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RIM May Need To Write Off $1 Billion In Inventory

benfrog writes "Blackberry maker Research in Motion may need to write off more than $1 billion in inventory, according to Bloomberg. The potential 'writedown' comes after RIM took a $485 million pretax charge to write down the value of its PlayBook inventory in December. RIM has said it aims to save $1 billion in operating costs this fiscal year by cutting its number of manufacturing sites and is 'reviewing its organizational efficiency' across the company, which may lead to job cuts of 2,000-3,000. Its shares have tumbled 75 percent over the past year and are down 90 percent from their all-time high."

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  1. Not Surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've used all 3 major platforms professionally, and BB is so far behind now it's just pitiful. Remove the Federal workforce from the client base, and BB is a memory.

    1. Re:Not Surprising by norfolkboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not quite.

      It's very popular in the UK for teens, who use BBM rather than SMS.

      Other than poor chavs and kids, you're right.

    2. Re:Not Surprising by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 3, Informative
      Perhaps you live in America?

      Here in the UK, BB ownership is very high. However, most users also have another device.

      There are two BB communities:

      Teenagers, who want BBM for a variety of reasons, and remote wipe for many reasons.

      Business users who want integration into corporate infrastructure.

      The remaining markets are babies, the elderly and the unemployed, who are not very lucrative.

      BB's current problem is that they have saturated the market with long lived devices, and are trying to sell devices to people who dont want them. They need a strategy that trades on that position instead. An old BB works fine, and there is no need to upgrade. Keep supporting the existing customers, and BB will live on, with a solid market base that will sustain them for a long time to come. Trash their customer base by abandoning the existing devices, and they really will die. Maybe they need a paid software upgrade bringing tangible improvements to the really old units?

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    3. Re:Not Surprising by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here in the Netherlands (and as I understand it, most of Europe atleast), WhatsApp is the current chat method, and it's available on most mobile platforms, including BB. It's still proprietary, but atleast it's practically platform agnostic.

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    4. Re:Not Surprising by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well maybe we'll get lucky and they'll be dumping playbooks on Woot! like HP did the Touchpads, gotta look on the bright side you know.

      But RIM really deserves what is happening to them, another classic case of a company that tried to rest on their laurels instead of staying ahead of the game and now they are so far behind its practically impossible to get back on top. You might bet by with that in some businesses but tech is NOT one of those. We have seen it over and over again, Palm, MSFT with WinCE, if you don't try to stay ahead of the pack in mobile tech you simply get run over.

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    5. Re:Not Surprising by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 2

      Here in the Netherlands (and as I understand it, most of Europe atleast), WhatsApp is the current chat method, and it's available on most mobile platforms, including BB. It's still proprietary, but atleast it's practically platform agnostic.

      And it still doesn't tell you when someone you're chatting with is typing. Or when they read your messages. And it doesn't have the same attachment capacity. Oh, and as far as I can tell all my contacts get sent to WhatsApp.

      I was on BB for the last three years and just moved to Android, reluctantly. There's a lot to be said for the platform, but the lack of actual, fully-functional BBM is glaring. Google Talk will do attachments, but not delivery notification. WhatsApp the reverse. There just isn't an equivalent.

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  2. HP should buy them by Enderandrew · · Score: 5, Interesting

    HP is convinced they need to embrace the 'post-PC' world. They could actually salvage part of their 2 billion investment of Palm and Web OS. BB has a terrible platform right now and is dying, but they have a great brand name, and some great apps. Their mobile email client is absolutely the best.

    If HP was smart, they'd reach out to Google to help develop Android phones and tablets with some Web OS influence (some great UI concepts actually) and a BB email client. Honestly, wouldn't that be a legit Apple killer than enterprise shops would embrace en-masse?

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    1. Re:HP should buy them by Jeng · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If HP was smart,

      They've outsourced their intelligence to the lowest bidder.

