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Microsoft Wins Congressional Backing For Do-Not-Track Default In IE10

An anonymous reader writes "Thought Do Not Track was strictly a geeks' issue? Think again. After Microsoft was slapped down for enabling DNT by default in Internet Explorer 10, the co-chairs of the US's Congressional Bi-Partisan Privacy Caucus have sent a strongly-worded letter to the W3C urging it to reconsider. As webdev360.com points out, it's an interesting (unprecedented?) example of Congress interacting with the standards body: 'Whether members of the [working group] will take kindly to the Representatives' interference remains to be seen. Ed Markey's legislative director, Joseph Wender, has brought the letter to the attention of the group's mailing list, but, as of the time of writing, he hasn't received any replies.'"

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  1. Those are some serious consequences by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Funny

    If they don't change their ways, they may get another strongly worded letter about it!

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  2. Increase in tracking by another+random+user · · Score: 5, Interesting
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  3. if they care about it so much by gl4ss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    why don't they make it into a law that you have to have a "TRACK ME PLEASE" cookie for it to be legal to track your flow through multiple domains..

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    1. Re:if they care about it so much by buchner.johannes · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mozilla discussed that DNT would have no value if enabled by default -- https://blog.mozilla.org/privacy/2011/11/09/dnt-cannot-be-default/

      Frankly, it becomes meaningless if we enable it by default for all our users. Do Not Track is intended to express an individual’s choice, or preference, to not be tracked. It’s important that the signal represents a choice made by the person behind the leopard and not the software maker, because ultimately it’s not Firefox being tracked, it’s the user.

      Microsoft will undermine DNT if they enable it for everyone.

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    2. Re:if they care about it so much by crazyjj · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Mozilla discussed that DNT would have no value if enabled by default

      Mozilla, who gets about 90% of their income from Google, sides with Google on this one?!? What a shocker!!

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    3. Re:if they care about it so much by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're looking at it the wrong way. If they say "On by default" for do not track, then do not track will be ignored by tracking advertisers. Adhering to it is not mandatory. This is what they want, so they can get your personal info from private entities with nothing more than imposing logos on headed paper and some threats involving the words "could" "might" and "potentially".

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    4. Re:if they care about it so much by ArsonSmith · · Score: 4, Informative

      it is 100% optional to follow the "Do not track" flag. If it's on by default it'll be ignored by default. If it's only on by a % of people that care then it will have a better chance of being followed.

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  4. What the fuck? by TheSpoom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless they're planning on adding the force of law to the DNT bit, all this will do is make advertisers ignore it (and, they could argue, rightfully so since they couldn't be certain that people turned it on of their own volition).

    Microsoft could pop up a dialog asking, but even then, who exactly is going to click "yes, track me"? Perhaps they should get together with some people from the advertising industry to come up with some fair copy that explains the benefits (targeted ads mean that you receive ads that will more likely interest you, after all) and drawbacks of cross-domain tracking, to ensure a semi-educated choice on the part of users.

    If they just turn it on and don't ask about it though, expect it to be yet another technology extinguished by poor Microsoft engineering decisions. (I was kinda hoping we were past that, guys.)

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  5. Re:Why did W3C oppose this to begin with?!?!? by FearTheDonut · · Score: 5, Informative

    They're opposed to it, because it is perceived that if "Do Not Track" is the default, advertising companies would simply ignore the setting and track people anyway.

  6. Re:Do Not Track for Windows Update by tgd · · Score: 5, Informative

    While playing closed-minded open-source Microsoft-bashing zealot on Slashdot is, in the eyes of many here, a route to being cool -- if you want to know, you could always use Google, Bing, or just run Fiddler and look for yourself.

    The protocol is fully documented by Microsoft and not hard to find if you have some keyword ninja skills and a search engine.

  7. Re:Do Not Track, Do No Evil, they're all the same. by Bert64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it's the default, there will be virtually noone who turns it off...
    Those who care about privacy will leave it on, those who don't care won't even realise the option exists.
    Subsequently, advertisers will ignore it because it becomes fairly meaningless, and not ignoring it would lose them potential eyeballs who don't care about being tracked. So the feature just becomes worthless.

    On the other hand, if its off by default then only those who care about privacy will turn it on. Advertisers are quite happy to lose these eyeballs, as these people would generally not respond to advertising anyway. Everyone wins.

    The whole purpose of the DNT header is to allow users to make a statement of "I do not want to be tracked", but if you make it the default it will just be a statement of "I have probably not bothered to change the default settings and most likely don't even realise such settings exist"

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  8. Re:Do Not Track for Windows Update by tgd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Re-read my post. It's not what is being sent, it is what's being kept and tracked.

    Look at the protocol. They can't keep more than is in there.