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A Look At the "Information Superhighway," As It Looked In 1985

jfruh writes "AT&T's video library is a treasure trove of future-looking films from the past, and this one is no exception. Combining what might be the first on-film use of the phrase 'information superhighway' with predictions of Siri-like services and sweet '80s computer graphics, this offers a valuable look at how close we came to our past's future."

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  1. Also recommended: Douglas Adam's Hyperland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://archive.org/details/DouglasAdams-Hyperland

  2. Sort of a let down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    For a video made in the 80s, there is a dearth of embarrassing haircuts and/or clothes.... Come on 1980s!

    1. Re:Sort of a let down by lorenlal · · Score: 2

      But they did manage to include that embarrassing quote "If cars advanced as much as computers." Of course, he neglected to mention the whole part about how "it would randomly stop working, we'd have to restart it, and we'd think it was totally acceptable."

    2. Re:Sort of a let down by EdIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ahhhh.. yes Windows 3.x. The reason the reset button was moved to the front of the machine.

      No seriously. It used to be a big red momentary switch on the back.

    3. Re:Sort of a let down by VMSBIGOT · · Score: 2

      Stupid side note to this; The startup screen was a .rle file that was on the install disks. When you ran setup it copied this file, along with the code section and the string file into Win.com. You could do the same with a "copy /b win.bin+win.str+winlogo.rle win.com" from a DOS prompt.

    4. Re:Sort of a let down by azalin · · Score: 3, Informative

      That trick could done through all 3.x versions. Create a .rle bitmap with the right size. Replace original file (prior or any time after installation) and you had your own custom startup logo.

    5. Re:Sort of a let down by cffrost · · Score: 2

      I don't remember exactly when the buttons migrated from the back to the front. The red push button at the back though is a very clear memory for me.

      The IBM PS/2 series desktops contained a steel rod which mechanically linked the front power switch to the switch on the PSU, which was still located at the rear of the chassis.

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    6. Re:Sort of a let down by Canazza · · Score: 2

      Worked in 98 too. Not sure if it worked on ME, but I'm fairly sure it worked on the older NT systems.

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    7. Re:Sort of a let down by Creepy · · Score: 2

      Definitely before Windows 3.1, I remember power and reset buttons just above giant TURBO buttons on some 386s, though my 386 didn't have either.

  3. Not bad, but they were dead wrong about one thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    They (AT&T, Xerox, IBM, and multinational companies of similar stature at the time) thought that the global information infrastructure would be centralized, monolithic and closed. Businesses and consumers would have to choose a provider that would provide the whole enchilada.

    This was the backdrop for Japan's Fifth Generation project (referenced by the AT&T video around 13:30) and was met with a certain amount of panic in the US at the time.

  4. The strange world of futurist by IgnitusBoyone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've always found it interesting, how projections get the basic concepts right, but they completely miss on the piratical implementation of things. In TNG everyone caries around a small computing pad, but they seem to keep several of them from different reports and do not have any internal communication systems unless they download from a master main frame

    Early on one of the interviews talks about full volumetric holographic displays by the end of the centuries, but ignores the middle ground of real time video transmission on existing displays. And the artistic renderings through out the video's keep displays as simple monochrome 13inch displays, because no one seems to imagine a high resolution color display, but they can predict the need for a network based communication network to transmit idea's.

    The basics of the video are valid and a good projection to modern times, but all of the interpretations of how it will be implemented show a limitation based on 1985's existing tech. You see this same limitation in the early 1950/1960's articles on the world of tomorrow.

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    1. Re:The strange world of futurist by FrankSchwab · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hardly ever do I see stationary machines doing useful work. Mostly what I see are moving machines engaged in meaningless activity that has no application in the real world

      Ever seen an NC mill, lathe, waterjet, etc?

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    2. Re:The strange world of futurist by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      hey completely miss on the piratical implementation of things

      Not sure if that typo was intentional or not, but you did hit on a big issue. The world of the future they envisioned was also one where they still controlled all content distribution.....They never really thought about the implications of people being able to store and transmit massive video libraries on their own....

