Slashdot Mirror


Barter-Based School Catching On Globally

sethopia writes "In 2010, three people had the crazy idea to start a school where the teachers teach whatever they want and the students pay for classes with whatever teachers need — cutlery, art, advice — but never with money. Trade Schools have been popping up around the world and are now active in 15 cities and 10 countries, with almost no prodding from its founders. Caroline Woolard, one of the founders, discusses the challenges and opportunities of adapting their idea to an international audience and making the Trade School software — based on Python and Django — great."

19 of 118 comments (clear)

  1. Pay with what teachers need. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Blowjobs?

  2. Can they pay with Bitcoin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because I just happen to have $87,000 worth of Bitcoin.

    1. Re:Can they pay with Bitcoin? by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 4, Funny

      What a coincidence, mister. I just happen to have a waterfront house on the marvellous Island of Bogomipi, off the beautiful coast of Nigeria. My friend, the charming lady Ogoboffo Moffo has seen the island and says it would suit any Lord of the Bitcoin power with good computer skills. We have good electricity skills in this island. And excellent telephone connections. Please, contact me and you and I we make little bicoins into more, larger and much shinier bitcoins. You are my friend mister. Please let the world find heaven in golden collaboration.

  3. Re:Ugh. by Technician · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe not. This may be nothing more than an advancement of an Apprenticeship. This is how I learned commercial refrigeration. When I worked in a classified space, we rarely shut down to allow outside trades in, so much of the HVAC was done in house. As such I learned much of the trade including hard silver soldering, hydraulic unloaders, adjustment and proper use of thermostatic expansion valves, etc as OJT with the textbook Modern Refrigeration and Air Conditioning which is pretty much the bible on the subject. http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Refrigeration-Conditioning-Andrew-Althouse/dp/1590702808

    It took me the longest to grasp the theory of how continious cycle absorption cycle worked, but I finally understood it too.

    With my training, I am now trained to charge, maintain, service, and repair systems for chilled water up to 500 Ton.

    --
    The truth shall set you free!
  4. Cash by pitchpipe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...the students pay for classes with whatever teachers need â" cutlery, art, advice â" but never with money.

    What the hell do they have against cash? Cash is the most useful thing I own.

    --
    Look where all this talking got us, baby.
    1. Re:Cash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Good evening and welcome to 'The Money Programme'. Tonight on 'The Money Programme', we're going to look at money. Lots of it. On film, and in the studio. Some of it in nice piles, others in lovely clanky bits of loose change, some of it neatly counted into fat little hundreds, delicate fivers stuffed into bulging wallets, nice crisp clean cheques, pert pieces of copper coinage thrust deep into trouser pockets, romantic foreign money rolling against the thigh with rough familiarity, (starting to get excited) beautiful wayward curlicued banknotes, filigree copperplating cheek by jowl with tumbling hexagonal milled edges, rubbing gently against the terse leather of beautifully balanced bank books (collects himself) I'm sorry. But I love money. All money. I've always wanted money.(getting worked up again) To handle. To touch. The smell of the rain-washed florin. The lure of the lira. (standing on the desk) The glitter and the glory of the guinea. The romance of the rouble. The feel of the franc, the heel of the Deutschmark. The cold antiseptic sting of the Swiss franc, and the sunburnt splendor of the Australian dollar.

      I've got ninety thousand pounds in my pajamas.
      I've got forty thousand French francs in my fridge.
      I've got lots and lots of lira,
      Now the deutschmark's getting dearer,
      And my dollar bill could buy the Brooklyn Bridge.

      There is nothing quite as wonderful as money,
      There is nothing quite as beautiful as cash,
      Some people say it's folly
      But I'd rather have the lolly
      With money you can make a smash.

      There is nothing quite as wonderful as money
      There is nothing like a newly minted pound
      Everyone must hanker
      For the butchness of a banker
      It's accountancy that makes the world go round.

      You can keep your Marxist ways
      For it's only just a phase.
      For its money, money, money,
      Makes the world go round.
      Money, money, money, money, money, money!

    2. Re:Cash by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      ...the students pay for classes with whatever teachers need â" cutlery, art, advice â" but never with money.

      What the hell do they have against cash? Cash is the most useful thing I own.

      taxes and red tape.