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    2. Re:HP should buy them by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Almost the entire WebOS team has been hired by Google. I don't think HP is doing anything with WebOS anymore.

    3. Re:HP should buy them by Michael+Meissner · · Score: 2

      In the past perhaps, but blackberry recently caved into demands from India to allow security to tap into RIM messages. So, I don't see them as being secure any more.

    4. Re:HP should buy them by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem with Blackberry is that it required (at one point) a server component for Enterprise. And it was EXPENSIVE (at the time). Meanwhile Apple used ActiveSync and now Android does as well, which allows for "security" that most enterprises actually need.

      However, what is MISSING that Blackberry had YEARS ago was app management that is still better than anything Apple or Google offer. We are actively looking at MDM that can manage Apple and/or Android and so far, we've got nothing worthwhile to choose from. Apple's MDM is pretty good, but it is based on Apple's model, and not any enterprise.

      If HP or any other company wanted the Enterprise market for Smart Devices, they could be had in a second. My guess, is the market is too fluid to build anything that will work in three years.

      That, and the whole BYOD in the enterprise is really starting to take off. Why pay for smartphones when your employees will buy something else anyways (and not want what you bought)?

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    5. Re:HP should buy them by Enderandrew · · Score: 2

      That's part of what spurred the thought process. I think HP and Google could work together to integrate some WebOS UI concepts into Android to improve it.

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    6. Re:HP should buy them by Enderandrew · · Score: 2

      A few points that come to mind:

      * Detailed alerting rules. I don't want every email waking me up in the middle of the night, but I can configure a rule for an audible alert with specific emails when I'm on call.
      * Detailed filtering rules.
      * Search that's worth a damn.
      * Being able to delete all emails that fit those search results.

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    7. Re:HP should buy them by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Funny

      What does HP have to offer though? Google already has all the people who did WebOS. Who should Google work with at HP? The middle management?

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    8. Re:HP should buy them by avatar139 · · Score: 2

      Apple's MDM is pretty good, but it is based on Apple's model, and not any enterprise.

      Therein illustrating the reason why it's so good. ;)

      Having worked I.T. infrastructure consulting at a variety of major companies, I can tell you that the flaw in enterprise models is that the companies that specialize in them usually end up banking on the fact that most corporate buying decisions are primarily based on perceived notions regarding business costs and marketing/sales people providing kickbacks to the people who make the decisions.

      The only remotely technical consideration is whether or not the system meets various standards checklists, usability considerations are pretty much non-existent prior to purchasing, after purchasing when it becomes a factor management defers blame regarding the ensuing usability issues to the SysAdmins for not being able to support the devices people want to use as they're forced to spend the majority of their time wrestling with the implementation of the crap systems they're stuck with as a result of the whole sordid mess of a process.

      That, and the whole BYOD in the enterprise is really starting to take off. Why pay for smartphones when your employees will buy something else anyways (and not want what you bought)?

      Agreed, although I'll be curious to see Apple, Google, RIM, etc. try to cope with the rising popular business sentiment for a focus on providing better heterogeneous device management solution as time goes on, because for the most part the emphasis is still focused on either AD or device vendor specific proprietary solutions (which, to be fair, worked really well for RIM when they focused more on design and less on kissing carrier ass) rather than focusing on the BYOD direction in which the market is currently heading.

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    9. Re:HP should buy them by sootman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Honestly, wouldn't that be a legit Apple killer than
      > enterprise shops would embrace en-masse?

      No.

      The thing is, to dethrone a king, you can't be "about as good as" or "as good as and slightly cheaper" or "10% better in some key ways" or even "15% better across the board." You have to be a LOT better--like a night-and-day different--to overcome all the inertia of a large installed base. The last time we saw that happen was in 2007.