    3. Re:The strange world of futurist by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Interesting

      then again, thank about designing a computer with display that would need to function for decades while everyone was in suspended animation, be rad & temp hardened, be absolutely robust and not fast or fancy. I can't imagine anything BUT a command line system with only sufficient res to make characters

    4. Re:The strange world of futurist by nickersonm · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's an excellent point - there seems to be a certain timeframe beyond which futurists fail to consider the implications of progressive implementation. On only slightly shorter timeframes, they can actually do quite well - for example, AT&T had a series of "You Will" ads in 1993 that were strangely accurate in predicting modern technology. Presumably it has something to do with extending an existing technology in a logical way rather than trying to determine the intermediate uses of new concepts.

    5. Re:The strange world of futurist by azalin · · Score: 2

      Are you only referring to household toys, or are we talking robots/machines in general? While I do admit that household robotics is mostly expensive toys (like the roomba) the amount of highly sophisticated and very useful robotics elsewhere is enormous.

    6. Re:The strange world of futurist by epine · · Score: 2

      It was assumed in many of the classic sci fi books that hard stuff, like calculations, would be done by hand while easy stuff like cleaning the house would be done by robots.

      In nearly 100% of these cases, the author was more invested in his success as a writer than his success as a futurist. You found this stuff sitting right beside accounts that were nowhere near this stupid. It's pretty hard to write a convincing story (that men will buy) where doing your own vacuuming helps you get laid.

      I read a fair amount of Arthur C. Clarke and never once tripped over a Roomba.

      I was there, and from where I sat, there was no confusion whatsoever between science based speculation and Gadget Boy, bachelor at large.

      My university had one of these early terminals on display in the main lobby of the math building. It updated the colour screen (extremely vivid, but not terribly detailed) at about the same speed as four elite Counterstrike players enrolled in a team Etch-a-Sketch competition. You could learn about the world faster flipping through the advertising supplement in the Yellow Pages. The machine was used for about 2 minutes an hour.

      It was with the introduction of the CDROM when I realized that the future of the information economy would never be the same again. The main hold-up seemed to be the lack of a decent display (megapixel with at least 8-bit colour). I severely underestimated how incremental distribution (the internet) was essential to content creation. The present-day en.Wikipedia could be condensed to 500MB and retain 90% of its utility (as a static reference). CDROMs would have sufficed as a distribution method. Was Encarta a reference work, or just a parental-wallet compatible way to promote multimedia, and yet more rounds of expensive hardware upgrades? I never looked at it, suspecting it was more of the later.

      It was plainly obvious how these technologies amplified information. It wasn't nearly so obvious how these technologies amplified collaboration. Ask any programmer who had just cashed a fat Y2K consulting cheque if they saw Wikipedia coming.

      Jetsons: Having stuff. Dominant corporation: Leviton.

      These days, some people worry if children can tell the difference between video violence and the real world. I assure you, in my childhood, I could already tell the difference between cartoons about the future and the future as it was likely to unfold.

    7. Re:The strange world of futurist by toygeek · · Score: 2

      You mean like the DCPU-16? Lets just hope everyone uses the same endians this time... http://0x10c.com/

  5. 1985 was a good year by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not mentioned was the first test run of the flux capacitor.

    Unfortunately, it was strapped to a DeLorean so it did not have a lot of credibility at the time.

  6. Where's China? by Amiga+Trombone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One thing stood out for me was that of all the nations discussed as possible competitors to the US, China wasn't even mentioned once. This was made less than 30 years ago. Just goes to show you how quickly the unexpected can happen.

    1. Re:Where's China? by LinuxInDallas · · Score: 2

      The 80s were Japan's rise. I don't recall hearing about China until the 90s.

    2. Re:Where's China? by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the 90's was Japan's fall. Oddly enough if the 2000's were China's rise, this decade will probably be China's fall.

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    3. Re:Where's China? by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thats already starting to happen, growth is slowing in China, who copied Japans economy right down to the bad debts. And just as in Japan, as long as the economy was growing fast the debts really didnt matter, but that era is coming to a close. China bulls are in for a rude awakening when they find out that China is, in fact, not made of magical economy elves that prevent the economy from ever shrinking.

    4. Re:Where's China? by azalin · · Score: 2

      I think you should really look up what Marx really wrote. Hint: It doesn't have that much in common with any of the real live communist regimes. Also what China labels itself and what China really does are not necessarily the same.

