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Ask Slashdot: How To Evacuate a Network

First time accepted submitter gpowers writes "I am the IT Manager for Shambhala Mountain Center, near Red Feather Lakes, Colorado. We are in the pre-evacuation area for the High Park Fire. What is the best way to load 50+ workstations, 6 servers, IP phones, networking gear, printers and wireless equipment into a 17-foot U-Haul? We have limited packing supplies. We also need to spend as much time as possible working with the fire crew on fire risk mitigation."

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  1. Uh... by memoreks · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quickly?

    1. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Off Site Disaster Recovery and Fire Insurance?

    2. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Offsite backup at the very least. Save your data and your people, and let the insurance company take care of the hardware. Loss of productivity is a problem, but you're going to have that anyway.

    3. Re:Uh... by arth1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Offsite backup at the very least. Save your data and your people, and let the insurance company take care of the hardware. Loss of productivity is a problem, but you're going to have that anyway.

      Mod parent AC up, please. Spending time on emptying buildings of hardware which should be insured anyhow is in the best case stupid, and could even be hazardous - if it holds up evacuating the area of humans as much as a minute, it's criminal sabotage of an evacuation.
      You're not even supposed to grab your coat when a building is evacuated. Much less hardware.

    4. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wow, way to plan for disaster. You should already have had the systems transfered either to a clowd or to your remote site. If you do not you've failed.

      So what this gentleman says is correct. If you've not labeled everything including cables and have detailed drawings of the installations wiring you've failed.

      So what you do is get out your label maker and tools, shut it all down and label everything. Then pack it as best you can in the truck. You can expect 30-40 percent startup failure when you get them installed and attempt a startup.

      You might just want to consider building your next IT center in a shipping container that can be detached and loaded on to a semi. Done properly your UPS and AC systems would keep them alive until you could get to an alternate location with power and network which you should already have contracted for in advance.

    5. Re:Uh... by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're not even supposed to grab your coat when a building is evacuated. Much less hardware.

      That's when it's an emergency.

      This is more like: "There'll be an emergency a couple of hours from now..."

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    6. Re:Uh... by TemplePilot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You might just want to consider building your next IT center in a shipping container that can be detached and loaded on to a semi. Done properly your UPS and AC systems would keep them alive until you could get to an alternate location with power and network which you should already have contracted for in advance.

      Nods, and seconded... motion to carry.

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    7. Re:Uh... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Surely the firewall should hold out longer than that?

    8. Re:Uh... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're not even supposed to grab your coat when a building is evacuated. Much less hardware.

      That's exactly correct. I've known people that literally got out naked (having been asleep), but they got out of a fire alive. If you know the fire is a risk and you can't replace the hardware for lack of insurance then the move should already be happening now...
      "We moved all the stuff for no reason" beats "We lost everything because we waited" every time in the Thoughts of Tomorrow game.

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    9. Re:Uh... by mysidia · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your insurance company will pay to replace anything that's damaged by the fire.

      Insurance does not cover any damage that should have been prevented or was caused as a result of culpable negligence, when the org intentionally passed up a reasonable opportunity to mitigate or prevent the damage.

      If you had an opportunity to mitigate or prevent the fire damage because there was sufficient warning, and you intentionally avoided mitigating the damage, that a reasonable person would have taken actions to prevent, then your reckless inaction likely means that the insurance company is not obligated to pay for the fire damage that resulted from your inaction.

    10. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod parent and grandparent down, please, and tell both posters what doofuses they are. In hurricane country, do you think people are stupid for taking time to board up windows before leaving too? No. Spending time saving property when a natural disaster or like phenomenon is known to be on the way but remains hours or possibly days away from impacting you is, in fact, a DESIRABLE thing to do. Less property is destroyed. Less time and effort is spent replacing the property. Less time is spent filing insurance paperwork.

      Perhaps you're in California and have earthquakes on the brain. It's quite different. This is not "get out or we're all going to die" situation. This is a "be ready to leave town if we tell you to" situation. Sure, if the guys in charge of evacuation tell you "leave IMMEDIATELY omgfire" then you do, and save the people, and throw away the property. But it doesn't always come to that.

    11. Re:Uh... by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, it depends on where you are. In the Los Angeles area, they have fires sprout up all over. When it's very dry and there's a good wind, those fires can move *very* fast. It is possible that when you go home one day, there wasn't a fire. The next morning when you show up, the area may have already been evacuated, or your building is a lovely pile of ash and molten computer parts.

