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A Look At the "Information Superhighway," As It Looked In 1985

jfruh writes "AT&T's video library is a treasure trove of future-looking films from the past, and this one is no exception. Combining what might be the first on-film use of the phrase 'information superhighway' with predictions of Siri-like services and sweet '80s computer graphics, this offers a valuable look at how close we came to our past's future."

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  1. Also recommended: Douglas Adam's Hyperland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://archive.org/details/DouglasAdams-Hyperland

  2. Not bad, but they were dead wrong about one thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    They (AT&T, Xerox, IBM, and multinational companies of similar stature at the time) thought that the global information infrastructure would be centralized, monolithic and closed. Businesses and consumers would have to choose a provider that would provide the whole enchilada.

    This was the backdrop for Japan's Fifth Generation project (referenced by the AT&T video around 13:30) and was met with a certain amount of panic in the US at the time.

  3. The strange world of futurist by IgnitusBoyone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've always found it interesting, how projections get the basic concepts right, but they completely miss on the piratical implementation of things. In TNG everyone caries around a small computing pad, but they seem to keep several of them from different reports and do not have any internal communication systems unless they download from a master main frame

    Early on one of the interviews talks about full volumetric holographic displays by the end of the centuries, but ignores the middle ground of real time video transmission on existing displays. And the artistic renderings through out the video's keep displays as simple monochrome 13inch displays, because no one seems to imagine a high resolution color display, but they can predict the need for a network based communication network to transmit idea's.

    The basics of the video are valid and a good projection to modern times, but all of the interpretations of how it will be implemented show a limitation based on 1985's existing tech. You see this same limitation in the early 1950/1960's articles on the world of tomorrow.

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    1. Re:The strange world of futurist by FrankSchwab · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hardly ever do I see stationary machines doing useful work. Mostly what I see are moving machines engaged in meaningless activity that has no application in the real world

      Ever seen an NC mill, lathe, waterjet, etc?

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    2. Re:The strange world of futurist by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      hey completely miss on the piratical implementation of things

      Not sure if that typo was intentional or not, but you did hit on a big issue. The world of the future they envisioned was also one where they still controlled all content distribution.....They never really thought about the implications of people being able to store and transmit massive video libraries on their own....

    3. Re:The strange world of futurist by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Interesting

      then again, thank about designing a computer with display that would need to function for decades while everyone was in suspended animation, be rad & temp hardened, be absolutely robust and not fast or fancy. I can't imagine anything BUT a command line system with only sufficient res to make characters

    4. Re:The strange world of futurist by nickersonm · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's an excellent point - there seems to be a certain timeframe beyond which futurists fail to consider the implications of progressive implementation. On only slightly shorter timeframes, they can actually do quite well - for example, AT&T had a series of "You Will" ads in 1993 that were strangely accurate in predicting modern technology. Presumably it has something to do with extending an existing technology in a logical way rather than trying to determine the intermediate uses of new concepts.

  4. 1985 was a good year by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not mentioned was the first test run of the flux capacitor.

    Unfortunately, it was strapped to a DeLorean so it did not have a lot of credibility at the time.

  5. Where's China? by Amiga+Trombone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One thing stood out for me was that of all the nations discussed as possible competitors to the US, China wasn't even mentioned once. This was made less than 30 years ago. Just goes to show you how quickly the unexpected can happen.

    1. Re:Where's China? by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the 90's was Japan's fall. Oddly enough if the 2000's were China's rise, this decade will probably be China's fall.

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    2. Re:Where's China? by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thats already starting to happen, growth is slowing in China, who copied Japans economy right down to the bad debts. And just as in Japan, as long as the economy was growing fast the debts really didnt matter, but that era is coming to a close. China bulls are in for a rude awakening when they find out that China is, in fact, not made of magical economy elves that prevent the economy from ever shrinking.

