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Hundreds of IP Addresses Make Pirate Bay a Hard Target

jones_supa writes "Last week The Pirate Bay added a new IP address which allows users to circumvent the many court-ordered blockades against the site. While this proved to be quite effective, the Hollywood backed anti-piracy group BREIN has already been to court to demand a block against this new address. But that won't deter The Pirate Bay, who say they are fully prepared for an extended game of whac-a-mole using the hundreds of IP addresses they have available. Courts all around the world have ordered Internet providers to block subscriber access to the torrent site, and the end is still not in sight."

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  1. oblig. leia by niftydude · · Score: 5, Funny

    The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

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    1. Re:oblig. leia by tnk1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

      Just remind me not to be on Alderaan when he's in the process of figuring that out.

    2. Re:oblig. leia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's not a question of substance, it's a question of style -- you can't just walk in and say Star Wars sucks, you have to pose your opinion of it as a quote or reference from some other SF/F/other geek-friendly-genre work. For example, dissing Star Wars in Klingon would have gotten him applause.

    3. Re:oblig. leia by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 3

      That's German, not Klingon.

    4. Re:oblig. leia by idontgno · · Score: 3, Funny

      As you can see, my young apprentice, your friends have failed. Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL IP Law!

      --US Senator Palpatine

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    5. Re:oblig. leia by Mr2cents · · Score: 4, Funny

      Great. Now entire hordes of geeks are grabbing for their light sabres, and the entire discussion will be about Star Wars, instead of TPB. Well played, MPAA.

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  2. I wonder if they have IPV6 support by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if they have IPV6 support, unfortunately searches on "the pirate bay" are blocked here at work. If tey do they could add billions of IP addresses!

    1. Re:I wonder if they have IPV6 support by grahamm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Buying a whole block would probably not work, as then it would be simple to block the whole block.

    2. Re:I wonder if they have IPV6 support by SirDice · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://thepiratebay.se.ipv6.sixxs.org/ Not blocked via DNS nor via IPv6. None of the injuctions seem to cover IPv6. I'm actually wondering if BREIN knows IPv6 exists.

    3. Re:I wonder if they have IPV6 support by Inda · · Score: 2

      This is the first time ever I've been able to view TPB from work (without resorting to that long and drawn out process of removing my phone from my pocket).

      I now have nine URLs for TPB, up from the single one I had a few weeks back. Thanks Virgin Media. Thanks BREIN. Thanks for court orders. Thanks.

      Fits and giggles all round.

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    4. Re:I wonder if they have IPV6 support by SirDice · · Score: 3, Informative

      It obviously only works if you are running IPv6.

    5. Re:I wonder if they have IPV6 support by FridayBob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wonder if they have IPV6 support, unfortunately searches on "the pirate bay" are blocked here at work. If tey do they could add billions of IP addresses!

      That was my thought as well. Keep in mind that IPv6 addresses are often allocated in /64 and /48 subnets, so it's possible that's how the anti-piracy groups will be seeking to block them. Still, even if they attempt to block by the /48, that still leaves thousands of billions of these address ranges in which to hide. But, even with IPv4 it sounds like the TPB has address space to burn.

      It's stupid, really. IMO, all that's necessary to end this ridiculous cat and mouse game is for the entertainment industry to offer streaming services to the masses at reasonable prices (per movie/show/series/episode/album/song) and all this bad behavior will be unnecessary on both sides.

    6. Re:I wonder if they have IPV6 support by Lord_Alex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Everybody thinks using HTTPS within corporate walls means your traffic is encrypted. We control (Via AD) who your trusted root signers are. And if you look at who signed Google.com or paypal.com, it was us. EVERYTHING seems to be signed by the corp key. Also, the web filter appliance sees all the internet in plain text, SSL doesn't matter.

      Executing a MITM SSL attack is easy when all the PCs trust your signing key.

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    7. Re:I wonder if they have IPV6 support by nabsltd · · Score: 2

      What's a reasonable cost? Netflix, Lovefilm and Amazon Video are all pretty cheap.

      If you want to maybe be able to see a movie, then all these work fine. But, if you absolutely want to watch a particular movie, downloading a torrent is better.

      With an already downloaded torrent, you don't have to worry about an internet connection right now. You also don't have to worry about losing access to the movie at some future date. And, although none of the services you list have commercials (that I know of) before/during your viewing, that could change, too.

