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Gamer Keeps Civilization II Game Going for 10 Years

Have you ever wondered what a game of Civilization 2 would look like after running for 10 years? According to one gamer it's a "hellish nightmare of suffering and devastation." "Lycerius" says that he's been playing the same game of Civ II off and on for over a decade. Some highlights of the marathon session include: 1700 years of war, the ice caps melting over 20 times, constant guerrilla uprisings, and "Roughly 90% of the world's population has died either from nuclear annihilation or famine caused by the global warming that has left absolutely zero arable land to farm." It's too bad you can't build the Hanging Gardens more than once.

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  1. He must not be that good by Schezar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He must be a pretty crappy gamer if, in all that time, there are still other civilizations in his way with which to have constant nuclear warfare. If he'd actually eliminated the other civilizations, he could easily rebuild everything.

    Also, how on earth did he have so much global warming? That can really only be the effect of poor decisions or poorly waged nuclear war.

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    1. Re:He must not be that good by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 2

      Make it into a MMOG, with groups of players forming "governments" to run specified countries in the game, that'll be even more fun

    2. Re:He must not be that good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I did that once with the original Civ. Played through until about the year 6000 AD. It was a long, hard battle at the start, but as the game progressed I eventually won out. By around 2000 AD I had virtually the entire planet and the AI had one civilization with two cities. In that situation the AI simply won't attack because you're too powerful, so the game continues peacefully virtually for ever. It gets boring pretty fast. Soon everything was covered with railroads and irrigation, the planet was effectively terraformed, all the technology was discovered, the climate was stable because there was no need for production and neither side had nucs. Almost all the cities had masses of happy people, it was basically a very boring utopia.

    3. Re:He must not be that good by XiaoMing · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He must be a pretty crappy gamer if, in all that time, there are still other civilizations in his way with which to have constant nuclear warfare. If he'd actually eliminated the other civilizations, he could easily rebuild everything.

      Also, how on earth did he have so much global warming? That can really only be the effect of poor decisions or poorly waged nuclear war.

      Considering how his biggest gripes are when other countries violate ceasefires, as well as his reluctance in switching away from democracy, it looks like he was trying create an actual society that co-inhabits the world with other societies, rather than just play king of the resource mountain.

    4. Re:He must not be that good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hold on, I'm going to submit your comment as a slashdot story now.

    5. Re:He must not be that good by TFAFalcon · · Score: 2

      Did you overheat the world before settling it fully? I remember that global warming eventually turned every land square into a swamp, and you could turn those into grasslands with your settlers. Since grasslands gave the most food, global warming was good if you wanted a large population.

    6. Re:He must not be that good by Pope · · Score: 2

      I did something similar with the original Civ for DOS. I was playing Prince level on the world map, and managed to wipe out every other country of the planet, except for the Aztecs, who had replaced the Egyptians when I wiped them out early on.

      The Aztecs had one city going *somewhere*, but I hadn't come across them yet. So I kept on my merry expansionist/scientific ways, railroading everywhere I could and making super caravan cities and parking the caravans off on railroad sidings until I needed them. I eventually ran out of units! So each city was reduced to 1 settler and 1 mechanized infantry for defense, but even then I stopped being able to build more units.

      I finally discovered whatever it was that allowed the Apollo Program, and built it in 2 turns in a city out near Kamchatka that I'd created to do nothing but house that Wonder. After I'd built the Program wonder, I finally discovered where the Aztecs were: they'd been plopped down in the middle of Siberia (essentially all woods), and had a city of 1 population and 1 Militia defending it. With not enough food or productions shields to get bigger, it had been in practical stasis since 3000BC-ish.

      I decided to be a bastard and put a diplomat in every square until the city's control to ensure that they couldn't grow and/or attack me. I eventually built a full spaceship and launched it. Final population was around a billion, and final Civ Score was around 240 (I think?). I pretty much gave up playing after that. :)

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    7. Re:He must not be that good by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's a Reddit post describing the situation made by a guy who started the game.