      --
      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
    3. Re:Cash by Prune · · Score: 2

      Uh, income from barter is taxable, so get off your high horse. http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=187920,00.html

      --
      "Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
  5. Trade with a Web Designer... Please. by ohnocitizen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Holy white on yellow batman! Their site (http://tradeschool.coop/) has successfully burrowed inside my eyes and is setting up a permanent tent city. They could use some help designing the site, or at least getting a readable color scheme. Mayo on yellow mustard surrounded by ketchup is not working.

    1. Re:Trade with a Web Designer... Please. by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      It looks like the loading screen for a Commodore 64 game.

      Yes. Without any of the awesome.

    2. Re:Trade with a Web Designer... Please. by scumfuker · · Score: 2

      I need to comment to undo a bad mod on my part. Whoopsy!

  6. school of continuing education...? by bcrowell · · Score: 2

    Looking at the kinds of classes they do, most of it seems like the kind of thing where if I wanted to take that kind of course, I'd probably go to my local school of continuing education. Cooking, drawing, photography, crafts, ... Here in California, at least, these courses are extremely cheap.

    It seems like it's more of a political mission than an educational one.

  7. Black Mountain College-- wave of the future? by Dr+Herbert+West · · Score: 2

    Let's face it, edjimication isn't getting any cheaper... and my understanding (based on a not-very rigorous survey of people I personally know, some of whom are tenured professors at the college level in the US) is that more and more young folk are going the way of trade schools (in the traditional sense).

    Why get crazy in debt for a liberal arts degree when you can get real world skills for less of a financial outlay?
    Pros: -Get a job in an actual career (someone mentioned refrigerator repair earlier-- doesn't sound sexy, but fixing things and working with your hands appeals to a lot of people)
    -Don't spend the rest of your life in debt
    -Learn in an environment where people are there to learn (a lot of college pukes I see are there to party on their parent's dime)

    Cons:
    -Accredation?
    -Unsure about the qualifications of a teacher who doesn't/can't get a regular teaching gig
    -Facilities? I don't want to learn welding at a college where safety gear is "donated"!

    There's been some important precedents set-- Black Mountain College had a similar model.

  8. Why the hatred of money? by trout007 · · Score: 2

    I don't get why people think barter is more moral than money. I can see being against government endorsed fiat currency. But money allows complicated development to occur. You can use barter to build anything of substance. Money allows for figuring out the most efficient way to accomplish your goals.

    --
    I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
  9. Re:teach whatever they want better then college by bigtrike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those gen ed classes don't go nearly far enough. Many programmers have terrible grammar, limiting their ability to work on anything public facing without supervision.

  10. A giant leap backwards. by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

    Originally, all transactions were based are barter, before human beings discovered that the use of money was a much more efficient means of matching up supply and demand. With barter, you need to match up with somebody else whose needs and supply are the reciprocal of your own. With money, your supply and demand get translated by "the market" into monetary values, and you can exchange goods with people halfway across the world. Explain to me again how barter is a superior system...

    --
    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    1. Re:A giant leap backwards. by dmm10 · · Score: 2

      The myth you stated (the founding myth that Adam Smith used in creating the field of economics) is just that. The fantasy world of barter never existed. The historic progression is from virtual money (ancient Mesopotamia where one silver shekel = one bushel barley = ... and the silver never left the treasury) to coinage (much later) to barter (used mainly by people who were used to cash transactions when currency wasn't available and a system of credit didn't exist.)

      Look to John Maynard Keynes (his self described "Babylonian madness") attempting to ascertain the origins of money or a significant body of anthropological research if you wish to dissuade yourself of the fiction in intro economics texts. You will find exceptional uses of barter amongst indigenous peoples (typically were either the parties involved are mimicking or actually near violent conflict or the parties don't know each other and don't expect to encounter each other again so they attempt to swindle each other by bartering.)

      No, a more common human endeavor before the state creation of money was that people pooled there excess materials and equitably portioned them out as needed (ex. Iroquois longhouses.) Gifting exchanges were long the norm in some areas until states created markets based on money via taxes. Another alternative still exists commonly, obligations. Debt being the commodification of obligations with a fixed monetization.

      For a setting where coinage is scarce or one would protest the state that issues such coinage barter is the historical norm.

  11. Hope they don't forget to pay their taxes. by jgoemat · · Score: 2

    You need to file form 1099-B to report bartering income.. Enjoy paying tax to the government for that old cutlery you don't even want...

  12. Re:teach whatever they want better then college by Belial6 · · Score: 2

    You get 13 years of Gen ed classes before entering college. If you haven't been able to get educated in 13 years, a few more years are not going to change things. The only reasonable rational for colleges is for specialization.