    5. Re:Where's China? by roman_mir · · Score: 2

      This decade will be the decade of the fall of the US dollar, fall of the Euro, fall of the concept of 'social contract' and ever greater rise of the economies that actually produce stuff and those who export energy, raw materials and agriculture products.

      China is already the dominant economy in the world today and it will only strengthen that position. Given what the choices are in USA and Europe for the leaders and given the fact what the understanding of economics and history is among the general population, USA and Europe will only be sliding further into poverty.

  7. Re:Not bad, but they were dead wrong about one thi by trdrstv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They (AT&T, Xerox, IBM, and multinational companies of similar stature at the time) thought that the global information infrastructure would be centralized, monolithic and closed. Businesses and consumers would have to choose a provider that would provide the whole enchilada.

    Not surprising. They figured "the internet" would be run like cable TV... hell Cable TV providers are still trying to make that happen.

  8. Telecommute by LinuxInDallas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The intro actually used the word telecommute when talking about how computers were in the home. Was that a word in common usage at the time? I was only 12 at the time banging out BASIC programs copied from magazines so I wouldn't recall lol.

  9. Reminds me of Ontario Science Centre circa 1975 by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Ontario Science Centre in the mid-1970s was wicked cool. The glimpses into the future were all there for you to touch and play with. (The Philips Coffee Machine was one of my favorites). Sadly, science museums have devolved into environmentalism and global warming preaching which by comparison is about as much fun as watching the organic, free-range, fair-trade grass grow.

    1. Re:Reminds me of Ontario Science Centre circa 1975 by hawguy · · Score: 2

      The Ontario Science Centre in the mid-1970s was wicked cool. The glimpses into the future were all there for you to touch and play with. (The Philips Coffee Machine was one of my favorites). Sadly, science museums have devolved into environmentalism and global warming preaching which by comparison is about as much fun as watching the organic, free-range, fair-trade grass grow.

      Check out the Miraikan in Tokyo, or the Exploratorium in San Francisco to see a Science Museum that doesn't hit you over the head with environmentalism. Just say away from the California Acadmy of Sciences in San Francisco since just about every exhibit in that museum talks about how whatever that exhibit is about is dying because of climate change.

    2. Re:Reminds me of Ontario Science Centre circa 1975 by Hatta · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sadly, science museums have devolved into environmentalism and global warming preaching which by comparison is about as much fun as watching the organic, free-range, fair-trade grass grow.

      Damn liberal scientists, always trying to save the world. Better to send your kids to a good conservative museum.

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  10. From another point of view... by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can films be used as prior art to invalidate patents?

    1. Re:From another point of view... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      Can films be used as prior art to invalidate patents?

      So if somebody invented the matter replicator right now you wouldn't think they'd deserve a patent on it?

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    2. Re:From another point of view... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      I apologize, accidentally clicked submit instead of preview. Here's the whole message:

      Why? Are you thinking that a technology like this would instantly fit within whatever an Art Director would design as a casing intended to be readable to a television audience?

      I really do wonder if anybody who thinks what they see on TV can invalidate a patent has ever seen what goes into making a show. Here's a hint: Nobody on 2001 held a prop that displayed anything like a an LCD screen does.

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    3. Re:From another point of view... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

      But can show the obviousness of an idea. It can show the patent has no novel idea. Would it actually carry the day in a court? I am not sure.

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  11. Re:Welcome to the Information Age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    We really didn't even get this until about 1995!

    Sure we did. I was here in the early 80's, and know people who were here in the late 70's.

    The AOL crowd showed up in the mid 90's and essentially destroyed the original internet culture. This was not an improvement.

  12. Re:Welcome to the Information Age by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 2, Insightful

    3K which was almost enough to pay for 4 years of university at the time.

  13. Re:AT & Whom? by sjames · · Score: 2

    It's simple, this was the distant future brought to you by AT&T Internet where all communications are approved by AT&T and their corporate buddies who pay big bux for the right to have a server. And not to worry, it'll all be done with short haul Frame Relay feeding into long haul SONET. All paid for in your monthly bill from AT&T. All safely in the hands of corporate America.

    And absolutely none of that crazy Communist Egalitarian peer2peer packet switching nonsense in sight!

