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Nokia To Cut 10,000 Jobs and Close 3 Facilities

parallel_prankster writes "NY Times reports that Nokia said on Thursday it would slash 10,000 jobs, or 19 percent of its work force, by the end of 2013 as part of an emergency overhaul that includes closing research centers and a factory in Germany, Canada and Finland, and the departures of three senior executives. The company also warned investors its loss was likely to be greater in the second quarter, which ends June 30, than it was in the first, and that the negative effects of its transition to a Windows-based smartphone business would continue into the third quarter. Nokia, based in Espoo, Finland, posted a loss of €929 million, or $1.2 billion, in the first quarter as sales plummeted 29 percent. Once the undisputed global leader in the mobile phone business, Nokia has been outcompeted by Apple, as well as by Samsung and other makers of handsets running Google's Android operating system." (Here's another source, if you're hit by the NYT paywall, and the company's own positive spin.)

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  1. No good news in that by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A lot of Apple fans and MS haters may be tempted to cheer, but the loss of 10,000 jobs in this economy means 10,000 families whose lives will been up-ended and that sucks no matter what phone you're rooting for.

    And what's more, according to the article, a third of these job losses will come from Finland, with more in Germany and Canada. Decent western factory jobs seem to be going the way of the Dodo bird. Are there any phones still actually being manufactured in the first world? Even if Nokia recovers, what are the odds that those jobs won't reappear in Finland, but in China?

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    1. Re:No good news in that by Nursie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Cheer?

      I can hate on MS as much as the next guy, but this is sad whatever way you spin it. Nokia used to create great products and be a byword for quality, reliable, cutting edge phones.
      Then they lost their way, management started all sorts of retarded internal competition games and the company just started chucking out hundreds of near identical handsets.

      Even then they had a significant market lead, even in the smartphone sphere, but they were losing it. This is when Elop came along and really killed them, jumping straight into bed with his old bosses and sealing the fate of a once-great european tech powerhouse.

      It's a shame to see such an icon driven into the ground.

    2. Re:No good news in that by Nursie · · Score: 4, Informative

      I should add that it's also entirely obvious that this would happen since the MS deal.

    3. Re:No good news in that by nurb432 · · Score: 2

      Why would a fan wish for (fair) competition to go away in the first place? You may not want what they are offering, but its what keeps your side moving forward too.

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    4. Re:No good news in that by IAmR007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Windows phones was definitely the wrong way to go. Getting Qt working well on Android and iOS and marketing it as a platform could have been a lot more successful. Being able to use the same core code on multiple platforms is a big advantage. Instead, they chose a dying mobile OS.

    5. Re:No good news in that by localman57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The good thing about this will be that eventually all socialism will end....

      No it wont. Because some socialism is good. Public schools are good. Public roads are good. Public health initiatives are good. You have some socialist countries now that are highly uncompetitive. And you have highly capitalist countries, such as China, which are highly competitive, but creating externalities that make their current path unsustainable. Somewhere in the middle, a resonably free enterprise system with some government sponsored investment and a public safety net is where you're going to get the best overal quality of life over the span of decades.

    6. Re:No good news in that by plover · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It may have been obvious, but it was obvious long before Microsoft had anything to do with it, and this certainly isn't Microsoft's fault. Remember the Burning Memo? Nokia has been faltering ever since the Chinese factories have been able to create their own lines because of the cell phone chipset availability.

      Nokia took the Microsoft deal because it became evident to them that Nokia's own OS was no longer a selling point, so it didn't make sense to further invest in it. That saved them a few kroner in the short term, plus there was a longshot chance that Windows Phone 8 could have made a dent in the market. It obviously hasn't yet, nor did the tech community expect much different, but one never knows what the phone market will look like in five years.

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    7. Re:No good news in that by localman57 · · Score: 2

      Because not everybody's kids have the ability do those kind of things. You need a complete economic scale of jobs to acheive resonably full employement. If everybody in the world developed battery tech and communication standards, there'd be nothing to eat, no roads to drive on, nowhere to buy stuff. As they say, "The World Needs Ditch Diggers, too..."

