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Google's Own Nexus Tablet Leaks Into the Wild

lukehopewell1 writes "Days out from Google's I/O conference, training documents have been issued to resellers all over the world detailing Google's new Nexus tablet. It's a 7-inch device with an optimized Tegra 3 chip inside and it's going to be the first device to run Jelly Bean, the new version of Android, that, among other notable features, will see Google manage device updates. The device will be priced at $US199 and is aimed as a direct competitor to Amazon's Kindle Fire."

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  1. Re:Hardware? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 5, Informative

    RTFA, they're not - the thing is to be manufactured by Asus.

  2. Re:Motorola? by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is made by ASUS.
    Google does not control when phones are moved from GB to ICS. They can only update Nexus devices. They will update those devices from ICS to JB.

  3. Sad... by mystikkman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sad that even Google is afraid to take on the iPad in it's territory. Almost all the 10" Android tablets have seen dismal sales, HP Touchpad was sold in a firesale,
    Playbook's having a tough time and Amazon and Google are forced to play in the sub $200 territory. All of these devices are oriented towards only consumption. Maybe Microsoft Surface will get traction by doubling as a device that you can actually do some light work on, but lets see what price it launches at.

    1. Re:Sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All tablets are "oriented towards consumption". You have neither a keyboard nor even a stylus; you have all the input capabilities of a kindergartner's finger-painting. The iPad is not an exception to this, despite the sweet-ass picture you made in that game of Draw Something.

      Most people are more or less okay with this and know what they're getting into when they buy the thing. When I buy a hamburger, I don't complain that it isn't steak.

    2. Re:Sad... by alen · · Score: 5, Funny

      you're a retart if you can't type on the ipad. I have Pages on mine and can type hundreds of works without any problem.

    3. Re:Sad... by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      you're a retart if you can't type on the ipad.

      Most awesome typo ever.

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    4. Re:Sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the thing is, they will fail against the Fire, too. People buy Fire because of Amazon, not Android.

    5. Re:Sad... by TummyX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When I buy a hamburger, I don't complain that it isn't steak.

      Exactly. When you buy a bicycle, don't complain it doesn't have A/C and triple exhaust!

      People who won't buy a tablet until it has a keyboard don't actually realise what they want is a normal notebook because they can't envision the use-case for a tablet (at least until they own a decent one).

    6. Re:Sad... by csumpi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The 7" form factor works great for me. The 16:9 aspect ratio also has benefits, I can fit the tablet into a pocket and it's nice for watching movies. I used to have an ipad, which I found too heavy and big to carry around.

    7. Re:Sad... by TummyX · · Score: 2

      Yeah I know. There's a market for tablet keyboards but I really think it distracts people from understanding what a tablet is best at doing. It should have the easy of a smart phone (just grab and use -- no setup, not desk, etc). If you're constantly changing its configuration it won't have the unmeasurable thing that makes using a tablet a pleasure IMHO.

      I'm a big fan of having multiple complementary devices. I do my data creation and productivity/developmennt work mostly on a notebook. I read/write emails, txts and browse the web on-the-move using my iPhone. I surf the web, watch videos and play games in my living room or bedroom on my iPad. They're all complementary devices and I would never think that one could completely replace the other since they're all physically very different sizes with very different performance characteristics.

    8. Re:Sad... by kanto · · Score: 5, Funny

      Whose!

      Sent from my IGimmick

    9. Re:Sad... by tripleevenfall · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think it is an issue of capability. You can watch movies on all these things. You can check email and surf and post on twitter.

      The problem is that there is no innovation going on here on the Android side. The Android devices all are trying to be "Well it's no an iWhatever, but it's good enough and it's a bit cheaper". Where is the 10" screen tablet at a similar price point and hardware specs? That's really all it would take, and yet we still have none.

      Now a few years later we have moved on from "meh" copies of Apple to trying to copy Amazon? This doesn't make any sense to me.