  6. Re:Not bad, but they were dead wrong about one thi by trdrstv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They (AT&T, Xerox, IBM, and multinational companies of similar stature at the time) thought that the global information infrastructure would be centralized, monolithic and closed. Businesses and consumers would have to choose a provider that would provide the whole enchilada.

    Not surprising. They figured "the internet" would be run like cable TV... hell Cable TV providers are still trying to make that happen.

  7. Telecommute by LinuxInDallas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The intro actually used the word telecommute when talking about how computers were in the home. Was that a word in common usage at the time? I was only 12 at the time banging out BASIC programs copied from magazines so I wouldn't recall lol.

  8. Reminds me of Ontario Science Centre circa 1975 by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Ontario Science Centre in the mid-1970s was wicked cool. The glimpses into the future were all there for you to touch and play with. (The Philips Coffee Machine was one of my favorites). Sadly, science museums have devolved into environmentalism and global warming preaching which by comparison is about as much fun as watching the organic, free-range, fair-trade grass grow.

    1. Re:Reminds me of Ontario Science Centre circa 1975 by Hatta · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sadly, science museums have devolved into environmentalism and global warming preaching which by comparison is about as much fun as watching the organic, free-range, fair-trade grass grow.

      Damn liberal scientists, always trying to save the world. Better to send your kids to a good conservative museum.

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  9. From another point of view... by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can films be used as prior art to invalidate patents?

  10. Re:Sort of a let down by EdIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ahhhh.. yes Windows 3.x. The reason the reset button was moved to the front of the machine.

    No seriously. It used to be a big red momentary switch on the back.

  11. Re:Welcome to the Information Age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    We really didn't even get this until about 1995!

    Sure we did. I was here in the early 80's, and know people who were here in the late 70's.

    The AOL crowd showed up in the mid 90's and essentially destroyed the original internet culture. This was not an improvement.

  12. Look at this in context it makes sense by jsimon12 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1985 was only 1 year after the Ma Bell breakup and while the Macintosh was out IBM still dominated the PC business. So when you look at this in the context of the times it makes sense that they would think the network and infrastructure would be closed because that was the way things were during the time period. I am glad they aren't like that though I think with AT&T reformed and Apple controlling the whole experiance things might go back to the "Ma Bell" days :(

  13. Re:Welcome to the Information Age by jhoegl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually AoL was/is a self contained network, so it wasnt really on the internet.
    It did provide a gateway to it, and when I was on it in 1993, I found out after a year that it wasnt the internet like I thought. Instead AoL was nothing but a controlled network with a filtered and censored gateway to the real internet.
    Then i got a real ISP and enjoyed freedom ever since.

  14. Re:IBM is the Information Age. by jimmydevice · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the early 80's, Intel was working on the IAPX432 object oriented processor. This was a secure, mainframe class architecture that was quite revolutionary.
    Unfortunately, It was also slower then anything else available and was killed. due to industry disinterest, Mostly Intel's
    Too bad Intel didn't later revisit that path when the technology allowed this kind of architecture to be implemented to it's full potential.
    We would probably be programming in Lisp or Smalltalk now and the web would be a totally different place.
    We will probably see ISA extensions that support those ideas in the future.

  15. Get Real! by gnu-sucks · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Alright, so let's say the example in the video took place today:

    Company 1 in Europe has an idea for a part and contacts Company 2 in America to produce it:

    1) Company 1 googles and finds the name of a company in America to produce the part. They call the American company and it takes two hours to wade through the phone system menus and leave several voice mails and wait for a reply.

    2) Company 1 can't give any details without a signed NDA, and because of requirements from the company's lawyers, the NDA has to be faxed over, signed, and faxed back.