    8. Re:No good news in that by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The MS deal didn't really have anything to do with it. Nokia lost its way almost a decade ago. They flailed around trying a large number of incompatible things, with no overall direction. The Symbian kernel rewrite was probably the last good thing they did and they failed to couple it with a decent userland, so Symbian programmers were still stuck with APIs that were designed for systems with under 4MB of RAM. They made a few half-hearted attempts at moving to Linux (ignoring the fact that they already had a decent kernel, it was their userland that was the problem), and then seemed to completely lose the plot.

      The MS deal was just another failure to fix the situation, in a long line of similar failures. It wasn't the cause, just another failed attempt at recovery.

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    9. Re:No good news in that by crazyjj · · Score: 3, Insightful

      why would i want my kids to aspire to this kind of work?

      If you went to public school, remember all the "slow" kids, and all the others who clearly weren't cut out for college? Well, those kids are adults now and they need jobs just like you do.

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    10. Re:No good news in that by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Think again. Investors punished Nokia after the announcement of the Microsoft deal. Their stock took a massive hit. Then it took them ONE YEAR to bring a Windows phone to market and in the meantime they killed off their Symbian product.

      All this was in direct relation to the Microsoft deal.

    11. Re:No good news in that by Asic+Eng · · Score: 3, Insightful

      assembling a phone is the equivalent of playing with Lego's. its simple tedious work. why would i want my kids to aspire to this kind of work?

      They are not just closing plants according to this.

      From the bloomberg article: "The biggest share of cuts will come in research and development, where Nokia is killing whole projects to preserve others that are more important, Chief Financial Officer Timo Ihamuotila said on a call. Sales is the second-biggest area affected and general overhead is third, he said."

      So they are now at the stage where they have to stop developing tomorrow's products in order to pay today's bills.

    12. Re:No good news in that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They could easily choose a different strategy and save the company. E.g. they could become OS-agnostic, just like Samsung: produce N9-like phone in both Maemo, Android and WP7 version, and see what sells best. I'm 100% sure lots of people would buy Android version of this phone because of the great looks and mature OS.
      Killing Symbian too early, killing Maemo right after it was finally ready to sell and going to WP7 only was the most stupid decision ever.

      I hope they eventually going to realize it and give that infiltrator from Microsoft the treatment he deserves.

    13. Re:No good news in that by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Too many people are arguing pro-Finish type of socialism, but that's why Finland is going to lose more and more jobs.

      This argument would be a lot more convincing if the economies of more capitalist countries were booming. In case you hadn't noticed, they're not.

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    14. Re:No good news in that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I really hate the whole capitalist / socialist debate because the whole thing is stupid like localman57 hinted at. The problem with any ideological system is that they try to reduce people to simple, consistent groups. But people are not simple and they are not consistent. Anyone who has ever mowed their neighbor's law because their mower was broke, or they were sick is a socialist. Anyone who has ever bought an overpriced candy bar to support some annoying kids program is a socialist. Anyone who has ever bought an oreo over value brand because they taste better and the cost is worth it is a capitalist. So is anyone who has ever bought the value brand because oreos are too damn expensive and not worth it.

      People are all socialists because we come from families, villages and towns that support each other. We are also capitalists because we're all selfish and want to get as much as we can for the work we do. Anyone who claims that one or the other is the only true way is either a fool, or lying in order to manipulate other fools,

    15. Re:No good news in that by localman57 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's not a good description for what China is. I use the term "caplitalist" with regard to the externalities (pushing your costs off on society) with regard to how they do business. Being able to dump heavy metals directly into the local river, for example, makes you competitive against companies that operate with more restricitons. China has been described as a lawless country with lots of laws on the books. Ability to do business outside of law is very free-market.