      People want an iPad with Android on it. That's all. It's really just that simple. Why shuffle the deck chairs? Give people what they want.

    10. Re:Sad... by SJHillman · · Score: 2

      The 7" form factor was the main reason I got the Nook Color... I think it's the ideal cross between big enough to play angry birds/draw shit/type on the virtual keyboard but small enough it can fit into the pockets of some of my pants or easily into my GF's purse. It's also a more comfortable weight for holding up for long periods of time (IE: in bed, where I use it a lot). I think half of the iPad's success is branding... the exact same device from any other company would probably not have met with nearly as much success due to the price, size and the fact that it's really not as convenient as a mobile device as slightly smaller form factors.

    11. Re:Sad... by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most awesome typo ever.

      It wasn't a typo.

      In other words: wooosh!

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    12. Re:Sad... by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The problem is that there is no innovation going on here on the Android side. The Android devices all are trying to be "Well it's no an iWhatever, but it's good enough and it's a bit cheaper".

      To which I say to you Asus Transformer. It's quite a bit better than an iPad on quite a lot of measures - faster, longer battery life, better build quality - and, with the addition of the clip-on keyboard, a useful replacement for a laptop for light office tasks and internet surfing. OK, it's more expensive than an iPad, but you're getting what you pay for.

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    13. Re:Sad... by nahdude812 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that there is no innovation going on here on the Android side. The Android devices all are trying to be "Well it's no an iWhatever, but it's good enough and it's a bit cheaper".

      I'm curious what you think innovation looks like. There's a dozen form factors with focus on various improvements such as better cameras, brighter screens, longer battery life, better performance, lower prices, detachable physical keyboards with their own supplemental battery supply, SD and MicroSD card slots, USB ports, dongle-less micro HDMI ports, and more.

      Where is the 10" screen tablet at a similar price point and hardware specs? That's really all it would take, and yet we still have none.

      Wait, so "innovation" in your mind is "the same thing only different"? That's not innovation, that's knockoff-ism. And you're not looking very hard if you haven't found an Android tablet that offers similar specs. Transformer Prime is the same price point, with added features, better battery life, better performance, thinner, lighter, and some interesting other bonuses. Also the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is so much the same thing that Apple has been suing Samsung over it.

      People want an iPad with Android on it. That's all. It's really just that simple. Why shuffle the deck chairs? Give people what they want.

      And they have it several times over, plus other options that try less to be an iPad and do a commendable job of being their own thing, often for a lot cheaper.

    14. Re:Sad... by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 2

      they may be able to make some inroads in the business market with the higher-end device

      What's the problem then with the current generation of Windows 7 tablets? Is Metro really better for business than Aero? I can think of a bunch of compelling reasons for using Windows 7 in a corporation over iOS, but in reality they aren't compelling enough. I don't see how Metro changes the equation.

  4. nVidia Tegra 3 - any source code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hmm, seeing as nVidia doesn't have such a great track record with releasing source code in general (for which they deservedly received the Linus' finger) and a quick Google reveals that devs are still waiting for Tegra 2 source code, I wonder what drove them to choose the Tegra 3 for a "Nexus" branded device, which supposedly would mean a "developer friendly" device with all the features and hackability that the Nexus devices have come to be known for.

  5. Going 7" is a smart choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    By going with a 7" device that has a relatively low price point Google is offering up a device that that people will buy IN ADDITION to owning an iPad, not INSTEAD of an iPad. Why compete directly against the iPad with your first iteration of a tablet?

  6. 16:9 screens on a tablet by Clueless+Nick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have an Android tablet, and I don't use Apple products, but I have come to believe that the 16:9 format is not that good for a tablet. For one, it is too short vertically in landscape format to accommodate an on screen keyboard and have a generous amount of viewing space available. If one wants to type with one hand while holding the tablet in the other, the keys on the sides also seem a bit too far away (my experience is with a 10" screen). In portrait mode, the keyboard gets a bit too narrow. The screen also seems to be a bit too narrow when reading books in portrait.