      Apple might not have the absolute world's best email client but pretty much every major company is happy with it (and all the other stuff it does) so someone else coming out with a whole new device that is slightly better in some ways is not going to gain any traction. Apple is so far ahead (in terms of overall quality, customer satisfaction, number and quality of apps, etc.) that I'm guessing it'll be literally 5-10 years (if ever) before they aren't in the lead.*

      HP and BB both tried to displace Apple once and failed. They pulled out all the stops and each managed to create products that were roughly comparable to 1- or 2-year-old Apple products. No freaking way will those two be able to put their corporate heads together and produce, in 12-24 months, something substantially better than what Apple will be producing at the same time in the future.

      Tying two anchors together does not result in something that floats.

      * They may or may not be actually leading now in terms of raw units out there in the world, but a) they're doing far better than any single competitor in the smartphone arena, and b) they are taking the vast majority of the industry's profits -- about 3x their one and only really profitable competitor.

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  3. Translation by mr1911 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    by cutting its number of manufacturing sites and is 'reviewing its organizational efficiency' across the company, which may lead to job cuts of 2,000-3,000.

    No need for manufacturing sites or employees when sales have fallen off a cliff.

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  4. What's With All The RIM Hate? by MogNuts · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can only conclude that basically companies are just planting RIM hate and RIM apocalypse stories. I see them all the time. But yet if you actually used a Blackberry, as a smartphone (and not an App machine) it's pretty damn good. But yet we see it day after day all these RIM hate stories. Besides, why would you want, as a consumer, one less competitor in the field. Because all that means is the remaining ones will compete less, charge more, and give you less features.

    Don't believe the hype planted by companies and their collaboraters in the media. Forget all the rest of the crap--if it's a good phone and you like it, buy it. And even though I use an Android phone now, I absolutely LOVED my two old BB's (old BB and that BB Bold 9700).

    1. Re:What's With All The RIM Hate? by tibit · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apparently, Blackberry-the-smartphone is not enough to keep RIM afloat. There you go.

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    2. Re:What's With All The RIM Hate? by MadCow42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      RUFKM?

      Do you even have a current BB phone? I do, and I hate it with a passion, but I'm stuck with it because it's all my company supports for corporate email.

      Battery life? half a day if I'm lucky.

      Usability? It freezes for minutes at a time.

      Apps? Really? Have you compared to any other platform like Android or iOS?

      Talk about astroturfing... you're doing it pretty well.

      (no, I have no affiliation with RIM whatsoever, besides being hampered by having one of their crappy devices - the 9960)

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    3. Re:What's With All The RIM Hate? by Nexzus · · Score: 5, Funny

      In the end, they will probably file chapter 11 and leave the debt with the US taxpayers.

      I know it's hard to believe, but RIM is a Canadian company.

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    4. Re:What's With All The RIM Hate? by epiphani · · Score: 4, Informative

      Funny, I have a current Bold 9900, and the battery easily lasts a full day with heavy email use and several hours of conference calls. I'm not sure what you're using, but I haven't run into the issues you're talking about since the original Bold like 4 years ago.

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    5. Re:What's With All The RIM Hate? by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't hate RIM. But I do think RIM is dying. The disease is reversible, I think, but nobody over there seems to be seriously looking for a cure. TFS says RIM stock is down 75 percent from last year alone. Imagine a patient who has lost 75 percent of his body weight but keeps insisting, "I'm not sick!"

      My own experience: My last three phones before my current one were BlackBerrys. But I started looking around and comparing prices and it seemed to me that other phones could provide at least most of the functionality that my BlackBerry gave me, plus more besides. I also wasn't impressed with the hardware of the current crop of BlackBerry devices. It seemed like RIM's focus had drifted from its core business market and it was trying to sell camera phones to college students. They didn't seem like they were targeting me anymore, and other manufacturers were. So I switched to Android.

      I'd be more than happy to switch back to BlackBerry if they'd show me a really great phone, though. Do they have something like that in the works? I don't see it. The market doesn't seem to see it, either.

