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Capitalists Who Fear Change

bill_mcgonigle writes "In his essay 'Capitalists Who Fear Change,' author Jeffrey Tucker takes on 'wimps who don't want to improve.' From DMCA take-downs on 3D printing files to the constant refrain that every new form of music recording will 'kill music,' Mr. Tucker observes, 'Through our long history of improvement, every upgrade and every shift from old to new inspired panic. The biggest panic typically comes from the producers themselves who resent the way the market process destabilizes their business model.' He analyzes how the markets move the march of technology ever forward. He takes on patents, copyrights, tariffs, and protectionism of entrenched interests in general, with guarded optimism: 'The promise of the future is nothing short of spectacular — provided that those who lack the imagination to see the potential here don't get their way.'"

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  1. Meanwhile back in the Neolithic... by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Home farming is killing the hunting and gathering industries.

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    1. Re:Meanwhile back in the Neolithic... by jhoegl · · Score: 3, Funny

      Consult femputer... she know what do!

    2. Re:Meanwhile back in the Neolithic... by k6mfw · · Score: 5, Funny

      and another thing that is really devastating is painting on cave walls of last hunting expedition. Other cavemen will be able to learn from Ug's hunting tactics and Ug will go out of business!

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    3. Re:Meanwhile back in the Neolithic... by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Home fucking is killing prostitution.

    4. Re:Meanwhile back in the Neolithic... by vux984 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Meh, the last installment showed Ug getting eaten by a tiger.

      While I'm sure other cavemen may take that lesson to heart, Ug's business is already taken care of.

  2. There is a fundamental error by 3seas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    fearing change is contrary to the genuine intent of capitalism. So it is in error to say capitalist are fearful of change. But control freaks... that's different.

    1. Re:There is a fundamental error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      fearing change is contrary to the genuine intent of capitalism. So it is in error to say capitalist are fearful of change. But control freaks... that's different.

      The title clearly says "Capitalists WHO fear change", not "Capitalists fear change".
      Learn the difference.

    2. Re:There is a fundamental error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not really. The goal of a capitalist is to make money. If you are successful and at the head of your market then fear of change is natural, as change is not likely to benefit you. If on the other hand you are new and not yet established then change is likely to provide opportunites for advancement and is less likely to be feared.

    3. Re:There is a fundamental error by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is a 'lies to children' explanation of capitalism. A more accurate definition is the ownership of capital, especially the means of production, by private interests.

    4. Re:There is a fundamental error by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      fearing change is contrary to the genuine intent of capitalism.

      Nonsense. We've known for nearly a century that the true intent of capitalism was to put a nice cushion between the rich and the rest.

      Even the most ardent capitalist apologists now admit that there are going to be a whole lot of people who just need to be cut loose. The only question left is how to keep the ones who miss the bus from cluttering up the view from the top.

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    5. Re:There is a fundamental error by Loosifur · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's not a coherent explanation, it's a list of things. What did you mean?

      That's as coherent as it gets. Capitalism is an economic system wherein private interests own all capital, i.e. means of production. Means of production are things like tools, factories, etc., basically any durable good that is used to manufacture something else for profit. The definition doesn't get much simpler without losing some accuracy, so if you're having a hard time with it you might read a bit of basic economics.

      Capitalism is based upon the selfish desire to make money.

      Centrally-controlled socialist economies can also be based on the "selfish desire to make money." After all, they use the power of law and their ability to enforce laws with violence to remain the dominant (or only) economic actor. I always think it's funny that people see corporations as big, evil, monolithic robber-barons, but have no problem with an entire government controlling your access to resources with tanks and assault rifles. I mean, do you think your one vote has more impact on your happy smileville socialist government than my spending or not spending money on something has on a company?

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    6. Re:There is a fundamental error by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well... it kind of happened. Only we called it feudalism. And, as far as we can see, it "ended" exactly where we are.

    7. Re:There is a fundamental error by fmobus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sorry, you are wrong. Those two things are required for capitalism to exist, but they do not equal capitalism. For example, they both existed in ancient Greece and Rome, but neither of those societies were capitalistic. By most historic definitions, capitalism came after feudalism, and was the fruit of the widespread adoption of a different set of behaviors towards property and investment. Wikipedia has a rather decent write-up on this subject.

    8. Re:There is a fundamental error by compro01 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Communism works fine. Hutterite colonies all around here operate on communal ownership and have for decades.

      What communism does not do is scale up worth a damn. Seemingly, once the population goes past Dunbar's number, it breaks down. A non-homogenous population probably would knock that limit down further.

