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Why Kids Should Be Building Rockets Instead of Taking Tests

An anonymous reader writes "MAKE Magazine founder Dale Dougherty has an article in Slate about how educators are missing the punchline when it comes to getting kids interested in learning. He describes a recent visit he made to a middle school: 'The science lab was empty, as were the library and the playground. It was not a school holiday: It was a state-mandated STAR testing day. The school was in an academic lockdown. This is what the American public school looks like in 2012, driven by obsessive adherence to standardized testing. The fate of children, their schools, and their teachers are based on these school test scores.' Dougherty's preference would be to more tightly integrate basic engineering projects into the science curriculum. 'I see the power of engaging kids in science and technology through the practices of making and hands-on experiences, through tinkering and taking things apart. Schools seem to have forgotten that students learn best when they are engaged; in fact, the biggest problem in schools is boredom. Students sit passively, expected to absorb all the content that is thrown at them without much context. The context that's missing is the real world."

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  1. Educators aren't missing the punchline... by fotbr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're doing exactly what they've been told to do by the system that politics has created. To fix our schools, you need to keep congress's nose out of the process, return responsibility to the individual states and local boards of education.

    1. Re:Educators aren't missing the punchline... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because if anyone knows how to create a quality education its the idiots that elect your local school board.

    2. Re:Educators aren't missing the punchline... by DesScorp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're doing exactly what they've been told to do by the system that politics has created. To fix our schools, you need to keep congress's nose out of the process, return responsibility to the individual states and local boards of education.

      While I agree with your sentiments, educators are not only missing the punchline, they're one of the primary drivers behind the current system. Have a look at the curriculum of various education degree programs at colleges and universities... especially on the graduate side. You'll find a devotion to rigid institutional orthodoxy, and an almost cultish drive to keep non-education majors out of the the teaching ranks. Teaching has become something of a guild.

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    3. Re:Educators aren't missing the punchline... by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The "better" system this guy proposes wouldn't work any better. How would you know which student learned, and which did not, if you do not have testing? What would happen is that a few students do all the work, while the other students slackoff and do nada. (Been there; experienced it)

      How do you eliminate bad teachers like the joker I had who wasted 40 minutes of every class talking about his karate lessons and/or last weekend at the bar? You need testing to see if the teacher is really teaching, or not.

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    4. Re:Educators aren't missing the punchline... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean, "local" schoolboards like the Texas one? See here for an example? I'll never understand why people think that local politicians are somehow better than Washington politicians. If anything, they can be worse, because there are far more possibilities for them to go completely off the deep end and be unchallenged.

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    5. Re:Educators aren't missing the punchline... by magarity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because if anyone knows how to create a quality education its the idiots that elect your local school board.

      Are you trying to imply the federal department of education has higher quality idiots than the local school board?

    6. Re:Educators aren't missing the punchline... by realmolo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You've got it exactly backwards.

      The states and local boards of education are THE PROBLEM.

      Public education in this country is a magnet for failed middle-managers and failed politicians. They use local school districts to build their little fiefdoms, and to line the pockets of their friends with government contracts for construction, and books, and computers, and all that crap. Education is the LAST thing on their minds, and the glorification of standardized testing works right into their hands. Standardized testing means that school districts don't need to worry about actually TEACHING. They just need to teach the test. And they don't want to "teach the test" TOO well, because they want the federal government to keep throwing money at them, which the feds don't like to do for schools that are performing well already.

      It's a giant mess. And almost ALL of the mess starts at the local school board level. They're crooks, the lot of them.

    7. Re:Educators aren't missing the punchline... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So that individual states can ban the teaching of evolution and institutionally ignoring climate change? If they can't find, or don't want to pay for someone who happens to understand alternating current versus direct current that's no problem, they'll just make whomever is the least liked teacher amongst the department do it.

      Education should be a federal responsibility, US students go to schools all around the country, and compete on an international stage. Allowing one state to permanently disadvantage its children by institutionalizing stupidity is precisely the sort of thing that federal governments should work to prevent. Nor is it fair that a child in a poor state will have less education resources just because that's where he or she was born, when someone who had the foresight to be born in a rich neighbourhood in a rich state will get a much better experience.