      When I moved away from LA, two days before we were to leave, a wildfire started several miles away. The day before we were to leave, we could see it on the next hill, about 1/2 mile away. We left early. The fire continued into the neighborhood after we left.

      Disaster planning isn't suppose to be "we can take all the stuff out when the problem happens". It's suppose to be "Some spontaneous event happened, and we've lost all of our equipment." It should be dramatic enough to believe the building spontaneously collapsed, a meteor the size of a cit bus fell on it, or a tornado blew it away.

      So, to address the summary, plan for the equipment to be a total loss, and that you'll have to restore from off-site backups.

      What I'd do, if I happened to be there, would be to grab the servers, the C-level and Director level workstations (abandon the monitors, keyboards, and mice), and leave the rest. Hopefully everything is on the servers. It's not practical to consider moving 50 workstations, monitors, keyboards, and phones. I'd sure hope their insurance is up to date. We all know that top brass will pitch a fit if their computers are destroyed, which is the only reason for considering them.

      There are probably at least a few departments who will need their files (accounting, HR, and sales). For most businesses, that'd fill up the 17' truck pretty quick by itself. That's a good time to talk to the boss about the paperless office concept, off-site backups, and a proper disaster plan.

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  2. Welll... by Dieppe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Less posting to Slashdot would be step 1...

    1. Re:Welll... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      And leave all of the Mountain Dew behind. When the fire hits, they will heat up, explode and smother the flames.

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  3. Prioritize by Ravensfire · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pack what's critical first. Servers. Critical networking gear. Workstations. Ignore the phones, printers and wireless gear unless you've got extra time. And good luck.

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    1. Re:Prioritize by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pack what's critical first. Servers. Critical networking gear. Workstations. Ignore the phones, printers and wireless gear unless you've got extra time. And good luck.

      Quick-disconnect hard drives. Everything else can be replaced by insurance, but your data can't. With what you've got listed above, I could hike out with your company in my backpack. The other thing is, consider the health and safety in your disaster recovery plan -- you should not expect, nor ask, your employees to stay until the last possible moment packing in equipment. Equipment can be replaced... lives cannot. Nobody should ever risk their life for an inanimate object in a business environment.

      The other thing is, you should have a disaster recovery plan that includes regular backups to an offsite facility. Any disaster plan should be able to cope with "and then a giant foot appeared above the building and squished it flat." Yours should be no different. It might not be a wild fire that threatens your servers... it could be a UPS that shorts out, or a tornado, flood, a failed fire suppression unit, or simple human incompetence (Yes, I've seen stupidity kill buildings).

      Any plan that relies on people staying in danger to save your business unethical, immoral, and probably illegal. So save what you can reasonably and without risk take, in descending order of importance... but recognize that there may be situations in which the only solution is to exit the building at a dead run and not look back.

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    2. Re:Prioritize by gstrickler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right idea, missing a detail. Get your data and hard to replace equipment (e.g. custom orders, long lead time, no longer available) first. That may be servers, or just the HD's from them. After that, everything that is replaceable can be picked based upon it's value, size, ease of removal, and available space. If you have to take workstation HDs, try to get one of each model of workstation so you have at least one machine that you know will work with that HD. It's not critical, but it can save you some effort if the facility does burn. Most networking gear, phones, workstations, etc. are easily replaceable, don't mess with them until the more important stuff is out.

      And most importantly, DO NOT WAIT until you receive the evac order, start packing at least 24 hours before an evac is likely. I don't care what management says about taking down the network early, your data and your lives are far more valuable than an extra day working.

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    3. Re:Prioritize by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Informative

      They're in a pre-evacuation phase. Smoke on the horizon and all that. Not to worry, the local sheriff department will kick people out long before there is a problem. They've done this before. Like every year in the past decade.

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    4. Re:Prioritize by Idarubicin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They've done this before. Like every year in the past decade.

      So the answer to the Ask Slashdot question should be: "Just refer to the emergency evacuation plan you drafted years ago, and have regularly updated in the meantime."

      And if that isn't the answer, why the hell not?

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  4. The site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

  5. Um... by owenferguson · · Score: 5, Funny

    First thought is put half of them in your own car. Then put the other half in the truck and abandon it in the fire's path. Then eBay.

