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Iran Claims New Cyber Attack On Its Nuclear Plants, Blames US and Allies

judgecorp writes "Iran has reported that its nuclear facilities are under a sustained cyber attack which it blames on the U.S., UK and Israel. America and Israel created Stuxnet, and have been accused of starting the Flame worm." And once a country admits that it's created such software, publicly deflecting such blame gets a lot harder.

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  1. Oh, stop acting surprised, Iran by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm pretty sure you've figured out by now that the U.S. and Israel are trying to sabotage your nuclear program. If the numerous targeted computer viruses didn't clue you in, you must have at least noticed the dead bodies of your nuclear scientists starting to pile up.

    Don't you know there's a war on, son?

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    1. Re:Oh, stop acting surprised, Iran by trum4n · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why don't they just unplug their modems?

    2. Re:Oh, stop acting surprised, Iran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm pretty sure you've figured out by now that the U.S. and Israel are trying to sabotage your nuclear program. If the numerous targeted computer viruses didn't clue you in, you must have at least noticed the dead bodies of your nuclear scientists starting to pile up.

      I wonder how many of those scientists came to untimely ends due to the actions of our spies, and how many of them disappeared due to the actions of their spies.

      Now that the existence of these cyberweapons is out in the open, every time something actually goes wrong with Iran's programme, the first thing they'll do is assume sabotage and find someone to punish, even if it was just a routine fuckup. For bonus points, maybe in their paranoia, the Iranian secret police take out the very people who could have helped fix the bug.

      In turn, this makes their remaining engineers even more paranoid -- about each other, as much as they're afraid of both our spies and their own secret police.

      What makes these new targeted attacks intriguing is that while some of them are almost certainly aimed at Iran, some may not be. But that doesn't matter. It's like kids releasing four skunks into a high school as a senior prank -- after having spraypainted "1", "2", "3", and "5" on their backs.

      The more paranoid the organization, the more likely it is to tear itself apart finding a nonexistent saboteur. Looks like we might be due for another big old storm of chaos. (As a Westerner, I certainly hope so :)

    3. Re:Oh, stop acting surprised, Iran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You mean we should expect to be attacked by Iran?

      okay.jpg

      You really think civilian infrastructure is safe ? If the US can develop a software that targets vulnerabilities in industrial control systems, so can every other country. Mind you, what the US has done is an attack on a sovereign country. What do you think would happen if malwares started disrupting energy power plants, etc... in the US ?
      The US has opened pandora's box, and there is no going back. You can't control malware the same way you can try to control nuclear weapons. Just wait and see.

    4. Re:Oh, stop acting surprised, Iran by mr.mctibbs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fun speculation, but the news seems to have that covered already:

      http://www.salon.com/2012/02/10/israel_mek_and_state_sponsor_of_terror_groups/

      It appears that Israel is in fact using the MEK to assassinate these scientists. This is the same organization, by the way, that several US politicians are supporting openly, despite the organization being on our list of terrorist organizations. Looks like Israel's a state sponsor of terror. Who would have guessed?

    5. Re:Oh, stop acting surprised, Iran by BlueStrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You say that like you think that's not exactly what the US wants?

      All the cyber contractors have been itching for it for ages. The lobbyists are simply going to going to start to get a return on their investment.

      Cha ching!

      Yeah, it's all about job security for a bunch of government contractors.

      It couldn't possibly be to prevent Iran from detonating the first working nuke they can patch together in Jerusalem and setting off a horrible, and *nuclear*, conflict with millions dead, and plunge the world into chaos & war.

      Nah.

      Couldn't possibly be that. Even though Ahma-Nutjob has repeatedly and sincerely publicly promised to do just that.

      When do we start taking our enemy's repeatedly stated and plainly spoken basic intentions at face value? The world tends, for some strange reason, to want to ignore plain statements and intentions from such people and regimes. Germany was ignored in the 1930s as well.

      It feels almost like the 1930s again. Anti-Semitism is on the rise worldwide again, just as then. Jews are being portrayed as the evil behind all the world's woes again, just as then.