      But, you're right. There are still large aspects of state run economics, particularly in the banking sector.

    16. Re:No good news in that by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They brought it on themselves, and have only themselves to blame.

      In all seriousness, Nokia sat around on its ass all smug and secure for way too long after the iPhone detonated, then redefined the market. Samsung, HTC, and many others busted ass to remake themselves and their products into credible contenders. Nokia sat around and watched their R&D flounder around, thinking they had all the time in the world to do something about it, all while pointing at Symbian's (then) massive dominance of the global smartphone markets. They then had a chance to make a clean break and start fresh, but they decided to back the wrong horse (with a nudge from their new Microsoftie CEO, natch).

      Moral of the story? Apparently it's two-fold:
      1) If you're on top, don't sit around on your ass all complacent about it.
      2) Never hire anyone who has previously worked as a Microsoft executive. They *will* fuck you over.

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    17. Re:No good news in that by localman57 · · Score: 2

      Right on. Sometimes, it's in our common greater good to do things that aren't in our individual good (e.g. pay to educate your neighbor's children, or prevent a total collapse of an industry, such as the auto or banking systems, recently). In these cases, we revert to a socialist system, which is run by the government because they're the only ones with the stick to make everybody participate.

      In other cases, we're willing to see our neighbor suffer (e.g. have his business go bankrupt) because we're confident that this preening will lead to a stronger society overall.

      Obviously, everybody tries to game the system, so it doesn't always work out.

    18. Re:No good news in that by k(wi)r(kipedia) · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How is China capitalist? It is certainly more capitalist than it was 10 years ago, but its level of central planning is comparable to European countries.

      Central planning isn't incompatible with capitalism. Nazi Germany was capitalist and fascist. Private citizens were free to make money so long as they belonged to the privileged race and had the right connections. So okay, it's a form of "crony" capitalism but it's capitalism nonetheless.

    19. Re:No good news in that by symbolset · · Score: 5, Informative

      The iPhone proved a hugely popular choice and the smartphone started to boom. Established players Palm, Nokia, RIM, Motorola Mobility, Samsung, HTC and LG faced a difficult choice as they clearly needed a new winner. Palm made the wrong choice to go their own way and imploded. Nokia went their own way and suffered but survived on momentum. RIM continued to go their own way, confident their customers were committed due to the nature of their offering. When Windows phone came out, almost all the survivors hedged their bets with it but RIM persisted in continuing to go their own way and imploded. When Windows Phone proved an unpopular choice most of the survivors kept it as a hedge but emphasized their alternative, but for some reason Nokia bet the farm on it and imploded.

      - History of Smartphone Economics, 2009-2012.

      "If you bet the farm often enough eventually you win a factory job."

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    20. Re:No good news in that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      mostly agree. My view from within (it's my last day tomorrow) is that the real thrashing only started 5 years ago. Changing gui framework repeatedly decimated developer interest each time. There basically was no 'platform'. I foretold this final outcome on feb11as did many others. Elop was certainly the person who put nokia on the directed downward spiral. The whole board is responsible, of course.
      Fatphil, posting AC only as i' not at my desktop with memoised passwords, i'm on a boat to finland to return my work stuff.

    21. Re:No good news in that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      To add a little perspective (and some numbers), Nokia stock fell 14% when the partnership was announced. That took their share price to 7.00 Euros. Today, Nokia are trading at 2.35 USD. Nokia's market capitalization is $8.8 Billion.

      Considering all the mobile phone tech they have pioneered down the years, you have to think that their patent portfolio alone is worth more than $8.8 Billion to a few big players. Their brand name is still recognized worldwide, too.

      Enter the asset strippers ......

    22. Re:No good news in that by Nemyst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A fan is not a rational being. It is a marketing construct made through intensive brainwashing of already impressionable human beings and turned into a buzzword spewing machine. Its sole purpose is to promote the company's products while dissing competitors'.