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  3. 3D printing = proles own the means of production by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Once the average home can contain everything needed to produce consumer items, there will be no more reason for big business.

    Imagine a set of 3d printers, automated chemical labs, vapor-deposited chip fab in your garage. Maybe even a programmable genetic engineering machine and a computer controlled hydroponic garden to produce your food. You'd never go to the store again.

  4. Producers? by yesterdaystomorrow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's generally not the people who create things, make things, or provide useful services who fear change. They can adapt. But if you've spent your life's effort working your way into control of a particular set of cash registers, change is very threatening indeed.

  5. Re:Iron Law of Oligarchy by bhagwad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can you imagine where we would be now if companies like the RIAA, AT&T, Time Warner and other big media/telecom firms had fully realized what the Internet would turn out to be like 20 years ago? I shudder to imagine what they would have made it instead of what it is now. I'm so grateful for their lack of imagination.

  6. And this is why federal government needs to shrink by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The larger the government is, the more is can be used as a cudgel to take down smaller competitors by big business.

    Reduce regulation, reduce the power the federal government wields and inherently big business only has the power of whatever intellect they have multiplied by the money they have on hand.

    The smaller government is the more small businesses will thrive.

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  7. Re:And this is why federal government needs to shr by Microlith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What regulations would you reduce? I hear that all the time but little to nothing in specifics except ways that put more power into corporate hands / push costs off on to the citizens of the country.

  8. Re:And this is why federal government needs to shr by Ironchew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reducing government regulation only leaves a power vacuum that big players in the private sector (transnational corporations, etc.) would gladly fill. These new overlords would gladly oppress the public if it meant a secured source of profit, and they wouldn't have to worry about the pesky constitutional limitations our government operates under.

    Reducing government influence is the same as reducing public influence. I don't want to return to the Gilded Age just for promises of a more efficient capitalism.

  9. Duh by rrohbeck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The incumbents prefer the status quo because that's where they make their money. If you're entrenched then change is bad.
    Now apply this premise to fossil fuel companies.

  10. Re:And this is why federal government needs to shr by Microlith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, a handful of high level suggestions would be useful. I rarely even get that. Though I am not surprised to get an offhand dismissal from an AC. That said, when people scream about "reducing regulation" it rarely has anything to do with bills that benefit corporations.

    And I expect better from /. as well, which is why I'm baffled that the GGP got modded +4 with such an empty post.

  11. Re:Logical fallacy by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, actually, it's the "no true scotsman" fallacy:

    Assertion: No capitalist would fear change.

    Counterexample: But these [examples listed] capitalists fear change.

    Rebuttal: those are no true capitalists!

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  12. Re:And this is why federal government needs to shr by Microlith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Pick any industry, and look up the number of regulations. The sheer number of them keeps some businesses from doing anything because of the cost of keeping track of being compliant.

    Unsubstantiated vagaries. I wanted one example, can you not even provide that? If you are so concerned, obviously you have specific examples you have selected as evidence for your case.

    The number alone, never mind any one regulation in particular, can easily keep smaller players out of the game.

    Such as? Let's go at this another way, name a company that has been shut down or kept out of a market because of regulations?

    So basically just reduce them by half. Any regulations, it doesn't really matter which ones - because they are mostly selectively enforced anyway whenever someone gets uppity.

    It does matter. Suggesting that you can just arbitrarily drop half the regulations in existence implies that no one rule has any more value than another, which is totally disingenuous.

  13. Re:Logical fallacy by SteveFoerster · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is true. Too many people on all sides of the ideological map don't understand there's a gigantic difference between capitalism and corporatism. In one, you actually have free markets, and inefficient businesses actually lose money and go under. But in the corporatist system we have, executives of giant corporations (which rely on limited liability that couldn't even exist in a real free market) cozy up to policy makers for mutual advantage. They're as different from each other as either is from socialism.

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  14. Re:Logical fallacy by SteveFoerster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not that the "No True Scotsman" fallacy doesn't exist; it does. But sometimes it turns out it really was an Englishman.

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  15. Re:Logical fallacy by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 3

    Is it a NTS though if the alleged fallacy-rebuttal is in fact part of the definition of something? If by definition fear of change truly is contrary to the genuine nature of capitalism then it is not a fallacy to genuinely assault the legitimacy of claiming the title "capitalist" applies.

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  16. Hidden behind the scenes... by dpilot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hidden behind the scenes of this discussions is the inherent and unquestioned assumption that capitalism is good.