  6. Pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Take lots of pictures before you unplug your cables. It will save you time when you have to reconnect everything.

  7. You don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "best" way to evacuate a data center is to already have off-site back-up for your data in place, drop a fresh copy to portable media, and walk out. The hardware should be insured. The life of your and your people (at least some of whom should probably be helping their families evacuate) are far more valuable than a few months of making your insurer pay for rented hardware until your new machines show up.

    1. Re:You don't. by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The "best" way to evacuate a data center is to already have off-site back-up for your data in place, drop a fresh copy to portable media, and walk out. The hardware should be insured. The life of your and your people (at least some of whom should probably be helping their families evacuate) are far more valuable than a few months of making your insurer pay for rented hardware until your new machines show up.

      Well, it's obvious the poster here was handed the job of preparing a disaster recovery plan and has no professional experience doing so... probably was given the assignment by his manager who had no idea the complexities of the task. If the OP is in that position, then it's also likely they won't see any benefit to offsite backup, or they'll blunder by putting the offsite backups in the boss' house which is three miles downwind... assuming he can even convince them to budget for it.

      In that case, I'd say buy some quick-disconnect drive enclosures (the kind where you lift a lever and a harddrive is now dangling in your hand), write a formal letter of protest outlining exactly why you're not responsible for the company being wiped out, what mitigation steps you'd recommend with a proper budget, and keep a copy in a safety deposit box or some 'cloud' service far, far away from you... because yeah. -_-

      Story time! I worked for a Fortune 500 company that connected consumer-grade 300watt rated UPS to racks of equipment... they were unaware of the risk of fire until I explained to them that with 2,000+ store locations and about 50 distribution centers, and 3 corporate headquarters, while the odds of any one of them failing catastrophically due to current overload was low, each one of those buildings experiences a 'power loss event' an average of a dozen times a year... so it became very likely that they would fail and cause a fire, which wouldn't be covered by insurance. Management tried to ignore it, but somehow (wink, wink) legal found out about it, and forced the Board to fix the problem post-haste to avert having to pay 50 million plus to rebuild the burned out husk of a store after the fire chief finds the flash point was a piece of equipment that was massively under-rated for the job.

      Disaster planning requires a good understanding of probabilities and statistics. That understanding is surprisingly rare in the business world, despite what most people think.

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    2. Re:You don't. by Zenin · · Score: 5, Informative

      This. The parent is already +5 Insightful, but really needs to be +500.

      You don't evacuate a datacenter, you abandon it. Any other plan is a dozen different kinds of stupid.

      At best you trigger a self-destruct (software or better yet hardware) to whip all data so scavengers don't get to it while you're fleeing.

      Hardware can be replaced easily (insure it, duh). Lives and Data can not. So already have the data backed up offsite and let the lives flee as they can at the first sign of danger w/o being hindered by insanely stupid commandments like "save the copier!!!".

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  8. Emergency packing by wb8wsf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, triage the equipment.

    You likely do not have time to pull disks from systems, so pack computers and
    external drives first. Get blankets to protect things. Blankets start at the bottom
    to act like a shock absorber.

    Things like networking gear and wireless stuff is irrelevant compared to the
    computers, and probably lighter. If you CAN, sure, save all that stuff too.

    But the data comes first. Don't forget backups.

    If there are computers with really really important or sensitive stuff, put
    those in someones car in the backseat, again with blankets. If I seem
    blanket obsessed, it's because I've found them to be available quickly
    either from individuals or stores. Yes, bubble wrap or sorbathane would
    be better but you aren't likely to have that stuff lying around.

  9. YES! Save only hard drives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. label all hard drives. Drive position, and server.
    2. place hard drives in anti-static bags
    3. pack drives in foam.
    4. get drives far, far away.

    Hard drives are both the most valuable, and the most fragile part. Do not load them in a stiff suspension vehicle like a truck, as this bounces the drives. Choose a soft-suspension normal car.

    Next take servers and network gear. Desktops are a maybe, as are phones. Ignore printers.

    Tape a piece of cardboard over the face of an LCD monitor to protect it from casual bumps.

    Above all, no data is worth a human life. No heroics. You're not paid for heroics.

    1. Re:YES! Save only hard drives by gman003 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ignore printers.

      Most printers ought to die in a fire anyways. Now he might actually get to see it happen!