      Apparently, there are three main super powers left and they have been locked in constant war with each other for the past thousand years or more. Every time someone moves beyond the relatively stable front lines, their armies just get nuked into oblivion so no one can really push the attack too far beyond a set border. Spies constantly plant nuclear devices in cities, wiping out the population and spreading pollution. Engineers are generally kept busy building roads to keep moving troops to the front lines so there's not really enough time to clean up the pollution or improve the terrain.

      Basically it's reached a point where it's almost impossible to gain an advantage. Everyone is armed to the teeth and nuclear weapons will demolish just about any army in the field that gets to far across the lines. Everyone is also so committed to the war effort that there's not enough resources to devote to fixing things up and anytime something does get fixed up, it's generally just nuked back to oblivion.

      Sounds like a really fun game of Civ II.

    8. Re:He must not be that good by lord_mike · · Score: 2

      Mr. President, we can't afford to have a mineshaft gap!!

    9. Re:He must not be that good by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apparently, there are three main super powers left and they have been locked in constant war with each other for the past thousand years or more.

      We've always been at war with Eastasia.

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  2. Re:MORONS!!! by Lord+Lode · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is pretty nerdy, and interesting!

  3. So game with GW agenda? by Pecisk · · Score: 2

    I knew it! Those developers are damn liberal hippies! :)

    Seriously though, life defining game series.

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  4. Re:MORONS!!! by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Go look at the front page of any news website
    Now look at this article
    You /can't/ tell me that this is less interesting than whatever crap the media is trying to feed you today.

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  5. Re:Reddit reruns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I for one am sick of hearing about unemployment, the election and Syria. Want to hear about it? Go to News.google, cnn. USA Today, etc.

    Absolutely nothing wrong with nerd news appearing on a nerd website. Just because it isn't exciting enough for YOU doesn't mean others won't like it... nor does it mean everyone watches Reddit Live.

  6. 1984 by David89 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This reminds me of 1984 actually, right down to there being three superpowers left in the world. For those who haven't read it, perpetual war is fought over border zones that constantly change hands, with each power too strong to ever be defeated.

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    1. Re:1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or at least that's what the government tells you...

    2. Re:1984 by ArmchairGeneral · · Score: 2

      I agree, I've played Civ since the very first version and it will always end up with me bring crushed or me crushing everyone (or at least the potential to do so). I'm kind of envious of his 'balance' he has going on. The most balance I ever saw was an ongoing battle I had with an enemy that lasted several centuries...I had more tech he had more units, it was an interesting war with me finally winning, but that scenario only ever happened once.

      And don't get me started on the AI...

    3. Re:1984 by SAN1701 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod parent up, IIRC there's no reason to believe there's an actual war between the 3 superpowers in '1984' book, apart from the totalitarian government propaganda.

    4. Re:1984 by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, IIRC theres good reason NOT to believe that there is a war. As I recall there are several clues point to the fact that there simply isnt any war, and that the entire thing is a hoax to keep the people under control.

  7. Virtual machines by scorp1us · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First, I thought this was about a continuously running game... And my fist thought was dang, I bet he wish he started it in a VM, because he could have kept moving it to new hardware, rateh than keeping that old Pentium IV around. But I guess there's a save-game feature.

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    1. Re:Virtual machines by couchslug · · Score: 2

      You can convert conventional Windows installs to VMs.

      Google it. It's been an option for several years at least.

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    2. Re:Virtual machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hibernate -> Copy HD -> Start in virtual machine.

      I've actually done this.

  8. "how on earth did he have so much global warming?" by StefanJ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Deny it exists and do nothing to stop it?

  9. Re:MORONS!!! by DemomanDeveloper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It also shows that Reddit nowadays is often much more interesting than /.

    I would LOVE to have stories like this on Slashdot, but all we get is some pro-piracy, anti-microsoft circlejerking. The same goes for the comments, obviously. I remember when the John Carmack used to post here - he does not anymore, and you wonder why?

  10. Re:MORONS!!! by ClioCJS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is news. It's an unusual, not-normal occurrence. And it's game related. News for nerds. This is the most interesting thing posted ind ays.

