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The $45 Windows Laptop

YokimaSun writes "The search for a cheap laptop has brought us news from India of a $10 laptop (which later turned out to be a hundred dollars). Today PC Gaming News has details of a laptop which is selling for a measly 45 dollars, what do you get for that, you get a netbook running windows embedded compact 7, 128 megs of ram, a via8505 processor and a 7 inch screen capable of 800x480 pixels resolution." I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook.

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  1. "I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by tripleevenfall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook."

    What is the point of this kind of trolling in article summaries, really?

    1. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook."

      You'd have better luck waiting for Duke Nuke- ...er..wait.. guess we can't use that one anymore.

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    2. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that hasn't been true in a long time. You might be able to get a similarly spec'ed laptop if you didn't care about form-factor or style that much, but then it's not really the same product. The new Mac Book Pro has taken things even further by giving the best resolution available for the money. Doing a quick price comparison can show you they aren't overpriced at all. The Dell Ultrabook XPS 13 currently retails for $999, while the Mac Book Air 13" retails at $1199. Of course the Mac is more, but it has a 1400x900 screen as opposed to 720p resolution, 1.8GHz CPU as opposed to 1.6GHz CPU and a height of 0.68 inches vs. 0.71 inches. The rest of the main features seem to be about the same, and while some may say, what's the difference between .68 and .71 inches, well, it's still 5%, which takes quite a lot of engineering to get rid of when you are looking at laptops of this size. Mac laptops are quite competitively priced, the only problem is they've decided not to make $400 laptops. Which is fine, because there is no money to be made in that market anyway.

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    3. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm amazed how few people actually price shop before they claim the Apple laptops are overpriced. I find them to be +/- 10% of a roughly-equivalent Dell/HP/Lenovo.

      It is correct to say that Apple's laptops are expensive - they don't offer anything at all on the low-end.

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    4. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is no such thing as a good trackpad, they are all equally terrible. I will keep my trackpoint nub, thank you very much.

    5. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm amazed how few people actually price shop before they claim the Apple laptops are overpriced.

      I did just that when I bought my new laptop a couple of years ago. My Toshiba cost $1100 while the closest equivalent Mac -- AFAIR it had a sligfhtly faster CPU, less RAM and a smaller hard drive -- was about $2500.

      So yes, overpriced it was.

    6. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by jimicus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I did just that when I bought my new laptop a couple of years ago. My Toshiba cost $1100 while the closest equivalent Mac -- AFAIR it had a sligfhtly faster CPU, less RAM and a smaller hard drive -- was about $2500.

      Every time I've seen this sort of comparison, closer inspection has revealed that the Apple laptop in question has a number of other features that the cheaper one doesn't. Features that always drive the cost of any laptop up - and while these features may not matter to you as a purchaser, they clearly do matter to some people.

      Typically these concern size, weight, construction materials and battery life.

    7. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by otuz · · Score: 2

      It's not really like that either. The resolution is still 2880x1800 by definition, and 240ppi. Graphics of apps can be scaled to any of those settings, making the workspace equivalent to 1440x900, which is different from having a 1440x900 resolution. Text is also rendered at full depth, unless the app developer decided to write their own font renderer instead of using the standard one, or decided to write nonstandard widgets or just write graphics on-screen with an 1:1 pixel assumption. The scaling can also be turned off, leaving the user with really small UI elements physically.

    8. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by Missing.Matter · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think that hasn't been true in a long time.

      I'm not so sure. A couple years ago I bought an HP Envy 15 for $999 after rebates with 1600x900 display, 160GB ssd, extra battery, 4 GB RAM... I don't remember what the exact specs were for an equivalent Macbook Pro, but I did significant price comparison and the Macbook was over $2000 for lesser hardware in every regard. Just priced out a brand new Envy 15 comapred to the brand new Macbook pro, and here's what we get:

      Envy 15
      Display: 15.6" 1920x1080
      Processor: 3rd generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3610QM Processor (2.3 GHz, 6MB L3 Cache)
      Graphics: 1GB Radeon(TM) HD 7750M GDDR5 Graphics
      Storage: 750GB 7200 rpm Hard Drive
      Memory: 6GB 1600DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
      Height: 1.11 inches
      Weight: 5.79 lbs
      Battery Life: 10 hours
      Warranty: 2 years
      Price: $1,350.00