      History repeats itself. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like too many people are intelligent enough, or have been taught enough history, to see that the evil & hatred we had once defeated is rising again. Or they naively hope to benefit politically from the hatred, and so go all-in supporting it.

      Strat

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  2. ACs admit to cyber-espionage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    No one "officially" has admitted to Flames, Stuxnet, or otherwise. It's always some anonymous source, or former (apparently the current ones are too busy to give interviews) official.

    1. Re:ACs admit to cyber-espionage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      God, will people even read the articles they try to use as proof? In BOTH articles, it's stated that the articles is based on Sanger's Book. They are using the book as "proof of confirmation" in which case I can easily argue that it is NOT. Confirmation = Confirmation of the accused or hard proof. In both respects, the book is not either of these.

      Referencing a book by the person who first made the accusation, Confirmation from the person who first made the accusation? I think not...

  3. Oh noes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Your nuclear weapons program for enriching uranium was fucked up because of a computer virus.

    You know what DOESN'T need highly enriched uranium? CANDU and Throrium reactors. Gee, I wonder why Iran isn't interested in those, the only difference is that they can't be used to make nuclear weapons...

    1. Re:Oh noes by _merlin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, it's been shown that, at the least, CANDU reactors can be modified to produce weapons-grade plutonium. India got the plutonium for the bomb used in Operation Smiling Buddha from a modified CANDU reactor.

  4. Admits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Where has once have the government admit they created it? Both links are just basically from David Sanger and his book where the first link is an article by him and the 2nd link an adaptation of the story-line from his book (which they state at the very bottom of the article).

    I'd hardly call that the government admitting it when it's more like an accusation from someone with possible inside sources. Nowhere in any of these articles has there even been a comment made by the US government. If you are gonna report on something, at least put the correct viewpoint on it. All these "confirmation" articles are just articles respinning the story made by Sanger.

    As for it's validity, could be true, could be false. But i definitely don't like the way it's being told. It's more akin to being told a fantasy novel then an actual news report. They don't even have quotes from their sources stated specifically. The entire story is told in a mix of imagination and (possible) facts which aren't clear.

  5. And the UK! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Iran is such a great country, I love how they act like my country is still important.

  6. Oh, stop acting overloaded. by Ostracus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course, the easiest way to disrupt our network communications is still a well placed physical disruption.

    It's called a Slashdotting. Pioneered it, back in the day.

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  7. Re:Blame someone else for incompetance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Your computer could be at risk from infidels! Click here for Jihad!"

    Gets em every time.

  8. Re:Bad Idea? by Ostracus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How does one "meltdown" a centrifuge?

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  9. Re:Bad Idea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Isn't kind of a bad idea to deliberately mess up controlling computers in a nuclear plant?

    The only thing deliberately messed up were the speed controllers on the centrifuges which were enriching Uranium, and the 'messed up' meant that the speed would very subtly oscillate in speed to mess up the enrichment process.

    There is no part of that which could cause a meltdown.

  10. Re:Blame someone else for incompetance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    1) You are the dumbest person alive.
    2) No it doesn't.
    3) That doesn't matter at all.

    Here is how it works, try to pay attention. A device called a PLC is connected to a device called a drive via copper wires. The drive is connected to a motor, which is connected to a gearbox, which spins the centrifuge. The drive varies the frequency of the electricity going to the motor and thereby varies the speed at which the motor turns (and thus the centrifuge). The PLC contains ladder logic which governs the speed reference it sends to the drive. So, the PLC controls the speed at which the centrifuge turns.

    As it comes out of the box, the PLC contains no ladder logic at all. In order to control anything, one must load ladder logic into it. Now, here is where your stupidity prevents you from being qualified to jabber on about this: you can't load ladder logic into the PLC using QNX. You can''t develop the ladders on QNX. QNX cannot communicate with the PLC in any way at all except to read and write to its data tables using interfaces defined by the PLC vendor. In Stuxnet's case that was Siemens.

    The payload of Stuxnet was delivered during the above ladder logic development phase. They'd have sent a destructive speed reference to the centrifuge drives whether then supervisory software was QNX, or Wonderware on Windows, or Citect, or whatever else.