    On the other hand, I now find the 7" screen size to be much more handy, and probably the keys would not be too far away. Has anybody any idea about how easy or difficult it is to read books on such a screen?

    Another thing that has me wondering is the price tag: how can Google afford to sell the tablet for $199 / $249 with a Tegra 3 board, while Samsung charges around $800 (in India, where I live) for the Galaxy S III?

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    1. Re:16:9 screens on a tablet by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      Has anybody any idea about how easy or difficult it is to read books on such a screen?

      Nook Simple Touch and Kindle lines are 6". Nook Color and Tablet, along with the Kindle Fire are 7". I don't think screen size will be an issue at all.

      Screen type however is a personal preference. I don't have too much problem reading for some time with the LCD display on our Transformer, even in the dark. My wife prefers her Simple Touch with GlowLight over the Transformer.

    2. Re:16:9 screens on a tablet by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I own a Nook Color (7" screen) and have spent a lot of time with other people's iPads. I find the 7" to be more comfortable for reading in portrait mode. The 10" device the lines just feel a little on the long side. However, if you prefer larger text or reading in landscape (where it typically shows as two pages) then the larger form factor is more comfortable.

    3. Re:16:9 screens on a tablet by jaydub2001 · · Score: 2

      iPad fans will remark all day long that Android is a failure because there are no truly successful 10" tablets that compare to iPads. 7" tablets are casually dismissed as not being useful. This will all change of course once Apple releases a smaller form factor tablet at which time all the Apple fans will declare that finally a true 7" tablet has been released.

  7. Re:But will it run Linux? by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Informative

    All Google's Nexus devices have unlockable bootloaders, as they are designed partly for developers to play around with customizing Android.

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  8. Twice cooked tart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    That retart sound delicious - that is a twice cooked tart, no?

  9. Re:But will it run Linux? by Clueless+Nick · · Score: 2

    The real question is, will nVIDIA allow it to run Linux satisfactorily?

    Unlike the Harmony reference design on Tegra 2, for which it has stopped offering Linux (L4T - and Android driver) support, if the design Google chooses sells in large numbers, nVIDIA might be compelled to make specifications and drivers available for porting Linux on it.

    Which brings us to the next question: is Linux ready to work on a full touch environment, or will we be forced to carry a keyboard or a dock wherever we go?

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  10. Re:But will it run Linux? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    Linux is just a kernel. Some DE's are more touch ready than others.

    If you just want a typical linux distro type userland you can already use a chroot and vnc.

  11. Re:Motorola? by jareth-0205 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My Nexus One was orphaned at Gingerbeard. I mean, I understand the technical reasons why they couldn't fit Ice Cream Sammich on there (flash partitioning issue), but it's still irritating.

    The device is more than two years old now, though, so I guess it getting left behind isn't that unexpected.

    I'd prefer that than what I've seen from a serveral iPhone 3G owners now, an upgrade into uselessness. Their phones are so slow with the new OS that they are virtually unusable.

  12. Re:Motorola? (now, was Nokia) by SpzToid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At least you hopefully haven't bought a Nokia Lumia 900 that was just Osborned last week when Microsoft announced all current Win 7 phones on the market will not run Wp8 when it is released in the fall.

    This happened the same week that Elop let go his entire 'stealth' low-cost linux-for-emerging-markets-sans-Microsoft-License project. Gotta love the guy for consistency.

    But wait, current Lumia 900 owners will be able to enjoy a new Start Screen that sort of looks like a Windows 8 phone, although technically it will be known as 7.8.

    Personally I am pleased as punch with my Nokia N9 that looks like a Microsoft-enabled Lumia 900 but with better hardware specs, like 64gb RAM, front-facing camera that works with Google Talk, SIP, SSH/PGP, Firefox 13, flash, Swipe (OS and) keyboard, and also its own html5 browser. Contact integration (with Google using MailForExchange gateway) in the Notification area is awesome; weather is a nice touch. It is a keeper, and thank goodness it is also durable as Hell. SportsTracker w/ bluetooth is also very good.