    2. Re:YES! Save only hard drives by tconnors · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ignore printers.

      Most printers ought to die in a fire anyways. Now he might actually get to see it happen!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lp0_on_fire

  10. Triage and Labels by billstewart · · Score: 5, Informative

    Log off Slashdot before reading this :-)

    If you've got labeling stuff around, use it (not fancy label makers, just the basic "Hello My Name Is" and a Sharpie.)

    Grab the servers, grab the workstation bodies, grab the phones and anything else that's easily portable, and any backup media you've got. Unfortunately, rack-mounted equipment is usually harder to grab, but that's probably your most expensive and critical stuff. And it'll be your critical path, so start unbolting it first. All of that will fit, put it in first, braced as well as you can.

    Monitors and keyboards are nice, but they're just money, not data. Grab a few of them, but leave the rest for last. If you have packing material left, great, but if not you'll just have some breakage. If you've got any CRTs, leave them, they're heavy.

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    1. Re:Triage and Labels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      dont unbolt the parts it's time wasted and it will make transporting the lot easily while in rack with a buggy ..
      just unwire the rack and take it out as a whole .if the cat 5's are landed at punchhed patch panels
      you may be able to remove the cabling in large chunks without causing too much damage if any.

      computers ? same as above. just take the stations and put them in large bins..If you got an apple producer
      of similar large produce cases you may be able to fit all computers in one box which again is handy because
      it keeps things together and the screens in the second box . Dont waste time on kb's mice etc unless you have a
      lot of time on your hands..

      get the heck out and keep people safe is first
      hardware comes last.
      it's useless to dead people

      ric.

  11. have everything "ready to go" by lkcl · · Score: 4, Informative

    thinking this through, your priority is to make it as quick as possible to get essential gear out the door. so, consider:

    * having the servers and desktops *already* in easy-to-carry crates, with large handles on the outside and packing materials surrounding the machines.
    * have the machines stacked off the ground so that people don't have to waste time bending down and possibly injuring themselves by jolting weight that's too much for them
    * have all essential equipment nearest to the doors plural, prioritised by criticality
    * yes doors plural: add an extra door next to the existing one (or replace the one door with easy-to-open double-doors with those pushable handles) so that at least two people side-by-side can get through at once, carrying the crates, and can just "barge through them" rather than having to twist the handles.
    * make sure that the crates are stackable and sturdy but also light enough to carry!
    * even consider having the machines already loaded onto 4-wheeled trollies and left on them, permanently.
    * if time is _seriously_ critical, consider putting guillotines next to all cables (and test them) so that people don't have to waste time unplugging cables: just cut them and go - but only consider this if the guillotines are sharp enough and easy enough to operate, and only if it's seriously seriously critical to save seconds. don't put power cables through the guillotine though!
    * consider getting convenient light-weight but sturdy cabinets made for all LCD monitors, with double doors that fold back 180 degrees out of sight, and a top (with a handle) that locks automatically when it's flipped over. have the LCD monitors mounted onto the cabinets with rubber bushes so that they don't need to be placed or positioned into the cabinets - just pull out the cables, shut the doors, slam the top over and pick it up by the handle: done.
    * consider getting 12v powered LCD monitors instead of 240v/120v AC mains, so that the power cables can be guillotined rather than pulled.
    * instead of guillotining, consider breaking all the tabs on the network and telephone cables (the ones that "click and lock") and affixing them *loosely* with gaffa tape to all devices (network hubs, machines etc.) - this way it will be possible to just pull (hard) and out pop the cables. or, if someone forgets, and gets to the end of the wire, they won't trip or be yanked backwards: the cable will just come out, clean.
    * get 4-port hubs instead of 8, 16 or 24-port. 4 gaffa-taped cables are easier to pull out than 8, 16 or 24, and if one of the 4-port hubs is lost to a fire, so what, big deal. a 24-port hub however starts to get expensive.
    * stop people from putting the bloody screws in the bloody cables - you know the ones: parallel ports, VGA cables, serial cables etc. the ones that are always bloody irritating when it comes to fixing or moving a machine and you find that the bloody VGA cable needs a bloody screwdriver to remove the damn thing. take the screws *OUT* of the cables; that way people can't go "oh look: screws - let's tighten them".

    so - yeah. make it easy to just shift everything. have practice drills. set a deadline (say 1 minute) and see how much kit people can get out in that time, without damaging it.

    oh - and you know how i suggested making it easy to shift everything? uh... make sure the insurance is up to date, and get good security. no point making it easy for *other people* to shift all that expensive gear, eh? oh. and sort out some off-site backups, eh? :) i use rsync; my friend uses backuppc (because he has a lot of machines). /peace

  12. been there done that by v1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Two years ago we go a call telling us the levies might not hold and if they burst (1 block away) we'd have 8 ft of water. We didn't really have a battle plan and we had a lot less to deal with than it sounds like you did, but we learned some lessons.