  14. Where's Japan? by unixisc · · Score: 2

    The key question is whether Japan has as flaky a job base as the US? Yeah, it's tough for new entrants to get jobs, but once in, they don't fear losing it, except for performance related reasons. That, more than anything else, keeps their society stable.

    1. Re:Where's Japan? by wrook · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, Japan's immigration rules are extremely relaxed. For "engineers" (programmers qualify), if you have a degree and a job offer, you're good to go. The new rules even allow a 5 year visa which doesn't necessarily terminate if your job does. If you are a native English speaker (you have to have 12 years of education in the English Language), have a university degree and a job offer, you can teach English. Other categories exist for business owners, etc.

      I haven't looked at every country, but I think Japan is probably the easiest country to come and work in the G8. Why are there so few foreigners? Culturally it's hard if you are inflexible and you don't speak Japanese. Even though there are actually quite a few jobs available for English only speakers, Japanese culture is really linked to the language. I don't know how to explain it properly except that there is "inside" and there is "outside". If you only speak English (or Japanese poorly), you will always be "outside". Outside is sometimes kind of nice because nobody has any expectations of you. But similarly, you get few benefits. You're always the hanger on, never part of the in group.

      Even without language issues, many people have difficulty because Japan is an intensely moral culture. There are things that are absolutely morally right and absolutely morally wrong. The problem is that these things are often quite different than what is morally right and wrong in the west (especially the US, which is also a very moral culture). People from some certain cultures seem to have a great deal of difficulty dealing with Japanese ways of doing things. Not necessarily a bad thing, but not great if you want to live in Japan :-)

      Anyway, if you want to work in Japan, and have a university degree, you can do it. One last issue... The Japanese work system is really different. You get hired after university and you stay at your job forever. It's really hard to get a regular job if you aren't coming right out of school. It's nothing to do with immigration policies -- workers whose companies fold on them suffer too. This is why you get stuck in a "temp" job. It used to be that "temp" workers often got stuck with 1 year visas, which were renewed every march. If a company wanted to get rid of foreign workers, all they had to do was make it known that they didn't want to have the visas renewed and problem solved. But with the new system (starting next week, I think), they can no longer do that. Visas are 5 years and usually extend past the end of the job.

      The major downside for having a "temp" job is that usually you don't get paid a quarterly bonus or certain benefits. If you are a programmer, you can often negotiate these details. If you are a teacher, you can't and you will end up getting paid about half of what regular teachers get paid. However, the responsibilities are *much* less, so personally, I can't complain about it.

      Anyway, I live in Japan. I'm actually off abroad for a couple of years so that my wife can learn to speak English, but apart from that I'm here permanently. It's my home now. People here are friendly and welcoming of foreigners if you try hard to fit in.

    2. Re:Where's Japan? by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Shrinking population is bad in a country like Russia, where you have a huge area, but a shortage of a work force. Russia could really do w/ not just a slow, but even a rapid population growth - spread evenly from Moscow to the Bering Straight. A population of 1 billion could be comfortably fitted in that area.

      China, otoh, does have an young enough population (unlike Japan), although I read that they've relaxed the one child policy in a lot of places. But even if China had the Russian problem of a shrinkage in population, they can take it, since they're so over-populated. Same goes for India. As for Japan, it's not immigration that they need - as their older population dies out, the younger one will inevitably take its place. Only thing they need to be careful of is to retain the manufacturing that they have, and only have excess manufacturing in China.

  15. And in 1985 by Spy+Handler · · Score: 2

    quality of life was better. Kids actually went outside and played on a regular basis. Physically playing, not 3DS or iPad games... or facebooking each other on the "information superhighway".

    They rode bicycles without a helmet -- nanny state hadn't passed mandatory helmet laws for bicycles back then -- and didn't die! And no, 60% of kids weren't obese and didn't have diabetes back then.

    1. Re:And in 1985 by hawguy · · Score: 2

      quality of life was better. Kids actually went outside and played on a regular basis. Physically playing, not 3DS or iPad games... or facebooking each other on the "information superhighway".

      They rode bicycles without a helmet -- nanny state hadn't passed mandatory helmet laws for bicycles back then -- and didn't die! And no, 60% of kids weren't obese and didn't have diabetes back then.