      That doesn't make any given standardized test a good idea, and it certainly doesn't make a lot of standardized testing a good idea. But you can't serious want a system where you have no idea how the kids are doing or where you need improvement. Big states (think New York, Florida, Texas, California) will still have to have some sort of standardized testing because they are big enough to warrant it, but when each state does it you can't even compare state to state easily.

      The world is in an era where you can be born in India, raised in Dubai for public school, go to highschool in Georgia (the State), got to University in California, work in New York. At no step in that process do you really want states determining your education. Does Georgia (the state) really want to have some criteria on how to assess a student coming in from every country in the world? Does some university in California really want to have thousands of different metrics for every state in every country in the world to try and figure out who to admit, and does some company based in New York really want a situation where it can't trust education from some states, but not others, and to try and figure out how to track all of that? That system is enormously wasteful, and mind numbingly stupid. Part of why the US system has so many holes in it is because individual states and school boards have decided their should be holes. (Think Kansas and Texas on evolution).

      Giving individual states responsibility for something makes sense if you can then extract the good ideas and apply them federally. It's not like states would ever be completely excluded from the process no more than the local school board or individual teacher are ever excluded from the process. But if you're all going to be americans, or south koreans or whatever, you should hope that the federal government will make sure you all get a fair opportunity if the states won't. Which they can't anymore.

      If you want a truly harsh example look at what is going to happen to kids in Greece and Spain compared to germany and france. The former two are going to have to savagely cut education (along with everything else) because they're fucked in a currency union without a fiscal union. Those kids are going to have a much harder time helping their countries fix problems in 10 years because they aren't going to be as well prepared. Should some kid born in california get a shitty education because some dipshits voted for more spending and less taxes for the last 30 years, and left no money for schools today? They're having their futures held hostage by a stupid political process which they aren't responsible for nor even a part of.

    8. Re:Educators aren't missing the punchline... by Shotgun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because, we do not have a citizen legislature (if we ever did), and it would still be impossible to get everyone on the same page if we did.

      1) When the Washington pols go off the deep end, they drag everybody down with them.
      2) One size fits all rarely fits anyone.
      3) Local schoolboards know better what is needed for their locality than a politician living in Washington.

      The "but then something I dislike could happen in one place" is a vapid argument.

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    9. Re:Educators aren't missing the punchline... by samkass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How do you eliminate bad teachers like the joker I had who wasted 40 minutes of every class talking about his karate lessons and/or last weekend at the bar? You need testing to see if the teacher is really teaching, or not.

      You do what people do in every other employment field. 360-degree evaluations, manager involvement and leadership, peer reviews, and (appropriately weighted) student feedback questionnaires. Sure, throw a test in there as well if you'd like. But the idea that student ("customer") betterment should be the one and only thing on which everything rests is a little misguided. Not only is it not a very good judge of an employees quality as they have limited control over some of the most important parts of learning (ie. parental involvement, student interest in the subject, local funding resources), but it's also not great for the students' education itself.

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    10. Re:Educators aren't missing the punchline... by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is there are two standard textbooks in the USA. Texas and California. They are about equally fucked, in opposite directions.

      I think you start the students thinking critically early and give them both.

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    11. Re:Educators aren't missing the punchline... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, because "anti-religious bigots" are imagining things like this:

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/13/us-usa-education-tennessee-idUSBRE83C0JR20120413

      The fact of the matter is that a relatively small number of fringe religious lunatics are wielding a HUGELY disproportionate amount of influence in American politics in general (and with respect to "evolution vs creationsim" in schools in particular, to make it relevant to this thread).

      Do you honestly think we're better off with public policy decisions being grounded in religious dogma?

    12. Re:Educators aren't missing the punchline... by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, in this one specific case, the government is less crazy, but history is replete with examples to the contrary. Totalitarian states love nothing more than central control of education - it's the ultimate weapon in information warfare. It's happening right now in a great many contries: the most outrageous propaganda taught in schools by order of the central authority (really, creationism is minor in comparison).

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    13. Re:Educators aren't missing the punchline... by bogjobber · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe because the "diverse, alternative world-views" are demonstrably false, unscientific, and have absolutely no function other than as a tool fundamentalists use to further their own political goals?

      Why do you think caring about the separation of church and state guaranteed to us in the constitution makes someone "obsessive."

  2. Re:Teach the test? by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It may be a suboptimal result but it is at least a demonstrable result.

