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Two UK Lulzsec Suspects Plead Guilty To DDoS Charges

Posted by Unknown on from the next-stop-siberia dept.

judgecorp writes "Two teens have pleaded guilty to taking part in Lulzsec attacks on the U.S.'s CIA and Britain's SOCA. Ryan Cleary and Jake Davis, aged 19 and 18 respectively, admit to denial of service attacks. Cleary has also been charged in the U.S., but is unlikely to face extradition." However, "... both Cleary and Davis denied allegations they posted 'unlawfully obtained confidential computer data' to public websites including LulzSec.com, Pirate Bay, and PasteBin, in order to encourage offenses contrary to the Serious Crime Act." Two others involved pleaded not guilty to all charges.

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  1. Age by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I get the feeling that the bulk of Lulzsec will be about their age or lower.

    1. Re:Age by mtinsley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seems likely. Young and impressionable makes for good cannon fodder for those who are actually running the show.

    2. Re:Age by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They may even have just cherry picked the only ones they could find of legal age. I can't believe they only had evidence on two of them.

  2. Are they actually... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or are they just two of the many who were gullible enough to participate in a LOIC attack and are now presented as the big bad hackers since that's pretty much all we can get our hands at?

    Somehow it smells a bit like presenting a few street dealer busts as the big hit against drug cartels...

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    1. Re:Are they actually... by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      probably the real thing. i read the story and apparently they had some hacker .SH and .PL scripts on their computers that implicated them as masterminds in the plot to cause havoc on the foreign systems. Very likely they were the kingpins of this operation.

  3. Are they actually...unknown? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How could it be otherwise, since one of the points about such "anonymous" groups is that there is no leadership.

  4. DDoS is Hacking by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And making instant noodles is cooking.

    I can't believe their wasting their time to go after these teenage kids. There's plenty more where they came from, and ruining their future is only going to give the pro-lulzsec crowd ammunition. It's a really dumb move, and certainly not what I would do if I were the prosecution. Then again, I'm fairly my having a brain excludes me from being part of those clowns.

    What these people who do their best to take down groups like LulzSec, Anonymous, etc. don't understand is that you can't take them down. This isn't a militia, a terrorist organization, or a code monkey who wants to get back at the work that laid him off: this is an idea, and a very powerful one. Anonymous's very nature is that it is anyone and everyone, there is no centralized network. LulzSec does not elect presidents, and they do not have a chain of command.

    The idea is that individual liberty and the common good is important above all else. Censorship and tyranny stands in the way of this goal, and the only thing these companies are doing is adding fuel to the fire, by proving they're the very entities that need to be stopped.

    The only way anyone could possibly put this to an end is if they arrested and detained every free thinker, anyone who believe in liberty and the free exchange of information, and anyone who won't bend over backwards when Uncle Sam comes to violate our rights and freedoms. We have a word for that, it's called a dystopia.

    1. Re:DDoS is Hacking by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's just the classic intimidation method of law enforcement. You can't catch them all, so you just catch a couple, and them utterly destroy their lives in order to make a public example of them. Then that example serves to scare other potential criminals straight.

    2. Re:DDoS is Hacking by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Has that method ever worked in the history of mankind?

      Fear doesn't create compliance, just secrecy. And harm (physical or otherwise) doesn't only create fear, but also hate. So they are turning an existing enemy into a better hidden and more hateful enemy. What a fantastic result, they must be proud of their strategical prowess.

    3. Re:DDoS is Hacking by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't believe their wasting their time to go after these teenage kids. There's plenty more where they came from, and ruining their future is only going to give the pro-lulzsec crowd ammunition. (...) I'm fairly my having a brain excludes me from being part of those clowns. What these people who do their best to take down groups like LulzSec, Anonymous, etc. don't understand is that you can't take them down. This isn't a militia, a terrorist organization, or a code monkey who wants to get back at the work that laid him off: this is an idea, and a very powerful one.

      No, they're the same kind of rebel teenagers that used to do vandalism and tagging and in general rage against the machine when I grew up. They got no plan, no agenda except to strike out randomly and cause mayhem, with gang leaders shouting "let's flip that car" but little more than that, a mindless beast with zero attention span. Script kiddies and their wannabe groupies that would like to be script kiddies are exactly the same in online form, and I don't mind the police giving them a good slap and telling them to grow up. Go back to what you wrote, when did you last see very powerful clowns? Even when they do cause mayhem, they're still just clowns.

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    4. Re:DDoS is Hacking by Spy+Handler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Has that method ever worked in the history of mankind?

      Yes it has, actually. Many people I know would rob banks if they were sure police wouldn't bother to arrest them.

  5. Re:Hacking is not Cracking by ledow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't be a prat.

    "I didn't break into your house to get photos of your wife, you used a lock that wasn't compliant to British Standard BS3621 as required by most insurer's and I overpowered the only person in the house who was your granny. I just exploited your vulnerabilities."

    Sorry, can't do me for breaking-and-entering, criminal damage, theft, assault, copyright infringement, privacy invasion, ....

  6. Re:Parent is a moron by miknix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You seem to completely fail to understand how the mind of kinds work at that age. I'm no expert at psychology but this is plain obvious. Most of them are still in the process of developing their adulthood and when every adult around them seems to disagree with their thoughts, it is plain natural the kids start absorbing the thoughts from somewhere else which they identify with. In the streets, that person would probably be some group leader. Having that, then it is just hormones and the willing to impress others that makes them behave badly - because unfortunately, failing to respect others and destroying stuff is the easiest way to show that "you have the balls". THIS IS WHERE SOCIETY FAILS COMPLETELY.

    At this age, kids actually need some good leadership. Sport teams actually provide that up to some point, with an adult coach giving good directions to kids while agreeing and motivating them during the games. Hackerspaces are a good place to motivate and giving them good directions too. But we need way more than that. Schools need extra-curricular practical activities ....
    So this is were I disagree with you. We don't need to call the police when they behave badly, we don't need to marginalize them! We do need to impress them and grab their attention and only them, we can teach them a valuable lesson.