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  11. Re:MORONS!!! by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is cool as frig to see that someone went the distance on it. More often than not, I just said 'screw it' and restarted the game after I reached the main goal and won, or after it was apparent that I was toast. I only went long-term once, and that was only for a month (same schedule, off and on as time permitted). Got way too bored with it at that point, nuked the remaining cities, and restarted the game (or sometimes I'd just go all Anasazi on it and begin to dismantle all my cities to see what happened.)

    I usually won it by being the American team up-front, since the game engineered that particular role to be even more aggressive than the real USA could ever hope to be.

    Best bet though was to find and identify the aggressive mofos up-front, wipe them out post-haste, and then quickly surround the weaker nations with your stuff so that they didn't expand. Eventually, you could leave them with one city apiece, and you own the rest.

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  12. Re:MORONS!!! by RoboRay · · Score: 2
  13. Re:MORONS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is John Carmack. Stop being a bitch.

  14. One more stat by ravnous · · Score: 2

    7,338 tanks destroyed by phalanxes

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  15. Re:MORONS!!! by Trent+Hawkins · · Score: 5, Funny

    you're telling me you don't have Civ2 installed on your desktop? At the very least you must surely have MoO2 or Master of Magic.

    No? Not even x-com on steam? Well... frankly I don't think YOU matter.

  16. Re:MORONS!!! by glassware · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Screenshots here:
    http://imgur.com/a/rAnZs

  17. Re:MORONS!!! by Translation+Error · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Um... This story is on Slashdot.

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  18. Make him president? by bunyip · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow, this guy has some serious management skillz! Maybe he should be running Spain or Greece or the US?

    1. Re:Make him president? by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 2

      You underestimate how difficult it is to achieve this kind of perfect balance in Civ.

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  19. the problem with reddit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem with reddit is that its even more of an echo chamber because of the way they do moderation. Basically its all determined by the masses, like digg was. It used to be (circa 2006) that differing opinions were more visible. Now they are completely buried.

    Also 95% of the stuff on there is memes, pictures of girls or animals, people complaining, or self aggrandizing (bestof, iama, TIL) and also constant reposts of the same crap from 10 years ago.

    In short, its now a "community" as opposed to what it was when it started, a site which didn't require any email verification and was trying to be as anonymous as possible. Now they have karma, anniversaries (cake) and other "features" which make it more like a social networking site than a link agregator. They want people to build up their reputations, but this stifles independent thought. The delays on postings for non long term users is horrible now. Was much better when it was pseudo anonymous and not as popular. I blame the diggers who came over in 2008 or thereabouts.

    all that said, i read it every day, but not usually the comments. Slashdot comments and moderation are far far far superior.

  20. in 10 years... by ftobin · · Score: 2

    I wouldn't be at all surprised that if in 10 years we'll have some people playing the same Minecraft worlds as well. It would even be more interesting, since your "history" would be remembered as you moved from camp to camp.

  21. Re:MORONS!!! by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It also shows that Reddit nowadays is often much more interesting than /.

    A few years ago, everyone was saying the same about Digg--and how Digg was the /. killer. Heard from them lately?

    Reports of slashdot's demise are frequently exaggerated.

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  22. Re:MORONS!!! by UncleTogie · · Score: 2

    Agreed. As a news junkie, /. is just a little too slow with new stories, too.

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  23. Re:Am I Missing Something Here? by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 4, Informative

    Give Galactic Civilizations II a try, you'll be amazed by the AI at higher difficulty settings.

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  24. Re:MORONS!!! by kermidge · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just one more turn....

  25. Re:MORONS!!! by Anomalyst · · Score: 2

    I use the open source 0 A.D. you insensitive clod.

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  26. Re:MORONS!!! by Isaac+Remuant · · Score: 2

    The thing with reddit is that it can be tailored to your interests. Specially when you focus on small sized subreddits.

    The majority vote system has its pros and cons but it's all around a very good site.

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  27. Re:MORONS!!! by dbIII · · Score: 3, Funny

    Best bet though was to find and identify the aggressive mofos up-front

    I used to play Civ 1 on a monochrome screen. The first objective was to find the nation with units of the same shade of gray as your own and completely wipe them out.