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Astronomers Catch Asteroid In Near-Miss Video

ananyo writes in with a story about an asteroid near miss and a neat video taken by researchers. "It may look like a blurry blob, but researchers using the InfraRed Telescope Facility (IRTF) in Hawaii have posted a video of 2012 KT42 — a small asteroid that zipped past Earth at a distance of just three Earth radii on 29 May — the sixth closest encounter of any known asteroid. The bright asteroid appears fixed, while background stars zip past but in fact the asteroid is zipping along at 17 kilometres per second. 'You get the view of riding along with it,' says planetary scientist Richard Binzel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, who led the observations. At its closest, the asteroid was at a distance between the orbit of the space station (about 1 Earth radii) and geosynchronous satellites (about 6 Earth radii)."

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  1. Space station altitude.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Space station altitude is no where near 1 earth radius!!

    1. Re:Space station altitude.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ahem... if you're at ground level, your own altitude is 1 earth radius.

    2. Re:Space station altitude.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, then my altitude is zero as is my distance to the earth.

      Do not confuse altitude with the distance to the center of the earth.

    3. Re:Space station altitude.... by marjancek · · Score: 3, Informative

      360km pretty much is when compared to 36,000km.

      360km (actually more like 400) is pretty little compared with earth's radius of over 6'000 kilometres

    4. Re:Space station altitude.... by kooky45 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's about 1 earth radius from the centre of the Earth.

  2. 23 feet, kinda small asteroid by esldude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I conjured up visions of a small asteroid that might have been a real big event if it collided. I am sure 23 feet in diameter would have made for a heck of a meteorite show. Thread to tremendous death and destruction on earth it isn't however. What is the official lower limit for an asteroid?

    1. Re:23 feet, kinda small asteroid by hey_popey · · Score: 2

      I realize I might have misunderstood you, but there does not seem to be a lower limit. An asteroid is a kind of meteorite if it resists impact on Earth

  3. 1 Earth radii by TheCreeep · · Score: 5, Informative

    Radius is the single, radii is the plural. When it's only one, we use the singular.
    1 kilometer, 1 liter, 1 metric fuckton. Or as people use across the pond, 1 miles, 1 gallon, 1 imperial fuckton.

    You don't say 1 kilometers, 1 liters and you don't say 1 radii either.
    Hence, it's 1 radius.

    1. Re:1 Earth radii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      s/miles/mile

      s/miles/:)
      (looks cute)

    2. Re:1 Earth radii by Razgorov+Prikazka · · Score: 2

      Hence it is 1 prius, 2 prii. On the other hand, it is 1 Wii, 2 Wius :-D

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  4. Units and news by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the asteroid was at a distance between the orbit of the space station (about 1 Earth radii) and geosynchronous satellites (about 6 Earth radii)."

    How dumb do you have to imagine your audience to create non-standard units on every piece of news?

    Also, with give such an imprecise distance as "between 6353km and 38118km"?

    At least speed came in km/s instead of Sheppeis per Tatum grid.

    1. Re:Units and news by MacTO · · Score: 3, Informative

      They use "non-standard units" to give the reader a mental picture of the near miss. It has nothing to do with perceived stupidity.

    2. Re:Units and news by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Speaking of which, how much would 17km/s be in Sheppeis per Tatum grid? Good old "units" doesn't know either of those units.

      Sheppey: A measure of distance equal to about 78 of a mile (1.4 km), defined as the closest distance at which sheep remain picturesque.

      Tatum Grid: the lowest regular pulse train that a listener intuitively infers from the timing of perceived musical events.

    3. Re:Units and news by Thanshin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They use "non-standard units" to give the reader a mental picture of the near miss. It has nothing to do with perceived stupidity.

      Ok. I used "stupidity" for "the inability of forming a mental picture for 10000 km".

    4. Re:Units and news by ongelovigehond · · Score: 2

      It is possible to be highly intelligent, yet not have the ability to make a good mental picture for 10000 km, especially if you don't know the size of the earth or the distance of various satellites orbiting it.

    5. Re:Units and news by ongelovigehond · · Score: 2

      Sure, 10000 km is 10000 km, everybody knows that. But to make a mental image, you need to put that in scale with the earth, moon and satellites. Knowing these sizes is just memorization of a bunch of trivia, often a sign of intelligence, but not always. I know a 6 year old kid who scored 135 on his IQ test, but failed the question about which day comes after Thursday.

    6. Re:Units and news by MacTO · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So do I get to choose a topic that is outside of your domain of knowledge, declare that any reasonable person should know it, then state that anyone who doesn't know it is stupid. Because that is pretty much what you're saying.

      Believe it or not, stuff like the radius of the earth, the length of the equator, or even the size of your own country is called trivia. Most people don't know them because they don't have an immediate bearing on their life. That doesn't make them stupid.

    7. Re:Units and news by Platinumrat · · Score: 4, Funny

      In New Zealand, the Sheppey is about 0.5m

    8. Re:Units and news by danhuby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the contrary, Earth radii is a useful unit when explaining how close something came to the earth. It helps to form a mental picture.

      For example, if you state that the moon is 384,400km from the earth, that doesn't really mean much - even if you know the diameter of the earth it's not as easy to form a mental picture as it is if you say that it is 62 Earth radii.

      Personally though I would have thought diameters would be better than radii? I.e. the moon is 31 Earth diameters (or simply 31 'Earths') away. (As a side note I think that is much further than most people would guess it is).