      You know who you remind me of? Me, when I was a Mac OS admin in the late 90s. Back then, everybody thought Mac users were a cult. We were all convinced our platform was the best, but everybody else kept focusing on how Gil Amelio had fucked up a once-great company. We Mac fans were right, but so was everybody else. It took Steve Jobs' return to get Apple back on track. Unfortunately, I don't think RIM has a Steve Jobs.

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    6. Re:What's With All The RIM Hate? by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 2

      I absolutely LOVED my two old BB's

      And I absolutely LOVED my Handera 330 (a Palm OS device). Just like your old BB was a good phone, the Handera was a pretty good "app machine". These days, you have to be good at both. RIM is going to be a great business school case study in what happens when your market gets disrupted and you pretend everything is still fine.

    7. Re:What's With All The RIM Hate? by MogNuts · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Latest one I used was the Bold 9700. Though I saw the new 9900 and I think ergonomically it's the best designed phone I've ever used. It feels perfect for typing, wonderful keyboard, wide enough to hold but not too big to be unwieldy.

      But anyway, I seriously doubt you on the battery life. I used to get like almost a week with whatever OS was pre-BB 7. And neither iOS or Android get more than half a day either anymore. iOS was like 2 days in the 4.x days (I had a 3GS too). But with 5.1, it's gone to crap.

      Apps? Has everything I need. But then again, I don't have the need to play the piano or punch the monkey on my phone. I use it for productivity. And as such, BB's market has most of what I need. Not even equivalents, but the actual apps. What exotic apps do you need? No seriously--give me specifics. Otherwise I smell BS.

      As for astroturfing, miss the part where I said I own an Android phone? Besides, astroturfers sign up new fake accounts and post like crazy. Look at my UID. I've been posting since Chips and Dips.

      I think you just have a case of feeling like u don't look cool with your BB and being too weak confidence-wise. So u bitch and moan at how "i hate it so much but my company gives it to me so that's why I have it." Because u need an iPhone as a status symbol to make u feel better out in public.

    8. Re:What's With All The RIM Hate? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      "Good at being a smartphone" now means apps. And that's the problem. Apple and Android were late to the party, but they pushed past RIM, and now we're reaching the point where, if investors are lucky, someone will just swoop in and buy it up, rather than waiting for it to turn into the next Nortel.

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    9. Re:What's With All The RIM Hate? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      I don't hate RIM. But I do think RIM is dying. The disease is reversible, I think, but nobody over there seems to be seriously looking for a cure. TFS says RIM stock is down 75 percent from last year alone. Imagine a patient who has lost 75 percent of his body weight but keeps insisting, "I'm not sick!"

      Is it curable? Activesync isn't quite what Blackberry has, but it's good enough for most things, so on the Exchange-hookup end of things, RIM doesn't have any particular edge. Yes, it could go full Android, but then, well, it's fighting in a sea of Android devices, some, like Samsung, who have been sailing these waters a lot longer.

      RIM sat on its laurels during very crucial years of 2007-2010, when Apple, and then Google, began rolling over the market place. RIM utterly misjudged the market, assuming that Apple and Google would just be consumer-grade products, and RIM would always hold the corporate ground... except that didn't happen, and now iPhones and high-end Androids are all over the place (where I work, three staff in the last month have got permission to start checking mail and scheduling via iPhones or Androids, and I expect we'll probably have ten or more by the middle of summer). The dividing line between consumer device and business device has utterly melted, and RIM is so far back now that short of basically buying someone else's high end Android and slapping their name on it, I don't really see what they can do.

      I think RIM will either die, or will be bought up. I don't know who exactly would buy it up, though. I can't imagine Microsoft wanting to end up competing against its own Windows offerings by buying RIM, but there is still some RIM technology that might be attractive to someone.

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    10. Re:What's With All The RIM Hate? by MogNuts · · Score: 2

      Oh boy. Some fanboy didn't like me pointing out the obvious.

