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Microsoft Ignores Usability With All-Caps Menu in Visual Studio

mikejuk writes "The recent release of Visual Studio 2012 contained a UI element that few believed could make it into the final version — ALL-CAPS menus. After lots of user criticism and disbelief, Microsoft has moved swiftly to do something about it — by tweaking the typography. '... we explored designs with and without uppercase styling. In the end we determined it to be a very effective way of providing structure and emphasis to the top menu area in Visual Studio 2012.' This must be a new meaning of the word 'structure,' because putting the menu items into all-caps means that they are all the same height. When each menu items starts with a cap then there is structure because you can see the change in height, marking the start of the next menu item. The idea that putting a menu into all caps adds structure is something that is very difficult to see. If you wanted to put structure into a menu, well how about color? Oh wait, I forgot the design department dumped color in favour of the 'everything-is-grey UI.' Developers are the people who invented CamelCase to make sure that the structure of run together words would stand out better — and now we are asked to believe that making a menu all-caps adds structure. I don't think so."

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  1. All part of their retro-COBOL strategy by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Funny

    You see, MS is so hip, so ahead of the curve, that they know already that COBOL is about to come back into style in the developer world. Soon everything will be in all caps, mainframes will be all the rage, and GUI's will be passe. Apple will be behind the times with their over-designed software, and MS will be out in front with their all caps, command-line interface only version of Windows 9--renamed "DOS 9 FOR TERMINALS."

    GOOD JOB, MICROSOFT!

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    1. Re:All part of their retro-COBOL strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      THEY WERE INTO COMPUTERS WHEN THE GREAT RUNES ROAMED THE DISPLAY. YOU'VE PROBABLY NEVER HEARD OF THEM, THOUGH.








      (Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING. Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING. Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.)

    2. Re:All part of their retro-COBOL strategy by gbjbaanb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      alas mainframes (or at least - thin clients attached to remote processing power somewhere on a network) are back, only they called them "the cloud" this time round to make it sound a bit cooler.

  2. Iâ(TM)m horrified. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Funny

    Iâ(TM)m horrified. Absolutely shocked. I tell you, this is the final nail in Microsoft and Visual Studioâ(TM)s coffin. Oh, and âoeMy eyes, it burns! The goggles do nothing!â

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    1. Re:Iâ(TM)m horrified. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh great, another interface screwed up by the design department.
      Someone should fire a few UI designers stat!

      At least it's not the worst graphical interface sold at retail.
      That honor goes to Lotus Notes.

    2. Re:Iâ(TM)m horrified. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    3. Re:Iâ(TM)m horrified. by VGPowerlord · · Score: 5, Informative

      IÃ(TM)m horrified. Absolutely shocked. I tell you, this is the final nail in Microsoft and Visual StudioÃ(TM)s coffin. Oh, and ÃoeMy eyes, it burns! The goggles do nothing!Ã

      Your post burns my eyes.

      I assumed the joke was that he typed that text into Word, then copy-pasted it into his web browser and submitted it.

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    4. Re:Iâ(TM)m horrified. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Iâ(TM)m horrified that you canâ(TM)t seem to find a simple apostraphe button on your keyboard. (here's one you can borrow ' actually, here's a bunch ''''''''''')

  3. MS are fully into change-for-its-own-sake mode now by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Previously barring a lot of eye candy that could be turned off , MS did generally get their UI about right. Now with spillover effect from Win8 they seem to have completely lost the plot and this is simply an example of them reloading the gun once more to take aim at whatever is left of their feet.

  4. Are you surprised? by LizardKing · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is the company that gave us the ribbon. Otherwise known as the chaos strip, since it seems to randomly rearrange itself to ensure that function you're looking for is never less than half a dozen clicks away. It's a bit like a supermarket, where they deliberately move stuff around in order to make shoppers seek out the things they usually buy in the hope they might chance across - and end up buying - things they haven't seen before.

  5. Relearning... by Atzanteol · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As I understand it road signs (or many of them) in the UK used to be in caps but studies showed that mixed-case was much easier to read (which mattered more as cars got faster) since we're looking for familiar patterns.

    Looks like Microsoft will need to re-learn this lesson...

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  6. Blog author knows what they are talking about by chaidawg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only someone who has a website with such bad usability can truly see horrible usability in others' work.

    1. Re:Blog author knows what they are talking about by hjf · · Score: 5, Informative

      You beat me to it. The guy is whining about "usability" and yet:

      his website is a horrible mix of:

      • Late 2000's Rounded edges
      • Late 1990's Awful Blue and thick lines
      • Early 2000's OS X style rounded button menu
      • Text in the buttons not vertically centered
      • Corners around the silly rounded "logo" aren't transparent
      • I had to move the jQuery picture window to see the stuff, and scroll horizontally to close it clicking on a tiny X
      • "Picture window -> click X to close". Really, usability guy?

      I could go on but I think I've pointed enough mistakes. I can't believe someone with a website like that has the nerve to criticize Microsoft (or anyone) for using uppercase menus.

  7. Ribbon menu by avandesande · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How come they haven't created a 'ribbon menu' for Visual Studio? Perhaps this is tacit admission that the Ribbon Menu sucks and is inefficient.

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    1. Re:Ribbon menu by avandesande · · Score: 5, Funny

      I used to code .NET but am a manager now. Suddenly a VS Ribbon Menu sounds appealing! ;-)

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  8. Re:MS are fully into change-for-its-own-sake mode by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mod up! This is absurdly true. Office got a new interface that it didn't need that seems no better (just different) from its last interface. Now the same thing is being done for windows. Why not just add a "Tablet/Phone Shell Mode" and be done with it? I'd me much more interested in a faster file system, fast, usable search (still waiting, Microsoft), fewer blue screens, Azure presented in such a way that anyone can host any windows application, legacy or not (Once again, they miss the obvious).

    In the last 20 years, Microsoft has been busy solving problems nobody I know seems to have had. I guess they're just going to continue the tradition.

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  9. It can be turned off by Ececheira · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you go to the source, http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/06/05/a-design-with-all-caps.aspx, they note that there will be an option to disable it.

    There's also a blog post that shows the registry key that works today to disable it.

  10. Re:MS are fully into change-for-its-own-sake mode by c · · Score: 5, Funny

    > In the last 20 years, Microsoft has been busy solving
    > problems nobody I know seems to have had.

    That's not entirely fair. In the last 10 years, Microsoft has been very busy solving problems they themselves created in the previous 10 years.

    That being said, Windows 8 is looking like they're ready to start another 10 year cycle of creating new problems.

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  11. Re:MS are fully into change-for-its-own-sake mode by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 5, Funny

    Speaking of Windows 8, maybe they should just get rid of the menus altogether! Instead, you should have to point to an invisible, 2-pixel-wide area of the lower-left corner of the window to see a full-screen page of active tiles representing what Visual Studio can do with your project. Each tile should move, spin, twirl, or change color in some way to keep your eyes busy while you look for the item you want. And since it's hard to do multi-touch on a desktop, it should require two mice to operate!

  12. changed in 1965 in the UK after 1958 testing by fantomas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    UK road signs were changed to their current style after testing in 1958, there's a nice summary on the BBC. This new mixed upper and lower case style became legally required on 01 January 1965.

      So yes indeed, typographical designers understood this in the UK quite a while before it was a widely discussed computer interface debate..