      Macbook Pro 15
      Display: 15.4" 1440 x 900
      Processor" 2.3GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor (Turbo Boost up to 3.3GHz) with 6MB L3 cache
      Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with 512MB of GDDR5
      Storage: 500GB 5400-rpm hard drive
      Memory: 4GB of 1600MHz DDR3
      Height: 0.95 inch (2.41 cm)
      Weight: 5.6 pounds
      Battery Life: 7 Hours
      Warranty: 1 year
      Price: $1800


      So from my perspective, for $450 less (and this isn't even without ninja rebate magic like I pulled on my last Envy) I'm getting better graphics, more storage, more memory, better display, bigger display, longer battery life, longer warranty, and I'm also getting a decent built laptop with premium features like aluminum casing, slot load DVD, and backlit keyboard, and basic features not available on the macbook pro like HDMI port, display port, 3 USB ports, higher maximum memory (16gb as opposed to 8gb for the macbook pro... how is this a "pro" model again?)

      If the Macbook Pro was really a premium model with premium build and premium specs, then yes, I'd be willing to spend more on it. But it just looks like more money for less value all around. You're really paying a premium for .16" of height, OSX, and the Apple branding as far as I can tell.

    9. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by ABCC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's easy, just start selecting some extra options such as more RAM or an ssd drive. Admittedly the other manufactures also have a high markup on such upgrades but it's much easier to upgrade these parts yourself. Apple do their best to go against this with helpful features such as hard to open cases, oddly sized storage mounts and glued in memory.

      If you choose the cheapest RAM / storage options on a "pc laptop" and buy upgrades elsewhere you not only save a few hundred bucks on manufacturers price but also have a spare drive for backups/whatever and an extra RAM stick to flog on ebay. Given Apple's price markup on upgrades the savings will be even greater for similar specs.

      As for the GPs comparison of a 13" XPS vs the MacBook Air, Standard: given that the Air uses a low power Core variant the fact that it has a higher clock speed is meaningless. The XPS will be faster and costs 20% less than the Air.

    10. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      A woosh to you, sir. I get $10 computers all the time, in fact people usually give them away as they're too underpowered to run a modern OS; I use them for spare parts. I just "fixed" an old ThinkPad that had been given to a Felbers bartender by removing the admin password, drank for free all day when I brought it back.

      You're likely to get a far better used computer for $40 than a new $40 computer. I seriously doubt one of these $40 computers will run Win7 or Ubuntu 11. That was the joke you missed.

    11. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by 0123456 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Every time I've seen this sort of comparison, closer inspection has revealed that the Apple laptop in question has a number of other features that the cheaper one doesn't.

      Yes, it had an Apple logo on the lid.

    12. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by jerk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I used to think the same thing until I used the newer Apple glass trackpads. There is no comparison, really. And the gestures are nice feature and work well.

    13. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I used to agree with you until I started scrolling the page with the trackpad. Now I use that way more than I ever used the nub.

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    14. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by Sancho · · Score: 2

      Really? I almost never see "PC-hate" coming from Mac users. I've seen the Mac vs. PC commercials, which skirt the line a bit, but I don't think I've ever seen a Mac user call a PC user an idiot for choosing PC over Mac.

    15. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by mastermind7373 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have used it. It was inaccurate and clunky. I have NEVER needed to rotate a photograph inaccurately in increments smaller than 90 degrees. When I need to rotate something precisely, I enter the numeric value or use a mouse, where I have support for my wrist to allow precise control.

      The zoom functionality works well when the application supports smooth zooming. Otherwise, it's just as clunky trying to pick one of 3 locked percentages. This is a functionality support issue.

      The scrolling drives me nuts. I HATE physics emulated scrolling. A simple friction slowdown is far more controllable and intuitive TO ME.

      I realize Apple user's quite enjoy their trackpad. I simply wanted to point out that there are some of us who find it gets in our way. It's not universally better, it's suited to it's target audience: you.

    16. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      On Slashdot you can. I mean, we're still making BSOD jokes!

