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Another Raspberry Pi? $49 ARM Single-Board Computer With Android

n7ytd writes "Announced today and running on an 800 MHz VIA core, the 170 x 85mm 'APC' is expected to ship this July. It has 2GB of flash storage and 512MB of DDR3 memory. 'A modified version of Google Android 2.3 uses up most of that 2GB of flash storage, but there are external storage options. On the back I/O is a microSD slot, and of course you could hook in an external USB 2.0 drive. VIA spent a lot of time customizing Android to enable keyboard and mouse support which natively it does not support. ... On the I/O panel you get VGA output, HDMI output (up to 720p playback with hardware acceleration), four USB 2.0 ports, gigabit LAN and audio out and microphone in.' With a 'Neo ITX' form factor, VIA touts the single-board computer as a 'bicycle for your mind.'"

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  1. Android != Pi by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can't run Qt? Can't be a Pi.

    1. Re:Android != Pi by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Funny

      So, what you're saying is that it has to be a QT/PI ?

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  2. Keyboard and mouse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    VIA spent a lot of time customizing Android to enable keyboard and mouse support which natively it does not support.

    Uhm, I'm no expert, but I've plugged a USB keyboard and mouse into my Android 2.3 phone and both were recognized and usable instantly.

    1. Re:Keyboard and mouse... by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://s.dx.com/search/android+tv+box

      don't believe the release notes, believe the released machines. many 2.3 flavors support usb host just nicely.

      or install android-x86 on your pc. android has pretty much always had mouse and keyboard support.

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  3. No 1080 support? by jmorris42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Kinda wierd to be releasing a product in 2012 that won't play 1080 video. I certainly wouldn't like a desktop on a 1280x720 display.

    Some sites say the chip can do 1080, others only claim 720p. And if they are putting it on a *-ITX form factor would a SATA port have killed em to add? Any existing case will have this little guy rattling around in it, might as well have the option to put a small drive in. Sure Android probably won't use it but how many hours does anyone think it will take to get a more normal Linux distro on it?

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    1. Re:No 1080 support? by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are confused. It can probably DISPLAY 1920x1080, but lacks the power to play full video at speed. Like the computer I have at home.

      This thing also lacks sufficient memory. A modern-day browser like Chrome with Flash will not run properly on just 512MB of RAM. I know; I've tried. It's like a snail.

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    2. Re:No 1080 support? by PCM2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Answering my own question: It's just speculation, but based on the memory problems they cite in TFS, maybe the device manufacturer has opted to starve it for video memory. Thus, no 1080p, even though the chip's capable of it.

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    3. Re:No 1080 support? by gman003 · · Score: 3, Informative

      1920p is not an actual resolution. You're thinking of 1080p, which is 1920x1080 in actual pixel dimensions (assuming 16:9 aspect ratio, which is near-universal for the ___p resolutions). While someone could theoretically make a 3412x1920 display, I do not know of any.

    4. Re:No 1080 support? by EdZ · · Score: 4, Informative

      They were aiming for in-expensive which means cutting corners.

      The 'Pi can play 1080p h.264. At High Profile level 4.1 too, which means unfettered BluRay streams, not just main-profile low-bitrate transcoded video (as is usually the case with cheap devices advertising 1080p decode support).

  4. Steeling an old Jobs line. by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Informative

    'A computer is a bicycle for your mind' was his line circa 1981. Don't know who he stole it from, but I'm sure he did.

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    1. Re:Steeling an old Jobs line. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Informative

      As documented here...

  5. Exactly like a Raspberry Pi by a_nonamiss · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except twice the size, more expensive, and runs an outdated operating system with no room for internal storage, that doesn't yet support a mouse or keyboard. Also, it requires a proprietary power supply. But otherwise, just like it.

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    1. Re:Exactly like a Raspberry Pi by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 5, Funny

      And like Raspberry Pi, I can't get one anyway.

    2. Re:Exactly like a Raspberry Pi by marcosdumay · · Score: 4, Informative

      It runs a real OS (that you can code for easily - no app BS), can do 1080p, is pluggable to ethernet, can host USB, can plug on your TV or any monitor you have, and have an accessible GPIO.

      The tablet isn't on the same market.

  6. Re:It doesn't say... by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The summary says it's an ARM-based device.

    Specifically (judging by the photo) it uses a WonderMedia Prizm WM8750 SoC (system on a chip). That bundles the VIA 800Mhz ARM 11 core with some other stuff (click the link to see).

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  7. Hardly a Raspberry Pi by Gaygirlie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Raspberry Pi is first and foremost meant for hardware hacking which is quite obvious from the generous amounts of GPIO, I2C et. al. connectors on it. This thing lacks all that and is apparently aimed more at half-assed HTPC-tasks.

    Even on the hardware-side this one is quite lacking. Yes, 4 USB2.0 - ports and a Gigabit ethernet are good features to have, but then they're paired with a measly 720p video output? What do you need all that bandwidth for if you can't even do full 1080p? In theory it could be used for data-processing or such, but then again, the thing would need more RAM and faster CPU for that. Well, it will make for a quite useable small box for running emulators and watching low-quality media, like e.g. YouTube videos.

  8. Re:It doesn't say... by Jeng · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know the other two people did mention that it is in the article and in the summary, but I would also like to point out that it was also in the very title at the top of your screen.

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  9. yes it does support keyboard and mouse by farble1670 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    VIA spent a lot of time customizing Android to enable keyboard and mouse support which natively it does not support.

    yes, it does.

    1. Re:yes it does support keyboard and mouse by farble1670 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      well you'd have to wonder why they "spent a lot of time" adding keyboard support to an outdated version of android when they could have used a slightly less old version of android that had it natively.

      probably has to do with the memory constraints, but lame nonetheless.

  10. Re:Obligatory nostalgia by obarthelemy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, if that thing gets traction, the interesting thing would be to replace android with a regular Linux, and use it as a home server, a media station... I've got a couple of PCs that could easily replaced by this.

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  11. Re:No Windows? by RoboRay · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh, I'm familiar with the turn-based variant of Crysis.

  12. Re:Toy by jmorris42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > really dumb lockdown decision by RPi it seems to me

    No, the really cheap SoC they got their hands on didn't support it. Beggars can't be choosers. On the other hand, VIA's does, probably because they wanted it to and so they made it that way. But the real win is the VIA has a network port that doesn't appear to be just bolted onto a USB bus through a converter. And four (and perhaps a header for two more) USB ports. But the huge difference is 512MB of RAM vs 256MB; especially since at least 64MB has to come out for video and many sources for the Pi are saying if you plan on actually doing 3d or heavy video you will end up splitting it 128/128. Give this board the same 128M for video and you end up with three times the program space, maybe even enough to run a app or two.

    If this board had a few spare GPIO pins brought out to a header there really wouldn't be a reason for Pi to exist at this point. Add in the the hard reality that VIA will probably be able to actually ship product near the announced date in whatever quantity you care to order in and that has to count for some extra points in their favor.

    And just wait until Win8 ships, bet we see ARM motherboards then with even better specs, stuff good and hefty enough to run Windows on. Of course we will have to wait a few months beyond that so that the usual suspects can jailbreak them before being able to load up a useful OS.

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