    23. Re:No good news in that by roman_mir · · Score: 2

      China is much more capitalist than almost anybody else, they have more free market than USA has.

      Here is a debate on it

      and here is a transcript (PDF)

      Obviously the audience was quite biased, too many expatriates, and one of the pro-motion team members was a staunch socialist himself, so totally wrong person to argue pro-capitalism, but in case you can watch it if you want.

    24. Re:No good news in that by chrb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How is China capitalist? It is certainly more capitalist than it was 10 years ago

      It depends on how you define capitalism. 10 years ago I watched ARM Chairman Robin Saxby give a keynote speech where he said, "China is wonderful - it's the most capitalist country on Earth." What he meant was that, regardless of the central planning, China was actually a very good environment for doing business. Chinese suppliers were very competitive, and producing low price goods and materials. There were very limited regulations on employment, wages, manufacturing etc. and no need for employers to pay employee taxes, provide health care etc. China didn't even have free education for all children until 2006. That "central planning" that some people despise has led to China having a modern and efficient infrastructure, which in turn makes business more efficient.

      In China, you can hire a person for $200/month, work them 100 hours a week, and fire them on the spot. That is a level of "capitalism" unmatched in Europe or the U.S.

      TIME: Why China Does Capitalism Better than the U.S.

    25. Re:No good news in that by Wansu · · Score: 4, Insightful

        Then they lost their way, management started all sorts of retarded internal competition games ...

      Bad management is why most of the high paying jobs have disappeared over the last several decades, due either to incompetence, crookedness or a combination of the two. Nokia is just the latest in a long line of mismanaged companies going belly up.

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    26. Re:No good news in that by bongey · · Score: 2

      The National Socialist German Workers' Party official name (aka Nazi party). The Nazi party hated the Jews(capitalist) where viewed to have money and take advantage of the middle and lower class. The Nazi party blamed Jews for having all the money , taking advantage of the middle, lower classes was the cause of Germany's economic problems.
      Your centrist opinion is shining like rodolf's red nose, or the easter bunny hopping in the yard, or santa's beard.
      Notice all of them are imaginary, just like your centrist view.

    27. Re:No good news in that by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They could easily choose a different strategy and save the company.

      Fire Elop and sue Microsoft?

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    28. Re:No good news in that by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      Wait, Google buys Nokia and fires Elop. No, Facebook buys Nokia and fires Elop. No, Ebay buys Nokia and fires Elop.

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    29. Re:No good news in that by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The MS deal didn't really have anything to do with it

      Oh which planet? Note: NOK dropped 20% the day the Microsoft sellout was announced. Burning platforms indeed.

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    30. Re:No good news in that by plover · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They could go Android, sure, but Android phones are almost commodity phones, where the handset manufacturer isn't adding enough value to make them differentiators. That means as a customer, I could pick up an LG or HTC or Motorola or Samsung and get a pretty similar phone. And that means they all compete on price. That puts the Nokia phones up against the manufacturing might of China, which means that margins would start out razor thin and fade quickly to non-existent.

      Symbian appealed to a hundred thousand early-adopter phone geeks, but they were not getting any mass market share from the first-time smartphone buyers, who were heading straight to Android or iPhone (depending primarily on the contents of their wallets.) Maemo would have cannibalized that market, but would not have taken any buyers away from the two big players. The WP7 deal came with the backing of Microsoft, which provided a lot more marketing clout than Nokia is capable of delivering these days.

      When you're trying to compete, it's best to have a differentiator that people will actually pay for. Symbian was no longer it, and Maemo would never have been it. They bet that WP7 might have been it. It's not looking great so far, but Microsoft is a lot better backed than anyone else courting Nokia.

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    31. Re:No good news in that by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Getting Qt working well on Android and iOS and marketing it as a platform could have been a lot more successful.

      They can still do that if they fire Elop. And they can start with vanilla Android to tide them over through the QA period. Getting QT up on Android would take what? Two weeks for somebody who knows what they're doing?