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    17. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook."

      You'd have better luck waiting for Duke Nuke- ...er..wait.. guess we can't use that one anymore.

      It's spelled H a l f l i f e 3.

    18. Re:"I'm still waiting for my under $50 Macbook." by Theaetetus · · Score: 2

      The scrolling drives me nuts. I HATE physics emulated scrolling. A simple friction slowdown is far more controllable and intuitive TO ME.

      Friction not being part of physics?

  2. Lol... by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 2

    Professionals can now work on the go ... a boost with the 128 MB RAM memory

    Exactly what professional can work with such little RAM?
    I don't even think you could connect to a VM properly with that...

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    1. Re:Lol... by hobarrera · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think you're just trolling. Why would you need more than 128MB to connect to a VM, that'd be a simple dumb terminal... I'm pretty sure dumb terminals at that resolution can run just fine with those specs.

    2. Re:Lol... by CubicleZombie · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why would you need more than 128MB to connect to a VM, that'd be a simple dumb terminal... I'm pretty sure dumb terminals at that resolution can run just fine with those specs.

      Once Corporate IT gets ahold of it, it'll need 4GB and a couple of cores just to keep up with Symantec Endpoint Protection.

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    3. Re:Lol... by GrumpySteen · · Score: 4, Funny

      We need a moderation option for "+1 Sad Reality"

    4. Re:Lol... by colinrichardday · · Score: 2

      I've run databases, web servers, mail servers all on a Linux machine with less RAM.

      But did you run a GUI, or go headless? The latter isn't always possible on Windows.

        Of course RAM is cheap so why not just add a little more?

      RAM cards may be cheap, but how do you add RAM slots?

  3. Terrible deal by hackula · · Score: 2

    Go on craigslist and pick up one for 0-50 dollars. It will be no speed demon, but should be plenty to run a light weight distro or XP.

    1. Re:Terrible deal by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 2

      Not very useful, if your plan is to make a Beowulf cluster.

      It will be a while before a sub-$50 computer is truly available. When I say available, I mean that I can order 300 of them now, and they'll be shipped today.

      The closest is the Raspberry Pi computers off Ebay. They go for about $80 (even though they are frequently referred to as $25 or $35 computers). Unfortunately, $80 is more than $50, and there are not 300+ of them available on Ebay.

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    2. Re:Terrible deal by hackula · · Score: 2

      Did you read what I posted? What I am saying is that you can literally go onto craigslist right at this moment and find loads of 50 dollar computers that you can go and buy and hook into your Beowulf cluster this afternoon; no Raspberry Pi required. 50 dollar computers already exist in abundance on the used market. Raspberry Pi is cool, but it is still nowhere near the best value. The best value is your stupid neighbor, cousin, uncle, friend's old PC who just bought a new MBP when their old HP's power supply died. If you know what a Raspberry Pi is, then you should be familiar enough with computers to fix a nearly endless supply of free/cheap computers floating around in your area that nobody wants anymore.

    3. Re:Terrible deal by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 2

      You can find lots of various computers on Craigslist. I will not argue that point. I will argue that they will not be identical, though, and building a beowulf cluster from such machines is all but impossible. Even the trouble of contacting hundreds of craigslist sellers and meeting them in person would push the cost well above $50 each (considering time as money).

      But, I have to admit, I did not RTFA well enough. If you follow the trail of links, you finally arrive here I've removed the part of the URL that generated advertising revenue for the person making the article.

      The Windows CE netbook in the article is available now, and is available in large quantity (1200+ have sold already). It does not have a hard drive, but still meets the criteria that I established in my post above. I guess I have to now eat my words.

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  4. This will be awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The VIA8505 SoC is a AWFUL chip. I have a tablet based one of these running Android and it SUCKS.

  5. Maybe the editors could actually read submissions? by mykepredko · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is an eBay sale of a discontinued netbook.

    As somebody pointed out, if you wanted a $50 netbook, they can look on Craigslist or eBay themselves.

    Nothing new or interesting here,

    myke

  6. VIA 8505 is a Pentium? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2

    Someone should probably tell Intel; Their legal dept might be interested.