    People like to whine about rote learning and facts, but before you start applying "more sophisticated thinking" you have to have a solid grasp of the facts.

    You have to have something that can be measured.

    Clearly this idea scares a lot of people.

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  3. Standardized Testing - by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Virtually useless, until someone invents a standardized student.

    Education will suffer until the Powers-That-Be realize not every person learns the same way.

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  4. Re:Because they'll explode in their faces by Kergan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You Sir, should watch 5 dangerous things kids should do:

    http://www.ted.com/talks/gever_tulley_on_5_dangerous_things_for_kids.html

  5. Does that include localizing the funding? by John+Jorsett · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To fix our schools, you need to keep congress's nose out of the process, return responsibility to the individual states and local boards of education.

    Would you also eliminate federal funding and let states and localities pay for their own schools? Unless you do, the feds are going to put conditions on what they're paying for, and justifiably so. Personally I'd like to see the feds out of many areas, including education, since their participation comes with a lot of strings.

  6. Re:Because they'll explode in their faces by v1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My mom hit at least three of those with me at an early age. I just love the saying "Don't childproof the world, worldproof the child"

    We seem to be raising generations of ever-less-capable people by trying to childproof the world

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  7. Re:Because they'll explode in their faces by plover · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You already stretched the imagination when you imagined the rocket blowing up. Do you know how much work it takes to get the fuel in a commercial Estes model rocket engine to blow up? They're designed for maximum safety.

    You sort of have the right idea, in that you should teach them in phases. You might start out with a demonstration to capture their interest: the teacher launches a rocket. Then, you teach them some theory - just enough for them to be successful. Then you have a construction phase, where you build models, and perhaps wind tunnel test them. Then you teach them range safety, just before taking them outside again for the launch.

    The most important thing to teach them is that range safety is #1, and is not negotiable. Anyone violating it will be escorted away, no second chance to fire their rocket, and enforce that rule like iron, parents' whining be damned. As the adult, you'd be the range safety officer, and you'd always maintain the launch keys in your possession. Do those simple steps and it is not only far safer than gym class, but a fun experience they'll remember.

    The most dangerous part? Asking parents to pay for the kits. Teachers don't have a lot of spare money for stuff like this, and bulk educational packets of rockets cost about $50 per 12 rockets. Multiply by 36 students per each overcrowded class, and you have to come up with $150 per class. About half your students will be from households where their parent(s) can't afford a $5 kit, so you need to find a beneficiary or you'll be paying that $75 out of your own pocket. If you go asking for money too often, the parents will likely complain to the principal and you'll find you're risking your job by just trying to be good at it.

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  8. Re:Because they'll explode in their faces by element-o.p. · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now...a rocket blowing up is not "little" by any stretch of the imagination. And usually it doesn't provide a second chance (the event)....kids should be allowed to do more things, but unfortunately rocket building is not one of them.

    You, sir, are a fine example of what is wrong with America. You know not what you are speaking of, and consequently, you are filled with fear because of what you don't know.

    At 13, I blew up a model rocket engine in my face. Guess what? I'm still here (23 years later). No scars. No permanent damage. No missing appendages. I'm FINE, albeit I have a bit more respect for warning labels and for not doing stupid things that I frikken' KNOW are stupid, and yes, I knew what I was doing when I blew up the engine that it was a Really Dumb Idea (the engine wouldn't ignite, so I ground it up into a powder and tried to light it with a match -- kids don't try this at home!). I flew rockets from about age eight (with my dad doing most of the work) through college (solo) with not a single injury other than the above incident. In fact, I've carried on the tradition with my own kids now that I'm a dad myself; I'm currently building a twin-engine D-size rocket to boost an Arduino, which I'll be using to measure air temperature, air pressure and acceleration. I've had far more injuries due to riding a bicycle than I have had flying rockets -- do you therefore want to ban bicycles, too?

    There's a reason they call that science: rocket science.

    Ummm...because it's science, and involves rockets? What NASA or Space-X does *is* really hard, because they are dealing with very, very large, very, very powerful and very, very complex machines, which have to fly very precise trajectories. An A- through C-size model rocket is many, many orders of magnitude less complex and less dangerous, particularly if you don't try to DIY your engines. Building and flying such a rocket is well within the capabilities of a jr. high school student; designing and building such a rocket is well within the capabilities of a high school student with a little supervision from a high school science teacher.

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