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    32. Re:No good news in that by s73v3r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They could go Android, sure, but Android phones are almost commodity phones, where the handset manufacturer isn't adding enough value to make them differentiators.

      You know, everyone says this, and while I'm not going to argue it's not true, I will point out that Android phones are actually selling, as opposed to Windows Phones. A differentiator only matters if it can actually sell.

    33. Re:No good news in that by perryizgr8 · · Score: 2

      nokia bought navteq a few years ago for 8 billion. sad to see that now its own worth is 8 billion.

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    34. Re:No good news in that by quacking+duck · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oh, not this "Nazis were socialists--it's even in their name!" myth again. You didn't outright say it, but implying they hated the Jews because they were capitalist leaves no doubt. Undoing mods to reply to this nonsense.

      The official name of North Korea is Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Pretty damn sure they aren't democratic, but by your logic they call themselves that, so they must be, right?

      The Nazis used a socialist platform (and yes, scapegoated the Jews for Germany's socio-economic problems) to get into power. But their first attacks after attaining power were against communists and socialists in 1933, blaming them for a massive fire that gutted the Reichstag (parliament) building. Their supporters were arrested and harassed. Left-wing parties were banned. Unions were dissolved. The Nazi party purged its own social-revolutionary wing by massacring its leadership in June 1934 in the "night of the long knives."

      So please, tell me again exactly how the Nazis were actually socialists who hated the Jews because they were capitalist.

    35. Re:No good news in that by Raenex · · Score: 2

      Queue the replies from people wanting MS to suffer at the expense of Nokia employees

      You can add me to that list. Microsoft for a long time was an abusive monopoly, and they still have a very profitable monopoly on the desktop, even if that market is at risk. While Android isn't as open as it could be, it's at least a big step in the right direction.

      Sorry for those Nokia employees, but if you're working on behalf of a company that I consider harmful then I can't root for your success.

    36. Re:No good news in that by Flipao · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wait, Google buys Nokia and fires Elop. No, Facebook buys Nokia and fires Elop. No, Ebay buys Nokia and fires Elop.

      Or Microsoft buys Nokia and gives Elop a bonus.

    37. Re:No good news in that by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

      It really doesn't matter who is disingenious

      Nokia is dead, even if it doesn't know that it's dead

      Microsoft is the one who kills it

      And Elop? This guy is only a hired hand, who pulled the trigger

      As a former Nokia user, - I'm using Samsung now, - I just can't tell you how sad I am, looking at the how absolutely clueless the BOD of Nokia really is

      This should serve couples of warnings:

      1. Avoid Microsoft at all costs -

      If you looked at the history of Microsoft, you'll spot a long road littered with dead corporate corps, which, one time or another, were "bed partners" of Microsoft, but ended up being sucked dried and gutted by Microsoft when they are of no more use

       

      2. Avoid hiring any ex-Microsoft exec -

      You will never know what are their intentions

      Elop is one fine example

       

      3. Ensured that the BOD must be personally and financially responsibled for any failure -

      BOD of Nokia IS, for a very large part, responsible for the final collapse of Nokia

      The warning signs are everywhere, that Elop is going to kill Nokia, but still, the BOD of Nokia doesn't care, and didn't do anything to prevent it from happening

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  2. "negative effects of its transition to a Windows-" by White+Flame · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whaaaaat?!?! Really? This is a tremendously unexpected turn of events that nobody outside of your boardroom dealings would have EVER suspected!

  3. An award to Stephen Elop.. by GhostIdentity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stephen Elop - The Trojan Horse of modern era.

    1. Re:An award to Stephen Elop.. by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know Microsoft has alot of apologists but this is amazing.

      Investors did not agree with the deal and the chickens are coming home to roost. EVERYONE knew the deal was bad.

      1. No Windows phone for ONE YEAR. No product in one year is a lifetime in the smartphone market. 2. Killed off Symbian. Their existing lines of phones were selling. Their customer base starting jumping ship since those phones were being killed off for Windows phones that were yet to be seen.

