, like GIMP instead. Now the reason I say that is because I believe piracy is not a way of protest, in fact it just makes it worse. Consider that - as many here will attest - piracy != lost sale so piracy isn't necessarily 'hurting' the company, what it does is cement the idea that the software in question is the best (or at least 'necessary'), superior to cheaper or free alternatives, thus making it the de-facto standard in the market and driving out cheaper or free competitors.

      The same thing happens with other software too, Windows for example. People claim to not like it and to pirate it to only use it out of necessity, but that just drives its use in the market leading to more people to use it out of necessity so to a degree piracy drives legitimate sales.
      Obviously if legitimate sales start to sag but usage continues to grow then the companies see piracy as a problem.

    5. Re:Underestimation? by exomondo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I should have put this in the above post but personally I think the 'Free for non-Commercial Use' model is a good method for most paid software companies. I see it as viable predominantly because it wouldn't be far from the system we have now (as in it would require minimal changes) except that these home users - that are probably just using the software for hobby or educational purposes and can't justify the cost nor the infringement penalties anyway - would not be painted as 'criminals' and those who derive income from the tools they use would be the ones who pay for the development of said tools.

      It's not a perfect solution and it's not the only solution, but it's more harmonious while being not too far removed from what we have now.

    6. Re:Underestimation? by bryan1945 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do you have any idea how many people steal Linux? It is OFF THE CHARTS how many people don't pay for it! It's an epidemic, I tell you, horrifying!

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    7. Re:Underestimation? by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cmon, we can do better than 57%

      Now now, they surveyed 15,000 people and worked out that 170 million of them are using pirated software. So that's pretty typical anti-piracy maths.

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    8. Re:Underestimation? by JWSmythe · · Score: 5, Interesting

          Sadly, there are an abundance of reports stating exactly that. During BSA audits sysadmins can't produce paid licenses and receipts for every install of Linux and all the FOSS they have installed. That's reason #1 to refuse to cooperate in any sort of way with them until they produce a warrant. It'll cost you in legal expenses, but that's cheaper than their "fines" and licenses to come into compliance.

          I've known *many* business owners who have received their bulk mailed warnings of impending audits, and offered to let the install the BSA audit tool to bring themselves into compliance. {sigh}

          This topic has already been discussed ad nauseum on here over the years. I'm surprised they are still able to operate at all. Oh ya, they're sponsored by big corporations, they can do whatever they want.

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    9. Re:Underestimation? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I run Mint as my work OS, Win7 as play. I need Win7 as dual boot so it gets unrestricted access to the excessive hardware I bought to play games. "Serious about running a Linux desktop" doesn't mean that I can't dual boot another OS. I use Linux for everything except playing games. It just so happens that I like PC gaming too, and the games I enjoy don't run (well) on Linux.

      "Horses for courses", mate.

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  2. Different Approach? by exomondo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doesn't that indicate that perhaps a different approach is required? This sue-happy, mafia-style campaign isn't working so perhaps that's not the right way to go about it. I don't have the solution but clearly neither do they.

    1. Re:Different Approach? by Lord_of_the_nerf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

      When you have lawyers on staff, every problem looks like an ambulance.

  3. The BSA should sue the BSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Boy Scouts of America have been using that TLA for a lot longer than the Business Software Alliance has existed. The former should sue the latter for damaging the reputation of their acronym.

  4. Re:And 43% of those surveyed... by Technician · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not all of the 43%. Some of us have learned from the Ernie Ball story and moved off closed source entirely.

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  5. Phrasing by cranky_chemist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do you know what the article doesn't tell you?

    How the question was phrased, which makes a helluva lot of difference in the results of any poll.

    "Tell me, sir, do you still pirate software?"

    "Well... uh... no."

    "So you admit that you USED to pirate software?"

    "Well... no."

    "So you admit you pirate software now, but didn't used to?"

    "Well... uh..."

    "So how often do you beat your wife?"

  6. Crackpipe statistics by hangar47 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "UK is firmly below the global average, with just 27 percent of computer users admitting they have acquired software illegally last year. This translates into an approximate £1.2 billion loss by the software industry." - "People who use software without paying for it" != "People who would pay for it if they couldn't get it for free". Only a group like the BSA (and it can't be coincidental that their acronym so nicely fits with BullShitArtists) would use stats like that.

  7. Sounds like Cop Statistics to me. by rueger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can bet that BSA surveys are rigged to generate the highest numbers possible. After all, if "piracy" was declining they couldn't really insists that all of the draconian laws and penalties were needed.

    Cops figured this out decades ago - no matter that crime stats have been falling for ten years, somehow the police always need more people, more equipment, and tougher laws.

    Any survey by the BSA - or any group with a vested interest - is automatically suspect.

