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Two UK Lulzsec Suspects Plead Guilty To DDoS Charges
judgecorp writes "Two teens have pleaded guilty to taking part in Lulzsec attacks on the U.S.'s CIA and Britain's SOCA. Ryan Cleary and Jake Davis, aged 19 and 18 respectively, admit to denial of service attacks. Cleary has also been charged in the U.S., but is unlikely to face extradition."
However, "... both Cleary and Davis denied allegations they posted 'unlawfully obtained confidential computer data' to public websites including LulzSec.com, Pirate Bay, and PasteBin, in order to encourage offenses contrary to the Serious Crime Act." Two others involved pleaded not guilty to all charges.
I get the feeling that the bulk of Lulzsec will be about their age or lower.
Or are they just two of the many who were gullible enough to participate in a LOIC attack and are now presented as the big bad hackers since that's pretty much all we can get our hands at?
Somehow it smells a bit like presenting a few street dealer busts as the big hit against drug cartels...
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How could it be otherwise, since one of the points about such "anonymous" groups is that there is no leadership.
Two teens have pleaded guilty to taking part in Lulzsec attacks
Since they have pleaded guilty, it has made the world a betterer place to live in. Double plus good.
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I can't believe their wasting their time to go after these teenage kids. There's plenty more where they came from, and ruining their future is only going to give the pro-lulzsec crowd ammunition. It's a really dumb move, and certainly not what I would do if I were the prosecution. Then again, I'm fairly my having a brain excludes me from being part of those clowns.
What these people who do their best to take down groups like LulzSec, Anonymous, etc. don't understand is that you can't take them down. This isn't a militia, a terrorist organization, or a code monkey who wants to get back at the work that laid him off: this is an idea, and a very powerful one. Anonymous's very nature is that it is anyone and everyone, there is no centralized network. LulzSec does not elect presidents, and they do not have a chain of command.
The idea is that individual liberty and the common good is important above all else. Censorship and tyranny stands in the way of this goal, and the only thing these companies are doing is adding fuel to the fire, by proving they're the very entities that need to be stopped.
The only way anyone could possibly put this to an end is if they arrested and detained every free thinker, anyone who believe in liberty and the free exchange of information, and anyone who won't bend over backwards when Uncle Sam comes to violate our rights and freedoms. We have a word for that, it's called a dystopia.
Don't be a prat.
"I didn't break into your house to get photos of your wife, you used a lock that wasn't compliant to British Standard BS3621 as required by most insurer's and I overpowered the only person in the house who was your granny. I just exploited your vulnerabilities."
Sorry, can't do me for breaking-and-entering, criminal damage, theft, assault, copyright infringement, privacy invasion, ....
18 is a legal adult. These aren't kids, and they knew what they were doing was wrong. They didn't care because, you know, the lulz.
Should the "real kingpins" be the ones in the dock? Sure. But in the meantime, should these people be held responsible for their actions? Yes, by all means. They were the strong preying on the weak, and if the law doesn't exist to prevent that, then what is its purpose?
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You seem to completely fail to understand how the mind of kinds work at that age. I'm no expert at psychology but this is plain obvious. Most of them are still in the process of developing their adulthood and when every adult around them seems to disagree with their thoughts, it is plain natural the kids start absorbing the thoughts from somewhere else which they identify with. In the streets, that person would probably be some group leader. Having that, then it is just hormones and the willing to impress others that makes them behave badly - because unfortunately, failing to respect others and destroying stuff is the easiest way to show that "you have the balls". THIS IS WHERE SOCIETY FAILS COMPLETELY.
At this age, kids actually need some good leadership. Sport teams actually provide that up to some point, with an adult coach giving good directions to kids while agreeing and motivating them during the games. Hackerspaces are a good place to motivate and giving them good directions too. But we need way more than that. Schools need extra-curricular practical activities ....
So this is were I disagree with you. We don't need to call the police when they behave badly, we don't need to marginalize them! We do need to impress them and grab their attention and only them, we can teach them a valuable lesson.
You seem to completely fail to understand how the mind of kinds work at that age. I'm no expert at psychology but this is plain obvious. Most of them are still in the process of developing their adulthood and when every adult around them seems to disagree with their thoughts, it is plain natural the kids start absorbing the thoughts from somewhere else which they identify with.
Who cares? It is "natural" for hungry predator to eat a human and yet we don't allow that. Those kids are going to live in society and they have to live by society standards, no matter how "unnatural" those standards are for them. They can either break and conform or spend their lives in place where they cannot be danger to others - prison.
In the streets, that person would probably be some group leader. Having that, then it is just hormones and the willing to impress others that makes them behave badly - because unfortunately, failing to respect others and destroying stuff is the easiest way to show that "you have the balls". THIS IS WHERE SOCIETY FAILS COMPLETELY.
The only failing I see here is that this kind of behaviour was not driven out of them earlier. Spare the rod, spoil the child.
At this age, kids actually need some good leadership. Sport teams actually provide that up to some point, with an adult coach giving good directions to kids while agreeing and motivating them during the games. Hackerspaces are a good place to motivate and giving them good directions too. But we need way more than that. Schools need extra-curricular practical activities ....
So this is were I disagree with you. We don't need to call the police when they behave badly, we don't need to marginalize them! We do need to impress them and grab their attention and only them, we can teach them a valuable lesson.
Yes, of course. Lets make hooliganism mainstream to avoid "marginalizing them". I am honestly sick of idea that indulging every whim of a spoiled brat is a way to raise a child. Actions have consequences, that's the lesson they should be taught.
uuuhaa! Talking about extreme! You do realize there is a learning process, kids don't turn into adults in one day? You cannot just dump social ethics and standards into them and expect them to learn!
'Turning into adult' is a slow process that starts at young age and is guided but constant pressure from parents to adapt to social norms. But many parents instead choose total leniency, 'let kids be kids' and then they are surprised when their precious snowflake gets completely unmanageable as teenager. Those "kids" from TFA are 18 and 19, they are adults in eyes of law and at this point they should be able to take responsibility for their actions. If they were allowed to stay kids for 18 years and only now they wake up and notice things like 'social ethics', then parents failed badly. And you suggest even more leniency?
You do know that the human learning process is based on trial-error, right?
Also, what would you do if someone told you when you were a kid that you cannot play GTA / Left 4 death anymore because it is too violent? Would you just STFU and obey?
Trial and error works only if there are consequences of error. Otherwise why don't just repeat the error?
It is because of this restriction / impose the rules nonsense mentality that you and a lot others have that we are getting the internet filtered.
Yawn, why don't you accuse me of stealing candy from little kids too? "Internet filter" is needed only for parents that try to push part of responsibility for raising their kids to state. And you should have noticed that I am all for responsibility.
Only a idiot hacks from his home or a place they can identify you from OR you get bloated and start letting people know who you are and you start boasting about your "sploits"
Hacking 101 stuff. Why are these kiddies not learning the golden rules?
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Their lives will forever be altered
Who's fault is that?
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At least in England they are old enough to buy a beer.
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