      Every analyst knew the timeline was extremely bad for Nokia. Nokia could have survived had they not made the deal and worked on their own products.

    2. Re:An award to Stephen Elop.. by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Interesting

      there's reports that the existing symbian lineup has sold better this spring than the wp line. they hid the information on their reports though, bundling them together.

      there's no excuse for elop announcing things too early and declaring a profitable business dead.

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  4. The IP Vultures are Circling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Meanwhile, Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, and Google IP lawyers are circling to fight over the carcass (Patent Portfolio) of Nokia.

    1. Re:The IP Vultures are Circling by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's only if Nokia files bankruptcy. They could in theory downsize to nothing but a legal firm that does nothing but license out the IP in attempt to collect reoccurring revenue. An IP patent portfolio as large as that one is cash cow worth keeping.

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  5. If you cant adapt, you die by nurb432 · · Score: 2

    Pretty simple math. No matter how big you are, if you cant keep up with changing times, you go away.

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  6. A sad day... by christianT · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's a shame to see Nokia falling apart. It was not long ago that they had the very promising n900. I was all ready to buy one of those until I found out that it wasn't available on my carrier of choice, and in fact the only carriers it was available on in my area were the ones with the poorest coverage.

  7. What a factory! by fortfive · · Score: 3, Funny

    a factory in Germany, Canada and Finland

    That's some factory--Nokia must have invented some kind of trans-dimensional technology. Surely that's worth a few bucks to someone?

  8. The end of Meltemi, Qt without Nokia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nokia was working on another Linux based operating system. This is now stopped.

    More insight into how the board of Nokia is being stacked with Microsoft cronies.

    1. Re:The end of Meltemi, Qt without Nokia by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 2

      I wonder if the endgame for Microsoft is to acquire rights to all the IP?

  9. 10,000 workers and 3 executives are going? by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Another round or two like this and the company will be all executives, no workers. That should help get them going in the right direction.

  10. Re:Idea by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Would not happen. Instead they would buy the companies fire all the workers and replace them with MS party line type folks. You would get a phone that RRoD would be a known issue for years, and would be worse than any the two previous companies made before. NIH is a huge issue for MS.

  11. Typical by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    CEO and board members make a bad decision, the workers at the bottom end up paying for it.
    Best of luck to those being let go.

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  12. Re:So what is your utopian alternative? by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're also getting rid of those popular low cost phones that have been selling in Africa and India. Elop is killing all possible ways to save Nokia and is actively ruining the company. Other analysts don't see Nokia returning to profitability devices in the foreseeable future either this year or next. There's nothing left to save. The pre-Microsoft Nokia is already dead and gone. There's nothing to rejoice about, it's just a fact.

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  13. Nokia's death spiral continues by tuffy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've found Tomi's ongoing saga of Nokia's downfall to be quite interesting. A choice quote about today's news:

    The worse news is the guidance about Q2 profit warning and Q3 smartphone sales problems, that was hidden in the story about layoffs. So before, in Nokia's profit warning, Nokia said it will have problems with the handset unit profitability (producing a loss) in both Q1 and Q2. The losses for handsets in Q2 were supposed to be similar to Q1 ie -3%. Now we hear that Q2 losses will be bigger than 3%. This is VERY BAD NEWS. It really means that Nokia is falling into the hole and the rate of the fall is only increasing.

    The gist of it being that Windows isn't working, and Elop is killing any possible "plan B" for the company.