      Actually, one of my friends in the early 80's fell off his bike and hit his head, and while he didn't die, he ended up spending a few days in the hospital (he was trying to show us how long he could ride a wheelie). He hit his head hard and lost consciousness.... there was a bloody spot under his head. Fortunately this was when neighbors actually knew each other, so the rest of us ran to the nearest neighbor's house (leaving him laying alone on the road!) and she called for help (but not 911 since that predated 911 in our town, most people in town had a bright orange sticker with the EMS number on their phone - something like "257-0257"). And many people still had to literally "dial" the phone.

      He suffered a serious concussion but escaped more serious injury. Had he been wearing a helmet it's likely that he would have just gotten back on his bike.

      I think bike helmet laws for children are a good thing and as an adult, I always wear my helmet on my bicycle and my motorcycle.

    2. Re:And in 1985 by Kjella · · Score: 2

      They rode bicycles without a helmet -- nanny state hadn't passed mandatory helmet laws for bicycles back then -- and didn't die!

      You can drive for many, many years without a seat belt too, until the day you come to a very sudden and brutal stop. Serious head trauma is not a "learning experience" but more of a maiming experience. Cuts, scrapes and bruises, a twisted ankle or a few broken bones are learning experiences and plenty painful enough, generally without the risk of long-term/permanent injury or death. Besides they are going to bang their head in lesser ways, according to my parents I did a good headbutt with the living room table as I came running and slipped.

      In general I would say it's better to throw them out the door with as much padding as you deem necessary than to let them sit inside without it. I know I'd be much more ready to let my kids get into traffic and go places on their own with a helmet than without one, so it's not limiting them it's liberating them. Your head is the most important asset you got and it's only going to be more important in the future, the need for warm bodies is growing less and less each day. If there's any part of the body you should take care of, it's that.

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  16. Look at this in context it makes sense by jsimon12 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1985 was only 1 year after the Ma Bell breakup and while the Macintosh was out IBM still dominated the PC business. So when you look at this in the context of the times it makes sense that they would think the network and infrastructure would be closed because that was the way things were during the time period. I am glad they aren't like that though I think with AT&T reformed and Apple controlling the whole experiance things might go back to the "Ma Bell" days :(

  17. Re:Al Gore was right on top of that! by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 2

    He was a congressman for 9 years prior to being elected to the Senate. He was boring the pants off everyone about the Internet since the 70s! The actual quote containing his infamous claim was:

    During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.

  18. Did anyone else notice...? by mianne · · Score: 2

    One thing they definitely got wrong in this production was the direction the earth rotates on its axis.

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  19. Re:Welcome to the Information Age by jhoegl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually AoL was/is a self contained network, so it wasnt really on the internet.
    It did provide a gateway to it, and when I was on it in 1993, I found out after a year that it wasnt the internet like I thought. Instead AoL was nothing but a controlled network with a filtered and censored gateway to the real internet.
    Then i got a real ISP and enjoyed freedom ever since.

  20. Re:IBM is the Information Age. by jimmydevice · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the early 80's, Intel was working on the IAPX432 object oriented processor. This was a secure, mainframe class architecture that was quite revolutionary.
    Unfortunately, It was also slower then anything else available and was killed. due to industry disinterest, Mostly Intel's
    Too bad Intel didn't later revisit that path when the technology allowed this kind of architecture to be implemented to it's full potential.
    We would probably be programming in Lisp or Smalltalk now and the web would be a totally different place.
    We will probably see ISA extensions that support those ideas in the future.

  21. Get Real! by gnu-sucks · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Alright, so let's say the example in the video took place today:

    Company 1 in Europe has an idea for a part and contacts Company 2 in America to produce it:

    1) Company 1 googles and finds the name of a company in America to produce the part. They call the American company and it takes two hours to wade through the phone system menus and leave several voice mails and wait for a reply.

    2) Company 1 can't give any details without a signed NDA, and because of requirements from the company's lawyers, the NDA has to be faxed over, signed, and faxed back.