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  7. Correct me if I'm wrong... by julesh · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... but isn't Windows 7 Embedded Compact the new name for what used to be called (much more appropriately) WinCE?

    In other words, this is an almost-useless piece of junk that runs a nearly dead operating system that is being dropped by MS in its next version.

    I bought something very similar in the UK for about £30 a couple of years ago. It was useless then, it'll be useless now.

  8. Battery by Dan+East · · Score: 2

    Cheap mobile devices like these (including cheap portable DVD players) save money by skimping on batteries and going with NiMH instead of Lithium Ion. I would be surprised if this netbook could run for two hours off of its batteries.

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    1. Re:Battery by chispito · · Score: 2

      Why cant they skimp more and make it a feature. use 6 AA batteries. LET the buyer go out and get his own batteries. That way it adds a significant amount of useful to the thing. Plus all the survivalist nuts would be all over it.

      Because if there's one thing you need to survive, it's a crappy laptop.

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      That's because their plan is to use those guns to intimidate others into digging privies and farming *for* them.

  9. I've got one smaller! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've got a "laptop" that's about 2 1/2 x 4 inches or so, runs Android, and doubles as a phone... Wait... It *IS* a phone!

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  10. No Just No by Fallingwater · · Score: 2

    WonderMedia WMwhatever processors are INCREDIBLY slow. I have a tablet powered by a WM8650, which is the improved version of he WM8505 the article talks about, and you're always waiting on the CPU to slowly do its thing - both on Android and Debian. It also has 256 megs of RAM, which is about a fourth of what you need for proper general computing nowadays. And this one has even less.
    The WM8505 might be ok for embedded stuff, but as a CPU for general computing, especially with such little RAM and *especially* if it's running Windows, it's really worse than nothing - at least with nothing you go do something else, instead of twiddling your fingers while you wait for the damn thing to display a webpage or something.

  11. Could be an intersting device. by wvmarle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Interesting, and inbelievably cheap - not just becasue of the Windows license fee; no idea how much they pay for that. It's Windows CE so linking to the normal Win7 retail prices doesn't make sense.

    OS: Windows CE. Never worked with that, no idea on the interface. Should include a browser, assume IE. But what version for WinCE?

    Storage: not mentioned. Is this a "true" netbook as in can only do web browsing and web apps? Price could imply no local storage indeed, other than for the embedded OS. The ebay listing has no details at all. They are selling, shipping US only.

    Install other OS? Well if no external storage, good luck with that.

    Install applications? No mention about this. No external storage could be an issue there.

    Form factor looks like the EEEPC 701 series, that's not too bad. It has a higher screen resolution. I like the overall idea. I'm still regularly using that EEEPC, almost exclusively for web browsing. It's sitting on the dining table, quick to grab, small enough to not be in the way too much, light enough to move around with one hand.

  12. Can't wait to see so-called "gamers" buy this by GerbilSoft · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the article:

    Powered by a Pentium processor

    Processsor Type: VIA 8505

    Not only did they get the company wrong, it's not even x86 architecture. VIA 8505 is ARM-based. This isn't even including the fact that it runs Windows CE (aka Windows Embedded Compact), so standard Win32 programs wouldn't run on it, even if compiled for ARM.

    1. Re:Can't wait to see so-called "gamers" buy this by GerbilSoft · · Score: 5, Informative

      Bonus round: Some editor got duped into posting a slashvertisement for an eBay auction. The netbook in question has been available from Amazon since August 2010. (Not the exact model number, but besides running Windows CE 6.0 instead of Windows Embedded Compact 7, the specs are the same.)

      http://www.amazon.com/SYNET7WID-7-Inch-Wireless-Mobile/dp/B003ZYUCDS

  13. Not "Windows" in any meaningful sense by JDG1980 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I saw this same (or very similar) model on sale at the local CVS. One reason it's so cheap is that it doesn't run "Windows" in any meaningful sense. It runs an embedded-system OS that is called Windows, but isn't compatible with any existing Windows software. (Look for much more of this kind of confusion with the upcoming WinRT for ARM.) Furthermore, since this netbook doesn't have an x86 processor, it can't run the real version of Windows.

