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The Billions In Mobile Ad Money Nobody Can Grab

jfruh writes "Here's a pressing mystery: despite users spending an increasing amount on their mobile phones, mobiile advertising only produces 20% of the revenues per page that web advertising does. This seems like a big opportunity for somebody, but a whole complex of reasons might mean that it isn't just a matter of someone being smart enough to do mobile ads right. The whole advertising industry, which in many ways still resembles the Mad Men-era old boy's network, simply may not be equipped to cope."

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  1. Cant be done "right". by Kenja · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The screen real-estate on a mobile device is too tight for an add to be non-intrusive and simply piss people off. Annoyed customers are not paying customers.

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    1. Re:Cant be done "right". by arisvega · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The screen real-estate on a mobile device is too tight ..

      As is bandwidth. Which also tends to be ridiculously overpriced.

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    2. Re:Cant be done "right". by scamper_22 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes... annoyed customers are not happy customers. But that doesn't mean you can make good mobile ads.

      When ads first hit the desktop, there were insanely annoying. Pop-ups everywhere, blinkers... then some like Google figured it out.

      The same rules apply on the phone as they do to the web. Your ads must not be annoying and if possible, they must be useful.

      Every Google search is a potential ad. Heck, there are times, I don't know where to buy something or don't know about competitors... and Google does the ads for it. Now, they need to get better at that.. .even on the desktop.

      Just recently my umbrella failed me due to excessive winds. I was in the market for a new one. Perfect opportunity for Google to present me with good ads and sales for my region. Wasn't very useful though...Why is Google showing me ads for WIND mobile? But the potential is there. I did eventually click on some gustbuster link... I'm guessing google gets some money from that.

      The same goes for mobile use. They can figure out a way... especially for searches and localization. Targeted advertising has huge potential even if they don't do much personal information. Just what you searched for and your location could be huge.

      There's even money for the mobile device makers... and not just Google. As you say due to real-estate, it might be hard to just show ads. So maybe instead of Gmail going through your mail for ads, your OS (iphone, android. Windows phone...) does some analysis and can provide you with notifications in a their app / os in a mobile optimized way.

    3. Re:Cant be done "right". by Roogna · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Annoyed customers are not paying customers.

      Hulu could stand to learn from this. In general their ads are just what they are, but they always have that "Is this ad relevant to you?" thing up in the corner. There's some ads that I dislike, so much, I actually take the effort to click no on. Surprisingly I then continue to see those ads over and over again. This generally just annoys me to the point where I would never, ever, purchase whatever product that is, or from whatever company is advertising.

      Ironically the advertisers could get a much bigger bank for their buck by not wasting money showing a particular ad to people who have already said that the ad doesn't interest them.

    4. Re:Cant be done "right". by bitt3n · · Score: 5, Funny

      The screen real-estate on a mobile device is too tight for an add to be non-intrusive and simply piss people off. Annoyed customers are not paying customers.

      they should take advantage of the speaker phone, so when your GPS detects you're walking by CVS, your phone announces "TIRED OF DEALING WITH THAT EMBARRASSING INCONTINENCE PROBLEM YOU GOOGLED ABOUT? WHY NOT PICK UP SOME DEPENDS AT 5% OFF WHEN BUNDLED WITH YOUR HERCEPTIN PRESCRIPTION?"

    5. Re:Cant be done "right". by epp_b · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly right. Ad-supported programs only encourage me to search for alternatives that don't insult and annoy me. Especially annoying are the unskippable (or delayed-skip) video ads that appear before program startup or between program actions (ie.: Words with Friends, MixZing).

      Listen up mobile software writers: the way to entice people to buy your software is to release a limited version for free and a full-featured version for sale with additional, useful features. But don't omit so many features that will cripple the free version into uselessness, that will only cause users to lose confidence in your software (ie.: if I buy the program, how can I be sure that these features work properly?)

      It's called "the first taste is free" and it's one of the oldest tricks in marketing.

      For example, I downloaded an volume levels program (I refuse to use the word "app" since Apple has doucherized the term) called AudioGuru which can set the various volume levels on the phone differently according to the time of day. The free version that I use has only a single daily schedule, the paid version can schedule varyingly according to the day of the week.

      See? It's still useful, not annoying, but the additional features would make it more useful and convenient. I will try it for a little while and I may find that I forget to set the volume on days where the schedule would change.

      Select the features you'll omit by balancing users' money with their time and convenience, not by annoying them (hint: ads are annoying).

      There you go, developers, you can have this tip for free. Now, please stop pissing us off with your ad BS.

    6. Re:Cant be done "right". by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What you don't understand is they want the ad to stick in your mind. Granted if you are so aggravated that you might select a competitors product out of spite that is a problem; but for the most you answering that question, even in the negative means the ad worked!

      They just got you to think consciously about the content of their ad enough for you to directly act on it. Most ads are more or less ignored. Before sn ad can accomplish anything else its got to get your attention. You answering the "was this relevant" question at all proves they did that much. The nature of the question requiring to think about what you just watched increases the likelihood you will remember it later as well, another win.