    3) Once they agree to work together, company 1 wants to send company 2 a copy of the design.
    3a) The email bounces because it was typed wrong due to international spelling differences
    3b) Once the email stops bouncing, it is picked up by a spam filter and nobody ever sees it
    3c) Since the email had a large attachment, microsoft exchange choked and the server admin had to come in on the weekend and rebuild the databases
    3d) After that, Company 1 decides to just put the file on an internal FTP server.
    3e) Company 2 isn't able to use FTP in windows without downloading a program from the internet, which involves getting permission from the IT department, registering the program with the developer, convincing the anti-virus software to allow the ftp program to run, etc etc
    3f) The server at Company 1, an older machine not frequently used, isn't firewalled correctly by an unintelligent cisco firewall product, and fails to correctly open the reverse datastream. The files never arrive, as the connections hang.
    3g) Company 1 gives up and uses Dropbox.
    3h) The files arrive at Company 2, but they are also intercepted by some Russian and Chinese hackers that easily evesdropped into their dropbox using a script inserted several months ago to look for interesting keywords.

    4) Many months pass, and finally the prototypes are shipped over to Europe, where it is discovered, the Americans did not convert metric units to English units correctly for each portion of the project, and nothing screws together.

    5) The hacked data is leaked to the highest paying competitor.

    The other futuristic situation, about the doctor, is equally obnoxious these days if you factor in HIPPA, incompatible data formats, and even lower IT standards.

    Let's face it, this started off as a great idea and became something quite different.

  16. Re:Sort of a let down by azalin · · Score: 3, Informative

    That trick could done through all 3.x versions. Create a .rle bitmap with the right size. Replace original file (prior or any time after installation) and you had your own custom startup logo.

  17. Re:Where's Japan? by wrook · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, Japan's immigration rules are extremely relaxed. For "engineers" (programmers qualify), if you have a degree and a job offer, you're good to go. The new rules even allow a 5 year visa which doesn't necessarily terminate if your job does. If you are a native English speaker (you have to have 12 years of education in the English Language), have a university degree and a job offer, you can teach English. Other categories exist for business owners, etc.

    I haven't looked at every country, but I think Japan is probably the easiest country to come and work in the G8. Why are there so few foreigners? Culturally it's hard if you are inflexible and you don't speak Japanese. Even though there are actually quite a few jobs available for English only speakers, Japanese culture is really linked to the language. I don't know how to explain it properly except that there is "inside" and there is "outside". If you only speak English (or Japanese poorly), you will always be "outside". Outside is sometimes kind of nice because nobody has any expectations of you. But similarly, you get few benefits. You're always the hanger on, never part of the in group.

    Even without language issues, many people have difficulty because Japan is an intensely moral culture. There are things that are absolutely morally right and absolutely morally wrong. The problem is that these things are often quite different than what is morally right and wrong in the west (especially the US, which is also a very moral culture). People from some certain cultures seem to have a great deal of difficulty dealing with Japanese ways of doing things. Not necessarily a bad thing, but not great if you want to live in Japan :-)

    Anyway, if you want to work in Japan, and have a university degree, you can do it. One last issue... The Japanese work system is really different. You get hired after university and you stay at your job forever. It's really hard to get a regular job if you aren't coming right out of school. It's nothing to do with immigration policies -- workers whose companies fold on them suffer too. This is why you get stuck in a "temp" job. It used to be that "temp" workers often got stuck with 1 year visas, which were renewed every march. If a company wanted to get rid of foreign workers, all they had to do was make it known that they didn't want to have the visas renewed and problem solved. But with the new system (starting next week, I think), they can no longer do that. Visas are 5 years and usually extend past the end of the job.

    The major downside for having a "temp" job is that usually you don't get paid a quarterly bonus or certain benefits. If you are a programmer, you can often negotiate these details. If you are a teacher, you can't and you will end up getting paid about half of what regular teachers get paid. However, the responsibilities are *much* less, so personally, I can't complain about it.

    Anyway, I live in Japan. I'm actually off abroad for a couple of years so that my wife can learn to speak English, but apart from that I'm here permanently. It's my home now. People here are friendly and welcoming of foreigners if you try hard to fit in.