    1. Re:Not "Windows" in any meaningful sense by Rogue+Haggis+Landing · · Score: 4, Informative

      I saw this same (or very similar) model on sale at the local CVS.

      I'm pretty sure this is the Sylvania netbook that appeared in 2010 for $99 at CVS. Reviewers were not kind about it, but the novelty of buying a $99 computer at a drug store was sort of fun. It's no surprise that 21 months later it's dropped under $50.

      These little craptops have always intrigued me, and it's just a matter of time before someone puts out one in the under-$100 range that's not entirely terrible. There's this guy that is available new from lots of ebay sites (I chose this one at random and am not endorsing it). It runs Android 2.2 and sports 256 mb of RAM. I haven't seen any kind words about it and from the specs it's likely still terrible, but you're starting to approach something respectable. It's not that far from being a 7" version of the Efika MX SmartBook, which isn't a world beater by any stretch, but which is light and fanless and runs Linux and sort of harks back to what was fun about early netbook.

    2. Re:Not "Windows" in any meaningful sense by KiloByte · · Score: 2

      this netbook doesn't have an x86 processor, it can't run the real version of Windows

      So try this: install Debian (if on Android or Maemo, possibly in a chroot), grab the new multiarchized versions of wine that just hit unstable, install qemu-user. Way too slow for modern bloatware, but you can run 95/98 era software adequately.

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  14. 12" is a laptop by tepples · · Score: 2

    I bought one for $275 that has a 12 inch screen, full sized keyboard, and 1300x768 screen, and 64 bit CPU.

    That's a laptop.

    The only netbooks I see listed have tiny 1024x600 resolution, are 10 inch with reduced size keyboards

    I thought one of the defining characteristics of a netbook was a smaller screen. But most of these newer 10" laptops appear to support 64-bit instructions.

    1. Re:12" is a laptop by DragonWriter · · Score: 2

      I thought one of the defining characteristics of a netbook was a smaller screen.

      "Smaller" compared to the high-end for laptops yes, but the high end for WinXP netbooks was 12.1" (due to Windows XP Home UItra-Low Cost PC licensing limitations from Microsoft); the defining features were generally those smaller screens, network or peripheral dependence for loading software (due to lack of a built-in optical drive), and network or peripheral dependence for large data storage (due to small onboard HDD or even smaller SSD as the main mass storage unit) -- those last two features are the key defining features from which the "netbook" gets its name.

      Now, netbooks feature 10.2" or smaller screens because of Microsoft Windows 7 Starter licensing arrangements, which make that version of Windows (and its low-cost license) only available for computers with certain specifications, including 10.2" or smaller screens.

  15. Re:$1200 is not a good price by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Interesting

    See the problem is that Apple doesn't make a Mac for your needs and specs and price. They do sell millions to customers each quarter that fulfills their needs as some people want an Ultrabook. I would venture to say that few of them judge you while you judge them.

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  16. Well-founded arguments need precise definitions by tepples · · Score: 2

    If you're going to make a distinction between two product classes, you're going to need to tell us how you define the difference so that the debate doesn't collapse. As a first approximation, I define a laptop as a computer with a built-in keyboard suitable for touch typing and a screen that folds down to cover the keyboard when not in use, and I define a netbook as a laptop with a small screen.

  17. Re:What year is it again? by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 2

    The date is incorrect. The ebay auction referenced in the article was originally posted June 7, 2012.

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  18. This is not new, they used to be $99 by davydagger · · Score: 3, Informative

    and utter crap. ARM class CPU is locked to windows CE. the specs if I recall are a 350mhz cpu, 128 mb of ram, 4-8 Gb storage, USB 1.1, and a useless 800x480 display. Utterly worthless. I tried researching instructions for installing linux, not easy. All for trash grade hardware. If you did want a slick arm based netbook try: https://www.genesi-usa.com/

  19. Windows CE == crap, laptop too slow for video by Blaskowicz · · Score: 2

    a friend got a "netbook" with the same hardware, windows CE 6.0. a "Tec T-book". All software outdated, very few of it (wordpad, calculator and that's all), no apparent way to install software - you can browse web archives for old PDA software meant to run on resolutions below 320x240, but what to do with it?