      Also, although Netflix and Amazon have reasonable support for a wide variety of devices (don't know about Lovefilm), there are still a lot of devices they don't cover. This is not a problem with a torrent download.

    8. Re:I wonder if they have IPV6 support by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      That's evil. Whoever implements that needs a raking over the coals.

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    9. Re:I wonder if they have IPV6 support by ktappe · · Score: 2

      This is the first time ever I've been able to view TPB from work.

      Perhaps I have a very aggressive employer, but mine is blocking the new IP already, saying "P2P content is forbidden." So the premise of the original article is already proven wrong; fast-acting internet filters can take down TPB as fast as they put new addresses up. :(

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    10. Re:I wonder if they have IPV6 support by xenobyte · · Score: 2

      Quite true, quite true. I stopped pirating music when Amazon MP3 came around: Download plain and simple well-tagged MP3 files. That's a technology I'm willing to live with for my music.

      I tried it once...

      Looked for something not out here in Denmark (or in the rest of Europe for that matter) and found it on Amazon US as MP3 download. Tried to buy and was told that I couldn't do that because I live in the wrong place.

      Looked some more and found it on iTunes US. Tried to buy it and was again told that I couldn't do that because I lived in the wrong place.

      Now I turned to TPB and found it there. So, as nobody wanted to sell the thing to me, I downloaded it from TPB and have enjoyed it since.

      It is still unavailable for me to buy (it's download only) so I cannot pay even if I really want to - and I do. Even found the artist on twitter and asked how to pay directly but received no answer. Everybody quite obviously wants me to steal it! - or move to the US and buy it there.

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  3. Poisoned forever? by weave · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So Pirate Bay goes around and getting new IPs and I assume releasing the old ones. Then what? Imagine getting a new netblock for your own stuff and finding out it used to be a PB IP. How do you go about getting that unblocked all around the world.

    1. Re:Poisoned forever? by dontclapthrowmoney · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That'd make for some interesting firewall logs. Also, from TFS:

      an extended game of whac-a-mole using the hundreds of IP addresses they have available

      I also would have expected that it wouldn't be that hard for the courts to find out what IPs TPB already own, so they can block them proactively?

    2. Re:Poisoned forever? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I also would have expected that it wouldn't be that hard for the courts to find out what IPs TPB already own, so they can block them proactively?

      Start using the IP addresses of politicians' websites as claimed alternate IP addresses, see if you can get the court to order the blocking of people who will not take that sort of thing lying down. (Yes, it would cut multiple ways at once but the shitstorm would be funny.)

    3. Re:Poisoned forever? by mepperpint · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would think the IP addresses would be useless forever. It would likely take way more effort than it is worth to get them unblocked. Even if the court lifted the block, it would be hard to guarantee that they had been unblocked by every ISP out there. If this goes into overdrive, we might have a new compelling reason to switch to IPv6 as larger and larger swaths of IPv4 addresses become dead.

    4. Re:Poisoned forever? by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The last place I worked had an issue like this. We switched ISPs and found that two of the four new IPs assigned to us were blocked by a number of other ISPs and services for spamming. That took a few weeks to get it mostly straightened out, although we were still on some block lists six months later when I left. A friend of mine found that his newly registered domain name was blocked by a lot of places for spam as well, seems the previous owner of the domain may have been Russian...

    5. Re:Poisoned forever? by CodeHxr · · Score: 2

      No... the shitstorm would be epic. Even better, they could claim they're using RIAA and MPAA IP addresses and get those guys to block themselves. Reminds me of the first Hackers movie...

  4. Meet the Internet by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Internet is not just some fancy cable TV system; websites are not channels, "access devices" (read: personal computers) are not "view only," and BitTorrent is not some service that can be shut down. Millions of people want to share and download their entertainment; I would guess that they outnumber the people running the various businesses that are still struggling to adapt to this "new" technology. How about instead of fighting a battle that can never be won, we tell the copyright industry that they need to adapt or die?

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    1. Re:Meet the Internet by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      there will be very little financial incentive to create the content we enjoy

      for over a decade now, there hasn't been much on tv or movies worth watching.

      'content we enjoy' is now shifting. I get my 'content' via typing and reading what's online. the story lines on modern movies and tv really suck, the acting sucks, the commercials deter from the whole thing and I mostly lost interest in mainstream 'entertainment'.

      it would not bother me one tiny bit if ALL the major studios went out of business. same with record labels.