    Note that I'm not saying it's not. I'm just saying that there is an entrenched belief here even stronger than religion. The arguments all seem to be "whose definition of capitalism" and "One True Scotsman" type of arguments. But under it all is the (again) unquestioned assumption that capitalism (appropriately defined, of course) is the One True Way of resource management.

    Again, in this I'm not questioning capitalism, I'm questioning the degree to which it has become a base assumption.

    So here's a bit of a progression...

    1 - Democracy and elections are good - not because they generate the best government, but because when properly executed, they peacefully remove and replace the government. Sometimes the replacement is better, sometimes worse, but at the very least, the replacement process is less disruptive and wasteful than a bloody revolution. If democracy were really working well, principally if the electorate chose to educate themselves well, governance would get incrementally better, where "better" is defined by a majority of the people. Things may not be happening that way, currently.

    2 - Capitalism is good - not because it does the best job of distributing resources, but because when properly executed, bad players in the system exit and others take their place. If the market were properly transparent, and properly policed, even if only by its participants, the job of distributing resources would get incrementally better. Things may not be happening that way, currently.

    There is nothing sacrosanct about the "profit motive". It's a nod to human nature, recognizing that personal gain can be highly motivating. Other than that motivational factor, "profit" is simply inefficiency in moving goods from supplier to consumer. The real idea behind the "free market" is that it harnesses chaos - a sort of natural selection of a wide array of ideas. When incumbants are able to suppress emergents, the free market is failing.

    It's amusing/astonishing/sad that people rail at the thought of economic central planning by a government, yet accept economic central planning by entrenched market incumbants. It's not the government that's the enemy, it's the central planning, by whatever party. Some amount of chaos must exist, some continual level of instability, or the system isn't really working.

    Food for thought...
    In a world with nuclear bombs, genetically engineered virii, and other results of high technology becoming widely available, "human nature" is no longer good enough. If we don't start doing better than "human nature", we'll probably stop doing. Thinking about it a little, we're more likely to crash our society, crash our population, lose our technology, and be lucky to work our way back to a feudal steam age. (The easy energy is gone. The easy resources are gone, perhaps accessible in landfills, perhaps locked up in alloys that need high energy and high-tech to get out.)

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    1. Re:Hidden behind the scenes... by multiplexo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This post is rife with ignorance and false statements that I don't have time to dispute.

      What the poster really meant to say was: "This post conflicts with my dearly held and totally unexamined assumptions and ideas about capitalism. I am incapable of addressing it in any coherent fashion so I will instead wave my hands and imply that the original poster is ignorant and a liar because he said things that make me uncomfortable."

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    2. Re:Hidden behind the scenes... by dpilot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'll give you a little "better" response on human nature. I have 2 sources, which no doubt are not original, but that doesn't matter. Think in terms of discussing philosophy with Bomb #20.

      Point 1 - Mine - "I may be wrong." It's always important to admit that, and to adjust your actions accordingly. How much misery has been caused by "Acting with the courage or our convictions" or "Doing what we know is RIGHT"? That is not to say never act, but we often put our blinders on with our own ideas. Me included.

      Point 2 - In the novel "Earth" David Brin at one point tried to distill "three culturally-neutral definitions for sanity". To be honest, I've forgotten his third, and wasn't sufficiently impressed by it at the time - perhaps my failing. But the first 2 were really good.

      Culturally-Neutral Sanity
      1 - The abilitiy to be satiated. The ability to recognize that you have enough, and quit seeking more. We generally recognize satiation in everything except money, power, and to a lesser extent, sex.
      2 - The ability to adjust your plans to fit changing circumstances. Or as (I believe it was) Einstein put it, "Insanity is doing the exact same thing over and over, expecting different results."

      So there, how about 3 meaningful prescriptions. Of course I may be wrong - perhaps the best way to run a world is unlimited exercise of personal greed by all. But I don't think so.

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  17. Re:Logical fallacy by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it a NTS though if the alleged fallacy-rebuttal is in fact part of the definition of something? If by definition fear of change truly is contrary to the genuine nature of capitalism then it is not a fallacy to genuinely assault the legitimacy of claiming the title "capitalist" applies.

    That's what I call the "No True Scotsman Fallacy Fallacy". The fact is that a Scotsman is one by birth, and so there's an easily described definition of a Scotsman. You are or you aren't, and a simple birth certificate check will ell.

    "Capitalist" also has a definition, but it's not as cut and dry as "Scotsman". Still, it's pretty obvious that while anyone can claim to be a capitalist, some people are so far outside the definition that they clearly aren't. That's not a fallacy.

