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Ask Slashdot: How To Introduce Someone To Star Trek?

First time accepted submitter red$hirt writes "I have a few friends, plus my girlfriend, who I would like to introduce to Star Trek. They do have a general interest to watch it, but I'm not sure what's the best way to start. There are so many series and movies and I would like to pick an order that keeps them interested. My first idea is to start off with a few good TNG episodes, and then let them watch First Contact. What does Slashdot think? I'm sure some of you have introduced others to Star Trek before. How did you do it, and how successful were you? Which particular episodes would you recommend watching for someone who is completely new to all this?"

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  1. Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by greg_barton · · Score: 5, Informative

    KHAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!

    1. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Informative

      TOS may be campy, but it's first season is one of Trek's best. Why? Because it was written by lots of science fiction authors, rather than the standard TV crap writer. (NOTE: Season 1 is also best-watched in production number order, not airdate order. The storyline will make more sense then.)

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    2. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Agree with this, I only recently started watching star trek having run out of other tv shows to watch. I started watching it in chronological order and I just finished tng and am half way through ds9. Out of the three I like tos best as the premise of each episode was a very simple 'what if' thought experiment with a very simple philosophical question. I guess I enjoyed the simplicity. The other two cover more complex issues like family and politics and economics which I think detract from the sci-fi aspect of them and push them more towards the realm of standard drama series and soap opera respectively. It depends what kind of people you are showing it to though. I was surprised how easily I got over the datedness of tos but that might not be so easy for everyone. Don't take it too seriously.

    3. Re:Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!! by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually if they had never seen it "Space Seed" which introduced the character would be a better place to start, to see his fall from power and the lovely wife that Ceti Alpha V would take from Khan would give better context to the movie.

      If it were my list I'd probably start with a greatest hits from each series,City on the edge of forever, balance of power, space seed, the conscience of the king, corbomite maneuver,A Taste of Armageddon,Mirror mirror,trouble with tribbles,ultimate computer,day of the dove,Requiem for Methuselah,The Savage Curtain and probably doomsday machine from TOS.

      With TNG it gets a little harder as some of these are probably more personal favs than on anybody's top ten but the measure of a man, elementary dear data and ship in a bottle (I always liked Moriarty), best of both worlds I&II, Darmok, Q Who, yesterday's enterprise,inner light,chain of command, all good things.

      For DS9, again subjective, Duet,our man bashir, trials and tribbleations,blood oath, Crossover (always liked the mirrorverse),civil defense,through the looking glass (mirrorverse), the adversary,little green men (silly but cute and a good character piece IMHO),return to grace (good Dukat piece), call to arms through sacrifice of angels (6 episode Dominion war arc),Waltz, in the pale moonlight, treachery, faith and the great river (cute and light hearted Ferengi piece),once more into the breach (good Klingon character episode), Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges (good dark episode that shows the federation isn't always the good guys), some like what you leave behind but I thought they should have killed Dukat at Waltz and went too far to keep him as a character so that should be enough there.

      Sadly Voyager and Enterprise didn't get as many good episodes, i loved the characters of Voyager but the writers were pussies and kept hitting the reset button and thus killing any character development but there were a few, more than Enterprise which seemed to be an excuse for bad speeches and lesbo yay more than anything. From Voyager..heroes and demons,jetrel,prototype, dreadnought (I liked it), death wish (great Q piece), the thaw (truly good, and a great villain),future's end I&II (again I liked it and had some cute bits),year of hell I&II (damned shame they didn't have the balls to stick with the story instead of the reset button),scorpion I&II (good Borg episodes), message in a bottle, living witness (good doc episode), timeless, nothing human (good character piece),counterpoint,bride of chaotica (just a cute episode) , course oblivion (VERY dark but good) warhead, equinox I&II (another dark but good), tinker tenor doctor spy (silly but cute and a good doc ep), life line (another good doc),author author (another good doc), latent image (noticing a pattern with doc getting the good ones?) dark Frontier I&II (Janeway and the Borg Queen which fits in nicely with the final ep) and Endgame.

      As for Enterprise...sigh, only the two Mirrorverse are IMHO worth watching, as in every other episode it feels like the writers are passing the idiot ball and most episodes have the captain especially cringe worthy. The movies? Easy, 2-4 although 3 isn't as good as 2 and 4 they fit nicely together and First Contact is decent.