      I would not lose one bit of sleep or feel at all like we've lost anything valuable.

      maybe I'm just getting too old for tv and movies; but it lost all its magic, like I said, about a decade or so ago. now, its a total waste of time and an insult to my intellect every time I try to watch anything current.

      hours spent on the one-way tube seem wasted, to me. hours spent ENGAGING people online via conversations seem much more stimulating and interesting to me.

      old one-way media is a has-been and I expect it to fade as other people get disillusioned, like I did.

      let the studios rot and fade away. good riddence! seriously. other stuff will fill the void.

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    2. Re:Meet the Internet by lexsird · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now that would be entirely too logical. But while we have whore politicians who will dance for whatever jackass pays them the most, they will make laws that burn us. We are to blame partially. We don't hold politicians accountable for their betrayals. They should be terrified to cross us. They should ponder that big fat bribe as a death sentence. We also need to get rid of legal bribery, the whole process of lobbyists needs run down and beat out of our system with extreme prejudice.

      When you look at this issue it's just systematic of larger issues that plague us. Until we the people get back our government from big money, they will continue to bend us over and jam whatever they wish up there. It's problematic, because asking the current power holders in government to fix this is like asking the fox to fix the hen house.

      Here is something to consider, they could tap into this and make money instead of whining about it. They are missing out on fortunes by not adapting to the times and technology. So it makes me wonder, are they just damn stupid or are they just an excuse to try to clamp down on the Internet by the powers that be because they are frightened of it? It's probably both, come to think about it.

      Politicians didn't give a rat's fat ass about this until the "Arab Spring" that materialized out of Internet social networks. Then factor how the London riots were guided by the tech as well, and you get paranoid "powers that be" that are afraid we will collectively snap out of this dream world they have fabricated for us and come howling in one giant unstoppable mob for their heads on sticks. OWS was looking scary to them, and if the media didn't get on it's job of either completely ignoring it and covering it up or smearing it into oblivion, they were going to have to do something drastic to avoid mass revolution via the Internet.

      But thankfully for them, the movement has been contained. The American public has proven apathetic to it's citizens exercising Constitutional rights being beat down and gassed by thug military forces aka the police. OWS members have been successfully painted as filthy dirty hippies instead of modern patriots, they are now on the proper watch lists and the steam is out of the movement.

      They can now go back to letting the Internet function and use it to spy on us via social networks. They get to have their cake and eat it too.

      That explains volumes, no? It's not hard to impress upon dolts in office who can't set up their own email with scary stories of "cyber criminals, terrorists and warfare". Lion, tigers, and bears! OH MY! For the children!!! Release the Kraken!

      Silly rabbit, Tricks are for kids! It's all about control, the entertainment industry are just retards who pay the bribes to get them to do what they want to do to begin with and to have an excuse. It's incumbent upon us now to fight back and shove it all up their asses.

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  5. Oh, joy. by perrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IP addresses tend to change hands. The "bad guys" get new IP addresses, while some innocent bystanders gets the old, tainted ones. It is hard enough to get an IP address off a vigilante style blacklist, but how bloody hard would it not be to get it off a court ordered IP block? The block would likely be in a different country altogether, or perhaps several countries at once.

    They are really starting to mess hard with the core structure of the internet. But of course, these big cartels do not care. They get their slightly higher profits, and as usual someone else gets to sort out the mess later on.

  6. An example by wbr1 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I will take a heavily pirated piece of software as an example here.
    I love Photoshop. I know it well, and can do things in it far easier than I can in GIMP, largely because of experience, but I do not have the time to invest to learn GIMP well.
    If I want to make a quick button for me website, or clean up a photo, or make a nice card from my girlfriend, it is the tool I go to.
    I am not well off.
    Graphic design is -not- my career, therefore I really only have need to use Photoshop once a month or less.
    I am not going to pay $700 or more for software that I only use 6 or 8 times a year. That equates to about $100 per project/use.
    If I could somehow rent it for less. Say, $25 for a week, then I would be more willing to pay for it.
    Of course, adobe now has their creative cloud, which if you sign up for a whole year is $50 a month. For a single month it is $75.
    However, I do not need the whole month when I have a project I want to complete. I may need 2 days to a week, so that $75 still feels an unfair price, and untenable on my budget.