    3) Once they agree to work together, company 1 wants to send company 2 a copy of the design.
    3a) The email bounces because it was typed wrong due to international spelling differences
    3b) Once the email stops bouncing, it is picked up by a spam filter and nobody ever sees it
    3c) Since the email had a large attachment, microsoft exchange choked and the server admin had to come in on the weekend and rebuild the databases
    3d) After that, Company 1 decides to just put the file on an internal FTP server.
    3e) Company 2 isn't able to use FTP in windows without downloading a program from the internet, which involves getting permission from the IT department, registering the program with the developer, convincing the anti-virus software to allow the ftp program to run, etc etc
    3f) The server at Company 1, an older machine not frequently used, isn't firewalled correctly by an unintelligent cisco firewall product, and fails to correctly open the reverse datastream. The files never arrive, as the connections hang.
    3g) Company 1 gives up and uses Dropbox.
    3h) The files arrive at Company 2, but they are also intercepted by some Russian and Chinese hackers that easily evesdropped into their dropbox using a script inserted several months ago to look for interesting keywords.

    4) Many months pass, and finally the prototypes are shipped over to Europe, where it is discovered, the Americans did not convert metric units to English units correctly for each portion of the project, and nothing screws together.

    5) The hacked data is leaked to the highest paying competitor.

    The other futuristic situation, about the doctor, is equally obnoxious these days if you factor in HIPPA, incompatible data formats, and even lower IT standards.

    Let's face it, this started off as a great idea and became something quite different.

  22. Re:Not bad, but they were dead wrong about one thi by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

    Of course, as computer scientists we can say with utter certainty that the scare tactics at the end of the film were utterly unnecessary: the claim that countries other than France had Minitel ('video terminals in the home') fell apart rapidly, and expert systems and knowledge inference, the messiahs of 80s AI research, utterly failed to amount to anything. Even the Japanese Fifth Generation Computer System flopped due to a lack of market. In retrospect it's obvious that the end of the video was corporate propaganda meant for government consumption; perhaps even amusingly so. (And a little sad that TFA calls it 'preaching'.)

    The US was so far ahead in educated population at that point in time that the risk was always close to nil, no matter what national posturing was made, and the proof is in the import/export business: of the manufacturers who sold and supported machines in the US, the only non-American company was Bull—and they inherited their product line from Honeywell, who had bought it from GE, who had co-developed some of their most important offerings with MIT. So much for 18% of the US computing market, Japan. (Unless they meant Nintendo? Or the razor-thin manufacturing margins? Or components?)

    Still, it's cute to think of the US and Canada as competing...

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  23. Re:AT & Whom? by sjames · · Score: 2

    It's truly amazing how much tech grew up around end-running the inability of the telecoms companies to do anything even slightly innovative or sensible. Because they couldn't pull their collective heads out of their asses and just implement ISDN in an affordable way, the modem developed from simple frequency shift keying to rather complex signal processing to trick the AtoD converters into encoding 56Kbps digital data onto a 64Kbps digital line passing through analog audio.

    To add insult to injury, the telcos are so incredibly bad at appropriate tech that it's cheaper to nail up digital connections over voice lines to form a digital network and THEN carry voice traffic over the digital layer than it is to use the voice lines directly for their intended purpose.

    The truly bizarre part is they had labs where actual innovative and clever things were done all the time but the business side had no ability to actually do anything useful with the tech.

  24. Re:Al Gore was right on top of that! by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 2

    No, it was more like "let there be money".

    It is just like how Steve Jobs didn't work in a Foxconn sweatshop building iPhones, and yet he still got the kudos for the product.

  25. Re:Welcome to the Information Age by LordLucless · · Score: 2

    It depends who the OP means by "we". I'm in Australia, and we didn't even get a connection into US ARPAnet until the early 1990s, and it was a satellite connection that served as the only outbound link for the entire country.

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  26. Re:Welcome to the Information Age by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2

    Hallo, me again.

    So it looks like I misfired the tone a little on my post. I was trying to capsule summary a couple of the big intersections in Microsoft's role in consumer computing on the net. Isn't that why MS had a Borg Gates icon for some 12 years? Instead I got a chain of insulting AC's. Oh well.

    All I meant was that in 1985 people my age were still playing games on their Commodore 64's, and we weren't aware of any way to get online for years later. 1995 was the iconic year of a new Win95 computer running Netscape.

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