    then, the CPU is too slow for smooth playback of SD divx. you can probably play mp3, but on a lame version of windows media player, I prefer a winamp clone. Internet Explorer on it is like browsing with a 486 under windows 3.1. There's was a youtube app! but it was broken, hard-wired to how youtube was a few years ago, it couldn't load or display anything.

    it's a total rip off and my friend had paid 79 euros for this. but interestingly, it has better connectivity that a macbook air : three USB, two audio jacks, SD and ethernet! purportedly you can install Android 1.x on it. too bad my buddy got it stolen, I would have tried to do it, and install busybox or something. it can be interesting for a machine only used to ssh in other machines.

    now the best about it : it's incredibly light, solid state and fanless. its keyboard and LCD are standard quality - because they are no factories making terrible versions of them. so the display, helped by its small size looked excellent. So, it was both the worst computer ever and had something to it! I noticed a remotely similar computer : Efila MX smartbook, it's 189 euros but has 10", 800MHz ARM cortex, 3G modem, 512MB memory, 16GB flash, good keyboard. It looks awesome and thin, but you lose the ethernet port which is a tragedy.

  20. Add linux or android... by ilikenwf · · Score: 2

    And the price will come down another $10-20...

  21. Re:$1200 is not a good price by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    I have a full laptop. It weighs 5+ lbs. It has cheap plastic pieces that are falling off that I've taped back together. I can afford a new unibody Ultrabook if I wanted. I just don't want one because I'm cheap and my laptop will die before I replace it. Unlike you, I realize that my needs and wants != everyone else in the world. Why does it threaten you so much that other people choose differently than you? Someone wanting to buy Jimmy Choos does not hamper my ability to purchase New Balance sneakers.

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  22. This isn't a 'Laptop' by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 2

    Nobody would consider this heap a laptop.

    It looks like they took the guts of a 7" tablet, moved the touchscreen to a touchpad, added a crap keyboard and Win7 Embedded(lol), and sold it for as little as physically possible.

    128MB ram is abysmal. You can't get anything done with that, and even my Firefox routinely goes above that by almost double when working with a lot of sites at once, or streaming video, or using any sort of complex web app.

    Good luck with that, bros. I'm not getting one.

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  23. Re:$1200 is not a good price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't frankly care if something is 2 inches or 2.5 inches thick. Nor wether it has 800 resolution which I won't be using anyway. What I do care about is a floppy disk drive, plenty of serial ports and an a dial-up modem so I don't have to rely on shit dongles when in an office or at home.

    Oh , but it doesn't have that.

    Laptops in general are nothing more than vanity machines for people with more money than sense.

    Mod me down fanboys, I care not and I have karma to burn.

  24. Re:The specs are reasonable, for the price. by jimicus · · Score: 2

    64K? We had 32K, and most of that was reserved for other things so we couldn't actually use it.

    And as for floppy disks! We used to dream of floppy disks! We had to plug our dad's cassette player into the computer to load software!

  25. Re:Comparing Apples to Oranges by Teun · · Score: 2

    This thing can't run malware for the life of it, there's just not enough RAM :)

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  26. Re:And I think that's about it. by asylumx · · Score: 2

    Can I have your stuff?

  27. Re:$1200 is not a good price by Eivind+Eklund · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For what I need, I'm probably going to install Unix (FreeBSD or Linux) on it and be paying an extra $1000 or so primarily for a better trackpad and an easier to connect/disconnect power supply chord - and that is worth it to me.

    I've just got to say, holy fuck!

    I usually have a computer for 3 to 5 years; let's say four years on average. That's less than 70 cents a day. I use it for a fair bit of time every day, and I immediately appreciate a better trackpad (and regularly appreciate slot loading as opposed to tray loading DVD; forgot that annoyance point). I also am more likely to move to a better spot (more ergonomically wise) if there's no hassle with the power supply cord, and I'm less likely to get the machine damaged or trip from the power supply cord with the better connection.

    All in all, it's worth 70 cents a day to me. If I was extremely money constrained in general, it might not be - but I have a comfortable income and having the computer I spend a lot of time on be comfortable to me is worth it.

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