    Ergo, pirating as solution.

    That is one scenario for pirating out of thousands. But the bottom line is, as long as people have things they desire--music, movies, software, designer clothing, etc--that are out of reach to them because of the price or the pathetic way in which it is delivered, there will always be some sort of black market. Some sort of theft, because there will always be people who see the reward as greater than the risk.

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    1. Re:An example by BlackPignouf · · Score: 2

      You could try to send this mail to Adobe and explain your situation.
      You'll probably get some "student" discount.

    2. Re:An example by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      The GIMP. stop whining and download and use it. You have a free option that is perfectly usable for your needs.

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    3. Re:An example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I love Photoshop. I know it well, and can do things in it far easier than I can in GIMP, largely because of experience, but I do not have the time to invest to learn GIMP well.

      If I want to make a quick button for me website, or clean up a photo, or make a nice card from my girlfriend, it is the tool I go to.

      Dude, if you have time to make yourself nice cards from your imaginary girlfriend, you have enough time to learn GIMP.

  7. Re:Host Pirate Bay on shared hosting by crazyjj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Probably if IP address will be shared with other resources (who are not related at all to Pirate Bay), it will be illegal to block the IP.

    Why would you think that would make it illegal to block the IP? I'm not aware of any laws that say "You can only block an IP address if it ONLY hosts illegal material." In fact, quite a few raids have been made against servers that also hosted legitimate content (MegaUpload, for example).

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  8. Geez. by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wait until they find out that TPB is only one of many torrent sites.

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  9. I don't respect their Double Standards... by VortexCortex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the Beta Max case, Universal sued Sony because their video device could record TV, and dual decks could dub copyrighted video tapes. The court found that, regardless of the primary use case, the devices were legal because of the mere POSSIBILITY that they could be used in non-infringing ways.

    Now... That was a court in the USA, and the US is not the world... TPB isn't blocked via my US ISP, either. However, it's primarily US corps petitioning the US government to make treaties that push US laws into foreign lands with only all of the bad, and none of the beneficial parts going with them.

    I download lots of legitimate stuff using torrents from The Pirate Bay (my OS, Project Gutenberg works, Revision3 shows, etc), I wonder how many people pressed the record button on their VHS and Beta decks while watching TV? I mean... The things had whole menu systems with multiple timers and some could even record one show while you watched another. Point is, copying information is the basis of life, it's not going away any time soon.

    I fear the end result will just be raised ISP bills, just like the blank CD & DVD tax. My whole life I've tried to play by the book. I didn't make mix tapes, I didn't dub rented videos, I didn't rip & burn CDs or DVDs of copyrighted content... I created my own content and backups to store on these, but I paid the infringer's tax the whole time -- for my whole damn life. Screw these entitled media bastards. It's enough to make me want to cancel Netflix (which I just did, after I read this article), and not fund the big media in any way possible.

    I have kept full regular backups of my entire life's worth of content, photos, slides, etc on multiple media formats... I calculated that I've paid over US$5,000 in "pirate taxes" just over the existing media I still have on hand. The idea was that such tax would pay for any possible infringing I might do. The money I've already paid to cross the trolls under the digital bridge would more than pay for my media entertainment expenses for the next five years, at least... That's why I cancelled Netflix. I'm not paying them another red cent, I'll import my blank media if I have to.

    All that time NOT infringing any of their content while paying a "pirate fee" for all my blank media?! I can see how some people would just say, "Screw it, if I'm going to do the time, I might as well do the crime." Petitioning our "representatives" isn't working either, because $$$ = speech. Well, screw it I say. You know what happened last time there was a bunch of taxation without representation and or mock trials that unjustly rule in favour of the corrupt establishment? Well, then you can guess what happens next. This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

    1. Re:I don't respect their Double Standards... by sribe · · Score: 2

      The court found that, regardless of the primary use case, the devices were legal because of the mere POSSIBILITY that they could be used in non-infringing ways.

      No, they found that the primary use was non-infringing--that "time shifting" TV shows was fair use.

      You may be thinking of an earlier case, involving publishers vs Xerox. But even there, it wasn't "the mere possibility" of non-infringing use, it was that there were substantial non-infringing uses. And this is what killed Napster--although there were non-infringing uses, they were minor, and the primary use was infringement on a massive scale.