    9. Re:Units and news by Razgorov+Prikazka · · Score: 2

      I agree, every now and then newspapers write panic-stories on the lack of "general knowledge" of university students.
      Then one can read: 73% of university students dont know what is celebrated on Easter! Or: 81% of senior high-school students have no idea when the Battle of Waterloo was fought. Thing is, just as you say, that it is trivial for most people (including students).
      The moment that Theology students dont know what Easter is / history students dont know when the Battle of Waterloo was fought / The radius of the earth is unknown to geology students / the length of the equator is not known by geography students... then there might be something to worry about. And even then that is a mild worry. As long as they can accurately find the information, that is good enough for me.
      The rest is pub-quizz knowledge.

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    10. Re:Units and news by Teun · · Score: 2

      I thought this was a very acceptable way of presenting the relative distance of the occurrence.
      Those in the know can easily convert it to real measurements in their favourite units but for the layman the relative distance is probably easier to grasp.

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    11. Re:Units and news by EmagGeek · · Score: 2

      How many parsecs did it take to zip by the Earth, and how does that compare to the less than 12 Parsecs it took the Millennium Falcon to do the Kessel Run?

    12. Re:Units and news by Muad'Dave · · Score: 4, Informative

      Many sites that report on PHAs (Potentially Hazardous Asteroids) use LD, meaning Lunar Distance. That's pretty descriptive to the general public - "Wow that thing flew right between Earth and the Moon!". According to their archive, KT42 missed Earth by 0.05 LD and was #6 on the all-time closest flyby list.

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    13. Re:Units and news by AshtangiMan · · Score: 2

      Let's see which day comes after Thursday ... All of them?

    14. Re:Units and news by Thanshin · · Score: 2

      It depends on whether you order them chronologically or alphabetically.

    15. Re:Units and news by cyberchondriac · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know, let's ask Rebecca Black!

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  5. Don't get your hopes up... by WSOGMM · · Score: 2

    It was only 7 meters across. No impending doom this time folks.

  6. Near miss? Near hit, rather.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Near miss? Near hit, rather....

    1. Re:Near miss? Near hit, rather.... by KreAture · · Score: 2

      Yes, I wish they would stop using the term. Is is not just misleading and stupid, it's wrong too.
      A near miss relates to situations where chance played a role averting a disaster. Since this asteroid has been traveling on it's well-defined path and wil lcontinues to do so, modified ofcource by bodys it passes, it has nothing to do with chance and no ammount of butteryflys flapping their wings could have made it hit earth.
      It was rather:
      - a near hit
      - a narrow escape
      - a close encounter
      - a close call

      Since this was a case of moving objects the correct term is:
      - near collision

    2. Re:Near miss? Near hit, rather.... by CompComp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The asteroid missed. It didn't miss by by a large amount- it came near. It was a near miss. It didn't hit, so it wasn't a "near hit" or a "far hit".

    3. Re:Near miss? Near hit, rather.... by slasho81 · · Score: 2
    4. Re:Near miss? Near hit, rather.... by dogbert_2001 · · Score: 2

      You don't compare a near miss to a near hit. You compare a near miss to a FAR miss. Near is referring to distance. It is not being used as a synonym for "almost."

    5. Re:Near miss? Near hit, rather.... by martas · · Score: 2

      Yes, just like "near-death" means "he died, but almost didn't", right?

  7. Downloadable video by k(wi)r(kipedia) · · Score: 5, Informative
    I can't view anything in my Flash-free browser. After some searching I found what looks like a downloadable video of the asteroid flyby (56 MB). From the caption:

    The sixth closest asteroid encounter on record, the May 29 near-miss by the object catalogued as "2012 KT42", was tracked by the NASA Infrared Telescope Facility (IRTF) on Mauna Kea, Hawaii as it whizzed inside the orbital distance of Earth geosynchronous satellites (6.6 Earth radii or an altitude of 22,000 miles).

  8. Near Miss by erktrek · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's a phrase that apparently the airlines simply made up: near miss. They say that if 2 planes almost collide, it's a near miss. Bullshit, my friend. It's a near hit! A collision is a near miss.
    [WHAM! CRUNCH!]
    "Look, they nearly missed!"
    "Yes, but not quite.”

    George Carlin

  9. At ground level your altitude is zero. by Herve5 · · Score: 5, Informative

    And the space station is some *20 times* closer to Earth than an earth radius. I must say I stopped reading here too.

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  10. No it is not. by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Funny
    In Latin "Prius" is not a noun, and so radius/radii does not apply. Normal rules of English mean the plural of Prius the vehicle is Priuses. (And the plural of octopus is similarly octopuses; it is not a Latin word but the Greek "oktopous", and its Greek plural is oktopodes.)

    As the Latin tag says, "Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius" (those whom the Gods wish to destroy, they send mad thinking about the plural of Prius".

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  11. Re:Saw a meteor once. by RichMan · · Score: 2

    You should be able to see meteor on any night if you look long enough.

    Around August 12th the annual peak (Perseids) usually yields 1 visible meteor a minute to a keen observer.

    The Leonids (Nov 17) peak every 33 years at 1000 meteors and hour (16 a minute).

  12. I would rather NASA would catch a near-miss by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    If we are sending a manned mission to an asteroid, why not put a small unit on these asteroids, with carmera, drill, etc. and let it continue with the asteroid. The other idea would be to catch one and try to manuvuer it. By doing that, we can come up with ideas on how to take on one that will hit us, but also how to mine them.

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