    1) praise the lord we had good network documentation. Now is not the time to be writing down how the firewall and public and private LANs are plugged in together. Shut stuff down, and start placing network hardware in big plastic tubs. Have tubs handy for this, they nest nicely when not in use. Toss cables in a different tub. just wind them up best you can into loops and toss them in. there's probably not time for neatness, you can deal with that later. TAKE THE DOCUMENTATION WITH YOU. You'll feel mighty silly if that's left pinned on the wall. or I assume you have an electronic copy you can print when you get offsite. Make sure any servers with complex cable attachments (like to phone banks or security systems) have labels on the connectors.

    1b) got your phone system documented too? this is a whole 'nother can of worms that often is forgotten about. Does anyone have a diagram of where all those punched down wires go on each block? If you have phone switching hardware to pack, make sure the cables are labeled, they will all probably look the same with the giant connectors that attach to the blocks. "We'll just call Al, he does our phone stuff." Oh, you don't think Al is going to be BUSY helping everyone else that is returning? Nothing's as fun as a 2-3 day wait to get your phones back up and running huh?

    2) Label ac adapters. You need to know which unit wants 12vdc and which has 24vac, you don't want to fry stuff when you are trying to reassemble. every pack should have the model of the unit it goes to written on it. Gear WILL get separated from its pack during the evac.

    3) label staff's hardware. It's very annoying trying to figure out whose beige box is whose later. and they will probably fight over monitors and keyboards later. save yourself the headache. If you are already under the gun, run to the store and get a dozen rolls of masking tape and sharpies and have the staff label their equipment while you're packing things up, full initials or names, I bet you have duplicate first names you don't want to deal with later. Make sure you label the phones.

    4) have a plan for things you can't easily move. the corp office was also forecast to get 8ft of water and they were on the WRONG side of the dike so it was more of a "when" than "if". they had a very expensive multifunction printer that the service people told them they could have a tech out to take it apart (so it fit out the door) in three days, which obviously was silly. They rushed in a bunch of cinder blocks and lifted it up and set it on them 8.5' up. (I have no idea how they lifted it) In retrospect, the building got 14" of water and totaled it, they SHOULD have killed power to the building and took a saws all to a wall. OR at least watertight wrapped it before lifting. I've seen this done with entire cars when faced with an incoming flood or hurricane. Even if it doesn't keep out the water 100%, at least it will keep out the mud, which you may be very grateful later. Got a plan for your big server room ups's? those can be quite large and heavy, and are often hardwired into the AC, are you able and qualified to unhook it? Maybe you should call in an electrician now and change that armored cable to a dryer type plug? Have a place you can move big stuff that can't be evac'd to where it will be at least more likely to survive. Think of flood, fire, and tornado/hurricane, there's probably not one single place that will work best in all three cases. Smoke damage can be very destructive, simply having something wrapped in mover's visqueen may prevent unnecessary loss that the fire missed but the smoke got. Do you have a plan for that rack that's bolted down or won't even fit through the door?

    5) Document what's been left behind. A simple way to

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  13. Re:Prioritize efficiently. by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally I wouldn't take anything unless it is 100% un-replaceable (discontinued systems and since-last-offisite-transfer backups). Remember, your insurance will (if the person that negotiated it wasn't a complete moron) cover ALL hardware that is caught in the fire, they might NOT cover hardware that you broke in the U-Haul truck while trying to save it. You should already have offsite backups, so at the most you should save the "didn't make it to offsite yet" recent backups (1 day to 1 week's worth depending on your setup). For everything else: let it burn, that's what you pay those high insurance premiums for! If your insurance company doesn't like that plan, THEY can move it out of the f*$ing building.

  14. Re:Like pictures are going to help on reconnects by Osgeld · · Score: 4, Insightful
  15. People first, data second by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Save your data and your people

    but not in that order.

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