  5. RIM may be in freefall by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Informative

    RIM still made $3.64 billion in revenue last year, for $197.5 million in profit (a huge drop from last year, but they are still making money). RIM definitely could still succeed, but not like this. They are still a massive company with a huge name-brand, they just need to figure out how to use that. It may be unlikely, but I wouldn't mind seeing them succeed: more competition in the smartphone industry could be a very good thing. I'd hate to see it turn into a pure Android/iOS duopoly with no chance of a third competitor (Windows Phone... doesn't really count).

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    1. Re:RIM may be in freefall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Those are the quarterly numbers. In the year ending March 2012 they made $18B in revenue and $1.5B in earnings.

    2. Re:RIM may be in freefall by rsmith-mac · · Score: 2

      What makes this interesting is that one can so easily see the future of RIM so far out. All things considered they're doing well - they're still making a respectable profit and phone sales are near their peak. Yet at the same time they're almost entirely coasting by on momentum, as they haven't released a blockbuster product in quite some time. RIM may be fine now, but they have next to nothing to keep their customers over the long term, and that's their problem.

  6. And now they're doing a "strategic review" by compro01 · · Score: 2

    And now they're bringing in JP Morgan and RBC to do a strategic review of the company.

    Maybe they can still salvage things.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/05/29/rim-shares-halted-jpmorgan-rbc_n_1553968.html

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  7. Amazing amount of mismanagement by Y-Crate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    NY Times

    Since 2007, RIM has introduced 37 models. The company, in a statement, said it did not know how many models were on the market.

    Adding to the shopping confusion are RIM’s product names, which generally rely on four-digit model numbers and sometimes have different products sharing a name. The BlackBerry Torch 9850 and 9860 are touch-screen phones that are on some shelves next to the BlackBerry Torch 9800 and 9810, touch-screen phones with slide-out keyboards. (The model number differences reflect models adapted for different cellphone systems.)

    By contrast, Apple has introduced only four iPhones since 2008 and all were basically the same phone with differences in the amount of storage, or upgrades from older models.

    Ironic that RIM is losing-out to the likes of Apple, by making the same mistake Apple did back in the dark days of the '90s, when it seemed like there was a new Performa out every week.

    1. Re:Amazing amount of mismanagement by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      That's because they have no strategy other than "HOLY FUCK! Look at all those Android and iOS smart devices! What are we gonna do? We'd better just start flinging shit at the wall. Some of it has got to stick!"

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    2. Re:Amazing amount of mismanagement by PCM2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ironic that RIM is losing-out to the likes of Apple, by making the same mistake Apple did back in the dark days of the '90s, when it seemed like there was a new Performa out every week.

      Exactly this. When Jobs came back to Apple, he drew a box on a whiteboard and drew a cross through it. Four quadrants: Pro/Consumer on top and Desktop/Portable along the side. Instead of all these crappy Performas and 4400s and what-not, Apple relaunched with four computer products, grand total. Those were iMac/Power Mac G3 and iBook/PowerBook.

      Why can't RIM do this? It could probably get away with two models: BlackBerry (which has a nicer camera, movie player, and integrates nicely with Facebook) and BlackBerry Pro (which has slightly nicer build quality and some kind of easy VPN capability, or something). Model numbers disappear -- they just upgrade the hardware every year or two. It would go a long way to address the problem of sitting on too much inventory.

      Then launch it with a decent TV ad campaign. "Imagine a phone... blah blah blah ... introducing the new BlackBerry, from Research in Motion." And then, when customers go to the store, they just tell the clerk "I want that new BlackBerry." Clerk hands him a box that says "BlackBerry" on it. Simple.

      Never happen.

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  8. Inventory by PCM2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Organizational efficiency" certainly sounds like job cuts. But hopefully it means RIM might take a look at its manufacturing efficiency, as well.