    The Maemo guys are also supporting my N900 with regular OS updates, and the keyboard is solid. I'm invested for awhile, just sitting on the sidelines trying to get work done, (scripting via SSH FTW!).

    Elop could raise a lot of cash if he'd ever sell the N950 properly, but that would be inconsistent.

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  13. Jellybean by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 2

    Not really related to the story or actually important in any way, but I notice that the next Android is named "Jellybean". I wonder what comes after that. I'm hoping for Koeksister.

  14. Might pick one up! by CanEHdian · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is going to be very interesting when it gets officially introduced in Canada Q3 2014 for CAD 279.00

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    1. Re:Might pick one up! by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 2
      If I had mod points my friend.

      My wife just picked up an ASUS 7" for $199 and while it's nice and she's happy with it, the only reason she went with it was the Amazon Fire has large sections which refuse to work outside of the US. With it being Google-branded and not tied to US-centric companies (such as B&N & Amazon) I hope that it will just do it's thing anywhere on earth. Of course, by the time the Nexus gets to Canada she can buy it and I'll end up with her ASUS, and just flash the thing to JB anyway...

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  15. Re:Motorola? (now, was Nokia) by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Informative

    That is storage not RAM.

    Flash is not RAM.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N9
    Has 1GB of ram and 64GB of storage.

  16. What do you need the source code for? by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm being serious. What benefit will you get from having source code for a graphics CPU on an Android tablet?

    The only reason you need the drivers at all is to build a custom rom for the system, which I doubt Google is particularly eager to support. Not saying they want to stop you, I'm sure the system won't have a locked bootloader or anything stupid like that, but they don't have to waste time/money helping you either. Besides, you don't need the source for that, you just need a binary driver. Granted, last I checked nVidia hadn't released those for ICS, either...

    Anyway, the type of "developer" you're thinking of is not the one Google is worried about. They want people making apps for the Play Store, not custom rom images.

    Finally... Maybe, just maybe, they went with the nVidia chip because of the price/performance ratio?

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    1. Re:What do you need the source code for? by DrXym · · Score: 2
      Well you just said it - custom rom but also the possibility of porting things other than android to the device. And not just this device either but any using the same chipset. I'm sure there is information in the driver which is pertinent to people with older Tegra chipsets.

      While I wouldn't be militant about the source being there or not, there is no denying that a tablet which has it stands a far greater chance of becoming community supported when the official support goes than one which doesn't.

    2. Re:What do you need the source code for? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      Custom ROMs means longer-term support. My phone is officially up to 2.2 and has a semi-official developer-only 2.3 release. It supported by GyanogenMod 7.2, which is based on the latest 2.3.x series release. It will never get an official Android 4.x release. To be supported by CyanogenMod 9, based on Android 4.0, it needs updated drivers. The manufacturer has provided an updated driver blob, with no official support and no commitment to provide updates to it in the future.

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  17. Re:Motorola? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most apps are still written to be compatible with Android 2.2 (Gingerbread), as that's the lowest common denominator for a lot of devices in circulation. The issue isn't "users can't run the newest apps" it's rather "nobody is writing apps that take advantage of the nifty new features because then the apps won't run on everyone's phone".

    In fact, I'm struggling to think of any ICS-only apps; anyone know one off the top of their head?

  18. Re:Motorola? by tuncoglu · · Score: 2

    Chrome Beta

  19. Re:Rear facing camera please! by larry+bagina · · Score: 2

    The front-facing cameria is good for dick pics and crotch shots, so you have instant feedback and can get the most impressive angle. Not to mention facetime/video calls.

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  20. funny, my 6 year old kyocera flip phone by decora · · Score: 2

    still makes and receives calls as well as it did on day one.