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    1. Re:Nokia's death spiral continues by tpheiska · · Score: 5, Informative

      Mod parent up. The blog in question is awesome. For example this:
        "Before the Burning Platforms memo, in 2010 Nokia towered over its rivals like very few companies have ever managed in a Fortune 500 size scale. Nokia's smartphones sold more than 2x those of the iPhone and more than 3x as many as Samsung. Today only 18 months later, Nokia is a third the size of the iPhone and one quarter the size of Samsung's smartphones. Never, ever, in any industry, has a global market leader collapsed this comprehensively. This is a world record in destruction of a market leader. Understand what that means. Elop has set a world record in management failure. He is a world record holder in the most incompetent CEO that has ever been. Not just the worst CEO now, but of all time - that is what 'world record' means - and this collapse of Nokia is BY A WIDE MARGIN the biggest collapse of a global Fortune 500 sized company, who was the market leader in its own industry. I have been asking my readers to come up with any example of such total collapse in 12 months in economic history - never been done. Never. This is the worst management failure of all time! And it was not caused by a tsunami or earthquake or national revolution or exploding factory. It was caused by Stephen Elop. He started the destruction on a February day in Espoo when he released his Burning Platforms memo. "

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    2. Re:Nokia's death spiral continues by Hatta · · Score: 2

      This is a world record in destruction of a market leader. Understand what that means. Elop has set a world record in management failure.

      This assumes that destruction of Nokia wasn't Elop's goal to begin with. It's hard to look at the facts and come away with that impression.

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    3. Re:Nokia's death spiral continues by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Elop has set a world record in management failure.

      Management failure? How about criminal malfeasance.

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    4. Re:Nokia's death spiral continues by TemporalBeing · · Score: 2

      I agree that it's very bad news that Q2 isn't looking better, but isn't what Elop is doing exactly what he should do now? He's laying off people to bring the costs down, so that the chosen strategy can be implemented. The Windows move hasn't brought them to profitability yet, but it's way too early to say it won't work: the phones are just fine, Windows 8 is just around the corner. Any plan B would be much less likely to work at all and would also have a lesser best possible outcome.

      Not quite. They're having a big problem selling phones. Their Symbian phones are selling quite well, but they're trying to move away from Symbian. They had another viable platform (Maemo/MeeGo), but ditch'd that to use Windows - a platform that was quite well behind where they were with the Maemo/MeeGo effort, and they are having a very hard time selling phones with Windows on them.

      If they Board of Directors was smart, they'd can Elop, and either resurrect Maemo/MeeGo, or pull in Android. They'd have to can Elop to do so as he has a bigger interest in seeing Microsoft succeed than Nokia succeed (he's got far more invested in Microsoft than he ever will with Nokia).

      Regardless they need to get their phone sales up, or get out of the business. But Windows is not helping them sell phones. So they need to look at other platforms.

      The irony, of course, is that Windows is turning out to be the "burning platform" that Elop called Symbian when he first made the announcement - and the piers around it are quickly falling apart.

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    5. Re:Nokia's death spiral continues by David+Jao · · Score: 2

      Of the three companies that you listed, none of them ever at any point ranked #1 in market share in their sector. Lehman was as you said the 4th largest investment bank (Goldman has been #1 for at least several decades), WorldCom was never at any point the largest telecom (AT&T was), and WaMu was never the largest bank. Nokia on the other hand had the largest market share in both the smartphone and dumbphone markets in 2010 and plummeted to the #4 rank in a single year. The claim in the article states that this is the largest market share collapse in history by a Fortune 500 company having #1 market share. His claim is very clearly restricted in scope to market leading companies. I think you're misinterpreting the blog article and thinking that it claims more than what it actually says. Your examples do not involve market-leading companies (those having #1 rank in market share) and therefore cannot invalidate the author's claim. I think it's quite remarkable that no market-leading company in history has ever fallen so far, so fast as Nokia.

  14. Re:3% of the smartphone market by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    How? By doing what they've done for 30 years - making hardware and software actually work together without massive end-user hassle. They don't invent ground breaking technologies (for the most part, there have been a few exceptions), but they make available technologies actually useable.

    Turns out that there's a shedload of money in doing that.