      That should give you more than enough decent episodes that if they like it they can always ask to see others. BTW if you hate them make them set through Okana from TNG and Threshhold from Voyager, both so horribly bad they make for good MST3K style fodder.

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  2. I don't know the best way by 2.7182 · · Score: 3, Informative

    But I am pretty sure that showing them the episode "Spock's Brain" would be the worst way.

  3. Voyager by Pseudonym · · Score: 1, Informative

    Start with Voyager. Seriously. Apart from the odd Q or Barclay episode, it doesn't require nearly as much pre-existing knowledge as any of the other next-gen series apart from the first season of TNG. And the first season of TNG mostly sucked.

    Alternatively, you could always start with J.J. Abrams.

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    1. Re:Voyager by AngryDeuce · · Score: 3, Informative

      Holy fuckballs, do not start with Voyager. That is terrible advice.

      The Voyager characters were bland as fuck, the stories were retarded (outside of a few exceptions, Year of Hell comes to mind) and as a committed Star Trek junkie even I had a hard damn time pushing through many of them. I mean, I've read a lot of the novels and some of the comics and enjoyed most of them more than Voyager, and there is a lot of craptacular novels, believe me.

    2. Re:Voyager by Pseudonym · · Score: 3, Informative

      I thought the first season of TNG was actually not that bad.

      I don't want to get caught up defending throw-away remarks, but I'd like to point out two things:

      1. It was far better than most things on US TV in 1987. But compared to later seasons, it sucked like a gravitational anomaly.
      2. The problem was almost entirely budgetary.

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    3. Re:Voyager by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're on crack. Enterprise isn't better than anything, everyone knows this.

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  4. Redshirts by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just a plug for Scalzi's new book, "Redshirts" - it's only indirectly about Star Trek, but well worth the read if you want to get into Trek....

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  5. The Inner Light by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Get them to watch The Next Generation episode "The Inner Light." This was by far one of the best hours of television in history. Then maybe "City on the Edge of Forever" from the original series. If those don't hook them, don't bother trying any further, it's a hopeless cause.

  6. Re:Well... by magarity · · Score: 2, Informative

    If she asks, "What is Warp?" Just say, "It lets the ship go faster than light."

    That's way too technical; the correct answer is: "That's how the ship goes from one planet to another"

  7. Re:My advice by cpu6502 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not everybody likes the same thing.
    If you insist upon Star Trek, I'd start with TNG because Gene Roddenberry purposely made each episode a stand-alone story. According to his wife Majel he thought continuing stories alienated the viewers (because they would be lost).

    I'd start with some of season 1's better episodes (because they establish character backgrounds), skip the writer's strike-damaged season 2, and then continue onward from there.

    Or you could just start with season 3 which I thought was the best of all of them. Almost every episode is a winner.

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  8. Re:My advice by iluvcapra · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you insist upon Star Trek, I'd start with TNG because Gene Roddenberry purposely made each episode a stand-alone story. According to his wife Majel he thought continuing stories alienated the viewers (because they would be lost).

    A lot of people watch shows with continuing story lines now: Lost, True Blood, Breaking Bad, The Wire I think have proven this point. I recently started going through Deep Space 9 for again on Netflix, and it's incredible! I think it's now my favorite of the modern TV Treks. A broad story arc with several different conflicts, very interesting characters and extremely interesting villains -- someone could probably write a doctoral dissertation on Gul Dukat or Garak. It also features complicated political problems and intrigues, and occasionally Starfleet officers do evil things, without being possessed by a lizard alien. It's exactly the kind of show Roddenberry would never have allowed to be made.

    There are also amazing gems like Little Green Men and Trials and Tribblations.

    My issue with starting someone on TNG is that season three is great, but it gets soap-opera'y by season 7, with evil twin brothers, love triangles, and all the actors are so chummy it feels like a community theater show. Also several of the later episodes fall into particle-of-the-week-ism and repeat premises from earlier in the series.

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  9. Re:My advice by DudemanX · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are a few gems in the second season like Elementary, Dear Data and Measure of a Man.