    At Apple, Steve Jobs always invested heavily in modern, automated assembly lines for its products, because he realized that the problem of too much inventory is particularly risky for computer makers. If you think about it, technology products have relatively short shelf lives. You can't sit on a pile of inventory and sell it for the next few years, like you could if you were making hammers or dinner plates. By next year, your inventory of shiny gadgets might effectively be junk. So the key is to develop a manufacturing process -- and equally important, supply partnerships -- that allow you to manufacture products at an incredibly fast rate, so that you can respond to market demand rapidly. If the market wants tons of units, ramp up production. When it cools off, stop making more. Then you don't have to sit on so much inventory.

    If RIM is sitting on $1 billion in inventory, it certainly sounds like it grossly overestimated the demand for some of its products at launch. But it also suggests that it either isn't paying close enough attention to the market numbers, or is unable to react quickly enough to them. Working on either one might save it some money.

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  9. Pure Profit by organgtool · · Score: 2

    RIM has said it aims to save $1 billion in operating costs this fiscal year by cutting its number of manufacturing sites

    On the plus side, at this rate it won't be long before RIM has no operating cost and is left with pure profit!

  10. Re:Fair Enough. by epiphani · · Score: 2

    5 years is a long time in the mobile industry. Are you telling me your employees would be happy with a first generation iphone?

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  11. TERRIBLE writeup by Scareduck · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From TFA:

    The value of the company’s inventory climbed to $1.03 billion last quarter, up from $618 million a year earlier. Back in mid-2008, when the BlackBerry was still a hot seller and RIM’s stock traded at an all-time high of $147.55, the figure was less than $500 million.

    Nowhere in that article does it suggest that 100% of the current inventory will have to be written off. A terrible writeup from someone who clearly has reading comprehension problems.

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  12. What the fsck... by swb · · Score: 2

    ....does this mean?

    But yet if you actually used a Blackberry, as a smartphone (and not an App machine) ...

    So a Blackberry is a "smartphone" if you use it as a phone and presumably as an email device, but any other use isn't "smartphone" but is instead an "app machine", which presumably means stupid shit like Angry Birds and not useful apps, like a SSH client or a mapping client or something else.

    It sounds like the problem Blackberry has is that it's not a very smart phone.

  13. That J P Morgan? by Kupfernigk · · Score: 2

    The one that dropped $7 billion on trades recently? Oh dear.

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  14. Re:They're going to go bust. by marcosdumay · · Score: 2

    Companies don't go burst while profitable and with sustainable debits only. Before they go burst, one of those must change.

  15. Re:Why doesn't RIM abandon their terrible OS? by Octorian · · Score: 3, Informative

    They actually are abandoning their legacy OS. While it may have been a great smartphone OS when originally introduced, its been pushed far beyond its design limits and is very much running out of steam.

    The new OS in development, which is currently called "BlackBerry 10" (formerly called "BBX") is using the same basic modern architecture as everyone else. Under the covers, its using QNX (a POSIX-compliant realtime multitasking OS). On the surface, RIM is building a whole software stack and set of applications. They've got a new UI framework based on C++/Qt called Cascades. They're also supporting a variety of additional development options, including raw native code (for game developers), HTML5-based apps, Adobe Air, and even the "Android runtime".

    They've also been holding a whole series of developer events to promote the new platform, and are seeding developer devices to help everyone get started with it. If you actually dig up and see what they've been working on, its obvious that they're dead serious about moving forward to the future.

    Of course this all takes time, but they are fully committed to building out the new platform. They've even engaged the whole developer community directly, in more ways than many realize. They've been posting a ton of open source content, and have made many of their developers and program managers directly accessible to the developers out there in the community.

    So people, please stop thinking they're some stodgy company still trying to push 5-year-old phones. They've changed a lot since then. It just takes time for everything to come to market, and even more time for the popular-press (who seems to have negative retorts "in the can" prior to RIM press releases being published) to notice.