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    7. Re:Cant be done "right". by steelfood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the desktop, you pay for the connection, but there's no limit to how much you can download (outside of the max bandwidth x time calculation). In that case, the price of advertising is fairly cheap to the consumer.

      On the phone, you're paying by the bit. This means even the extra text that gets sent across the air to your phone is costing you money. That cost becomes fairly significant when you're receiving flash or HTML5 ads with animation and video and whatnot.

      The answer to why mobile advertising remains largely untapped is fairly obvious: it directly impacts the customer's wallet.

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  2. Mobile ads are a waste of time, space, and money. by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Be honest those of you who have a smart phone, when is the last time you saw an ad on it and seriously thought about even clicking it, much less spending money on what was shown?

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  3. Re:Mobile ads are a waste of time, space, and mone by SJHillman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I saw an ad once that interested me, but I didn't click on it simply because it would have exited the app I was in and switched to a web browser. If my phone had the equivalent of a taskbar that allows you to quickly and easily switch between open programs, then I probably would have clicked it. Of course, that was one ad in the seven months I've owned a smartphone.

  4. Re:Mobile ads are a waste of time, space, and mone by Missing.Matter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Advertising isn't always about getting you to buy a product then and there. While that's nice, it can be much more subtle than that. For instance I've never seen a TV ad for mouth wash and rushed out to the store right after to buy some. But the next time I did actually want to buy mouthwash, I went to the grocery store and was confronted with about half a dozen brands. Which one do I buy? Well, probably the one that is more familiar to me, the one I have seen advertised the most.

  5. My theory by gman003 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My own theory is that the whole "personalized ads" concept is bullshit, at least when it's taken as far as it is now.

    Someone who knows me EXACTLY (which seems to be what they're trying to do) would recommend to me pretty much just the things I already buy, and would buy anyways. I don't think I've *ever* clicked on an ad and bought what they were selling. Even if they could read my mind, all they would really be doing is giving me the link I'd be clicking on in a few seconds *anyways*.

    In fact, it seems to do the exact opposite. I bought an SSD recently, and ever since my GMail has been showing nothing but ads for SSDs. Way to completely miss your chance - I probably won't need another for months, at the earliest. Or when I bought a laptop, for the next few weeks it was showing ads for Alienware laptops.

    And then sometimes it gets things just completely, absolutely wrong. I swear that at one point, my Droid was *convinced* that I was a gay black man with AIDS. Wrong on all counts save that yes, I am male. I don't even know how it came up with that - there is literally nothing I've done that would support that idea. Needless to say, the "gay thug dating" and "HIV testing" ads had a zero chance of getting money from me (although it did get quite a few laughs).

    So maybe the problem is that the entire framework of economic/advertising theories they're working on are *wrong*. Like when all the physicists' theories about the luminiferous ether had to be thrown out when it was demonstrated that no such thing existed. I would not be surprised if, decades from now, we look back at all this tracking and personalized advertising the way we currently look back at the "radiation" fad of the 50's - a lot of really bad ideas that we now know are completely wrong.

  6. Re:Mobile ads are a waste of time, space, and mone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Android has a task bar type thing. When you hold the "Home" button for 3 seconds it brings up you most recent applications. Tapping on an application pulls it's most recent state from the stack and restores it exactly as you left it.

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  7. The trouble with advertising on smartphones by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's the screen real estate problem, of course. More important, though, is the business model. Phones are sold to carriers. They make their money from service charges. They don't need ads. They'd rather have paid services be paid for through them.

  8. It works here, too by Lord+Grey · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The whole advertising industry, which in many ways still resembles the Mad Men-era old boy's network, simply may not be equipped to cope."

    Or vagina.

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  9. Push ads are dying, if not dead by losttoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The whole ad industry and it's suppliers (Google, FB etc) are run by marketers. The fundamental theory that drives marketing is that the more you advertise, the better you sell (up to a point of marginal returns). No one has seriously looked at this approach to marketing in a long time. The result is that the billions spent on TV/Radio/Newspaper are moving to online advertising. While online advertising offers improved feedback, it basically is push advertising - shoving something in front of you in the hope that you will bite. Well, think for yourself, does that work for you? I, mostly, am supremely annoyed by push ads and I think the age of push ads will quickly die. In the future, marketers will have to engage more personally with buyers and require more humans to interact with buyers to form some sort of trust. The age of holding (and hiding behind) a big megaphone and blasting your message will quickly come to an end.

  10. Unwanted by sqrt(2) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Advertising is unwanted, and intended to mislead. It is especially obnoxious on a platform that costs a lot of money and has a small screen. Phones and plans are expensive and then on top of that you tell people they are going to see ads? They're not going to be happy. I especially hate efforts to spy on me in order to increase the effectiveness of ads that I don't want to see for products I don't want.

    Moreover, I find *ALL* advertising to be annoying and unwanted, the more custom tailored it is to me the more offensive I find it. Also, advertising seems to operate under the assumption that people have money to spend. Tell me, how is an advertising based economy going to work when every year more and more people are unemployed? I don't care how targeted and relevant your ads are, people without jobs aren't going to buy your product/service.

    The advertising economy is headed for a huge crash, and mobile is just an especially obvious example. It's a scam, top to bottom.

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