  8. who pirates software any more? by Surt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I haven't needed to pirate anything in years, everything has a free and good-enough equivalent now. What does anyone pirate today?

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  9. misleading statistics by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As usual when someone with an agenda throws statistics at you, you can rest assured that they've manipulated them in such a way to achieve their own goals. In this case, it's rather easy to see what they are doing. Worldwide? When I was in Africa 2 years ago, the hotel I stayed in had a computer in the community room. Windows Genuine Advantage warnings kept popping up. I fixed that for them... much to the bemusement of the Microsoft employee that was staying their with us. After traveling to several other locations we found that, at least to our limited exposure, ALL the software on EVERY computer was pirated. The Microsoft guy was appalled. I asked him where he expected these people to buy his software? Shipping to that part of africa was somewhere in the neighborhood of $500... There were no walmarts, or any sort of software vendors. The fastest data connection I came across was at a coffee shop at it was 56k. So you can be fairly certain that the entire continent of Africa's piracy rate is well above 99% Take the population of Africa... oh and China... and India... are you starting to get the picture? Did their poll ask people if it were possible for them to buy the software they needed in the first place? I doubt it.

  10. Re:If *most* of the population are criminals... by gman003 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would, in fact, argue that the current traffic laws *are* broken as currently used.

    Speed limits are rigged to bring in ticket money. There's a section of highway I drive daily that's marked as 45MPH (with an advisory limit of 35)... that is completely safe at 65MPH+, and regularly driven at 70. I was once passed by a Mustang I swear was doing at least 120. There are no pedestrians (it's an overpass, no foot traffic), no sharp turns, no visibility problems, no oncoming traffic, nothing that makes such a low limit (for a highway) logical. And since it merges into 65MPH traffic after just a mile, I would argue that 35MPH is in fact completely *unsafe*.

    It's also been demonstrated that traffic lights with red-light cameras are almost always set to LESS safe timings to boost revenue. As for "rolling stops", yeah, those shouldn't always be illegal as well. Go on and tell me that it's unsafe to slow down to a crawl long enough to see that there's NO ONE else on the road, then continue on. Blowing through a stop sign's obviously a Bad Thing, but I see no reason to come to a complete stop when I'm the only one on the road.

    So if the laws that are being broken are primarily being broken in ways that harm no one, they are obviously in need of at least revision. Should we completely throw them out? Of course not. But should we improve them? Yes.

    Your point about South Africa does have merit - obviously something as harmful as rape shouldn't be legalized (although I'll not that "33% of men" is only 16% of the population, so while your general idea has significant merit, your particular was perhaps poorly-chosen). I suppose one could argue that no man-made law can violate natural law, and thus you cannot legislate away the "right not to be raped" or other such natural rights. However, as copyright is clearly an artificial legal construct, I don't think natural law is particularly relevant.

  11. Re:You To Can Report Software Piracy by rrohbeck · · Score: 5, Funny

    OK I clicked on the link below (it said "Reply to This".)
    Now what? Where is my cash reward?

  12. Re:WHAT'S STOPPING US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not fully. I fully respect that companies need a way to make profit.

    This is not a problem with the law, its often a problem with the companies. Asking way too much for certain products or having a horrible distribution scheme. Say about bittorrent what you wish, but if I actually look for some software, I find it, usually having to only look for 1 site. And it doesn't annoy the fuck out of me during installation.

  13. Re:WHAT'S STOPPING US? by tirnacopu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What the majority believes may be wrong some times.

    This is a well-known let's say 'urban legend', refuted several times throughout history but which keeps coming back as a way to stress just how dark the Dark Ages were or to make a Mayan discovery look more spectacular. Educated people over the millenia have always known that Earth is round, and belief otherwise is just that - a dogma imposed by some religions, methinks as a simple yet powerful way to describe how precious and rare life as we know is. See the "Myth of a flat Earth" page references for some amusement.
      There will also always be nutcases that deny common sense and science, some of them might even go as far as to negate Darwinism in American schools, but I do hold hope that humanity can work around those.

  14. Piracy = supporting the biggest market player by coder111 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You described a case when free software competes with commercial software. But imagine following scenario:

    * There is an entrenched piece of software by company A used by most people that costs 700$.
    * There is a startup company B producing similar thing that costs 50$.

    Now in case you pirate the software produced by company A, that's not a lost sale for company A. That's more a lost sale for company B.This kind of behaviour will lead to demise of company B and company A will become a monopoly. Add to this network effects and zero distribution costs and file format lock-in etc- they will only speed things up.

    What I want to say is that software market in general is easily dominated by big established companies. It's almost impossible to compete with established players, even if you sell a similar/better product for less. And piracy is one of the things responsible for that.

    Now markets where you need to offer support or adaptation/localization of software (enterprise markets) are somewhat different. And that's where Linux shines.

    --Coder