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  15. A brilliant mix of capitalism and socialism,... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In our quest for purity, we are asked to don a red or a blue cap which is supposed to align to socialist-leaning (blue) against capitalist-leaning (red) doctrines, but of late, not combine the two. Its time to realize that any successful society will need to embrace elements of both socialism and capitalism to be remain sovereign. Get that Mitt? Get that Barack?

    1. Re:A brilliant mix of capitalism and socialism,... by localman57 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I find the subtlety of your argument confusing and upsetting. COMMUNIST!

  16. I tend to disagree here.. by GhostIdentity · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You may be right, but Nokia still had a fat chance of comeback with MeeGo, as already proved by Nokia N9 (I own one, and I easily claim it to be better than most, if not all, of the current smartphones due to its intuitive Swipe UI). Who was saying no to building Windows smartphones? But Elop apparently wasn't satisfied with only that. He had to kill the burning platform (Symbian) as well as the blooming platform (MeeGo). That is what has pushed Nokia off the cliff, IMO. I may seem to blame Microsoft (I actually do it inside my mind, though, having been a genuine Nokia fan since I became aware of phones), but the fact still stands that Elop cruelly slaughtered any remaining chances that Nokia had, with or without Microsoft behind him.

  17. Re:"negative effects of its transition to a Window by Asic+Eng · · Score: 2

    No it's not editorial spin. The NY Times appears to quote Nokia: "The company also warned investors that its loss was likely to be greater in the second quarter, which ends June 30, than it was in the first, and that the negative effects of its transition to a Windows-based smartphone business would continue into the third quarter."

  18. Shareholders should sue Elop by JDG1980 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stephen Elop's decisions as Nokia CEO indicate that he is placing the well-being of another company (Microsoft) over the well-being of the company he's supposed to represent. The result is the $1.2 billion quarterly loss mentioned in the original post. This loss is, in large part, a result of Elop's breach of his fiduciary duty to Nokia. Why haven't the shareholders sued him?

  19. Presumably it is in his contract by Kupfernigk · · Score: 2

    You don't know what his contract says. If it says in the small print "Get Microsoft to buy all our shares" and the idiots didn't think of the best way to do that (make them worthless) then they have nothing to sue about. A lot of bonkers management decisions make perfect sense - if you know what they were contracted to do.

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  20. Re:So what is your utopian alternative? by oxdas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Money is money. If the phones are profitable, then continue to pursue them while you move in another direction. Consider Samsung, they are the smartphone leader right now, shipping 38 million smartphones last quarter (compared to Apple's 31 million). They also shipped 48 million dumb phones during the same period. I don't hear anything from them about dumping their dumb phone business. It goes to show that you can be both a smart and dumb phone company.

    This reminds me very much of the recent HP shortsightedness with their low margin computer business.

  21. Prepping to be bought by papasui · · Score: 2

    I have been thinking this entire thing smells like Elops entire goal was to drive stock so low that Microsoft can buyout Nokia on the cheap and have their own cell phone manufacturing division, ala Apple and now Google.

  22. Re:So what is your utopian alternative? by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is now abundantly clear that Nokia needed to get on board with Android. Sure, they would likely end up with less than a majority share but their name recognition, distribution network, engineering and let's admit it, build quality, would ensure a solid, respectable share. Better than nothing, which is what they will have if they don't fire Elop.

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  23. Re:Carriers buy phones, not people by TheSunborn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the USA that is true, but Nokia sells most of it phones outside of USA where consumers pick the phones.

  24. Re:So what is your utopian alternative? by mirix · · Score: 2

    Canada only has ~70% market penetration, one of the lowest rates on earth, definitely low for a developed country.

    Most of western Europe is 125-150%, US, AUS are ~100%, Russia is 150%, middle east is similar. South America and Indonesia, Japan, are mostly ~100%.
    India and China are both at ~75%, which is a massive number on their own.

    The numbers are active subscriptions, so If you have a personal mobile and one from work, you're at 200% personally... which is how you get >100% penetration.

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