    Here's how I usually handle it. It seems that most people who use the NTSFF are lefties. Fine. If Joseph Hazelwood claims to be an environmentalist that means that some environmentalists like to get drunk and trash wildlife refuges by spilling millions of gallons of oil in them, right? No, it would mean that he's a crackpot.

    Oddly, Nobody pulls out the NTSFF when you put it in those terms.

  18. The problem with many advocates of capitalism by multiplexo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    is that they're stupid, especially those dumb bastards who love Ayn Rand and think that Ron Paul actually cares about liberty, and don't really know much about capitalism and don't bother to think things through. If a capitalist has a choice between spending X amount of resources to preserve his profits via rent-seeking mechanisms such as the DMCA or onerous patent litigation and 2X to preserve his profits via developing more efficient products rational actor theory, and human nature, says that rent-seeking is going to win every time. Adam Smith, you know, the guy who wrote The Wealth of Nations pointed this out when he wrote:

    “People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”

    When confronted with this fact they either ignore it, minimize its threat, offer up irrelevant counter arguments or offer up solutions that make no sense whatsoever, such as eliminating government altogether.

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  19. Re:Logical fallacy by Burning1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By the same token, there are two types of communism - a pure type where all resources are shared by the people for the good of the people. The other is what we end up with, and is closer to fascism.

    The dream market will never exist. It will always degrade into something else.

  20. Re:Logical fallacy by thomst · · Score: 5, Insightful

    SteveFoerster opined:

    Too many people on all sides of the ideological map don't understand there's a gigantic difference between capitalism and corporatism. In one, you actually have free markets, and inefficient businesses actually lose money and go under. But in the corporatist system we have, executives of giant corporations (which rely on limited liability that couldn't even exist in a real free market) cozy up to policy makers for mutual advantage. They're as different from each other as either is from socialism.

    Man, am I sick of this argument.

    "I fiercely defend free-market capitalism! But we don't actually HAVE free-market capitalism ... we have corporatism, instead. And, er, Ludwig Von Mises!"

    Give to me a break.

    We will NEVER have free-market capitalism. It's a mythical state of being, like pure communism. We will always have a tilted playing field, because human beings are not perfectable. People are crooked - or, at least, enough of them are that any economic system that depends on "fair play" to work WON'T.

    Full stop.

    The libertarian utopia is as much a pipe dream as the communist one, and for the same reason: both depend on humans to act in perfectly logical, reasonable, and predictable ways. They won't. They can't. Humans are irrational, short-sighted, emotional beings, not robots. Just as they're not content with "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," they're not willing to compete without seeking an edge, literally by hook or by crook. YOU may be willing to compete on a level playing field - but it only takes a few scammers and con artists to upend that field to the point where EVERYONE starts scrambling for an unfair advantage.

    That's why regulated markets exist. Because humans lie, steal, and cheat - predictably so. Regulators come into being in an attempt to address those problems. Do the regulators get coopted, or misidentify problems and therefore apply inappropriate strategies to correct them? Oh, hell yes. That's because those regulators are themselves human beings, for which see above.

    And around and around and around it goes.

    FUCK Ludwig Von Mises. He isn't talking about the real world. The real world is crooked, unfair, and messy - and it's never magically going to change into the ideal, free-market condition about which libertarians, Randroids, and other such shut-ins so endlessly hyperventilate. Pull your collective heads out of your determinedly-individualistic asses, and DEAL WITH IT. There IS no ideal free market economy. There never WILL be an ideal free-market economy. And any philosophy that depends on the existence of an ideal free-market economy is a PIPE DREAM.

    Grow the fuck up.

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  21. Re:yes by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Interesting

    you're a moron

    you believe the only choices are the extremes?

    how about capitalism with social safety nets?

    how about socialism with a capitalist engine?

    moderation, the middle way, is true wisdom

    but don't let that stop you from painting me as another extreme just because i stand against your extreme

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  22. no, it's not a strawman argument by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Informative

    LvM and other free market advocates depend upon human beings behaving like human beings have never behaved, in any time or culture before. and people never will behave in the way LvM and free market advocates requiring them to behave in order for their sophomoric fantasies to exist

    ergo, the grandfather post to this hits the nail dead on the head: we need a strong central government and strongly regulated markets in order for them to be truly free. free as in fair and just, as in the big guys and the little guys acting with equal potential, as in the big guys not colluding and taking advantage of the little guys, which is what would actually transpire, and has always transpired, in truly "free", as in natural and unregulated, markets

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