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While the U.S. and Iran Negotiate, War Commences In Cyberspace
An anonymous reader writes "A series of reports shows that the U.S. and Israel are engaged in a cyber war with Iran to stop it from developing nuclear weapons. Oddly enough, at the same time, the United States and others nations are trying to negotiate with Iran. As America and others start the world's first undeclared cyber-wars, dangerous precedents are being set that this type of warfare is without consequences. Such ideas could not be further from from truth."
. The U.S. had already been at war against Japan for several years, bombing & killing their soldiers in China
What? No. They had an oil embargo, but that was a peanut response to the occupation and attempted colonization of China, which America was nominal allies with.
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The Flying Tigers were not US Military -- they were a force of trained Pilots who volunteered their service to a non-US Military effort out of a personal interest and as such, took their lives into their own hands -- hence the Blood Chit that the Tigers had tacked to the back of their flight jackets since the US had no significant military presence in the theatre to perform rescue operations on downed pilots and any US forces present were engaged in civilian relief operations and humanitarian roles only.
So no -- the US was not at war with Japan prior to Pearl Harbor.
Exactly. They are negotiating. "War" involves shooting and death. Using it to describe sabotage is just hyperbole.
Hyperbole, yes, but not without a purpose. You could also call it fund-raising.
This is another example of a military-industrial complex ginning up a new theatre of operations in which to spend billions^W^Wdeploy.
Which side are you talking about? The military-industrial complex in Iran is easily tighter than in the USA. Besides that, Iran has people in power who are not above releasing election results in a spreadsheet which do not even add up, let alone reflect anything close to reality (I kept a copy after downloading it from the Irandian government site) Really, they have contempt enough for everybody. Negotiation only buys them more time. I think Israel gets this and that's why they're eager to launch an attack.
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Interesting comment. Let's talk about 9/11 then, what was the role of Afghanistan and why did the US bombed them ?
Funny, a quick browse of the threads shows a broad spectrum of opinion, civil discussion for the large part (minus one +5 about the US sticking its dick in the asses of every country in the world then invading when they retaliate), and a lot of facts and citations and interesting discussion.
Perhaps what you're trying to say is, "Not everyone agrees with me and this is horrible! Groupthink! Censorship!".
Bonus points: You called Iran a "3rd world theocracy". Do you know who made them into a theocracy by actively overthrowing the democratically elected, reasonably secular leader and installing hardline fundamentalists? I'll give you one guess.
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Going the DIY route for a complete software stack isn't a magic solution to hackers. It's damn hard to write secure software and expecting any organised group to rewrite all its own software from the ground up without introducing its own set of new security holes is ridiculous. Reinventing the wheel is wasteful and likely to produce an inferior wheel. Iran deciding to roll its own software from scratch would be a massive boon for the American and Israeli hackers.
Even if Iran were to choose to go down this path, its unlikely that they have enough qualified manpower to do the job. What you're suggesting is that Iran essentially creates something similar in scope to a Linux distro and a complete network infrastructure, except building the entire thing from scratch or known good components. Now imagine trying to do this with less manpower and no help from hardware manufacturers. It would take years to produce anything that is halfway usable and they'd still be introducing the same sorts of beginner's errors that the current designers have already made and fixed in their products.
>>>every time USA, France, Germany, anybody, tries to talk to the leadership in Iran they are met with a very disingenuous leadership who will talk round in circles
Source?
Last I heard Iran allowed UN inspection teams to enter the country and look at the labs. ALSO you seem to be unaware that Iran is allowed to develop nuclear capability under the terms of the Nonproliferation Treaty. It's not a crime for them to purify uranium below 29% purity. You appear to hate Iran simply because you were TOLD to hate Iran, without any logical reason for doing so. You're a "useful idiot" of the politicians.
Here's a source from only 4 months ago. Wasn't really that hard to find. Iran has often allowed inspection teams into the country, but not into specific labs, plants, etc. that are suspected of being used to enrich uranium to weapons-grade levels. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that they are being used for this, but Iran has definitely not allowed inspectors in to look at them.
The question of whether they should is a bit different.
Also, it's foolish to think that Iran is not pursuing a nuclear weapon. They feel targeted and trapped, much like North Korea. Did you argue that they weren't really doing anything too?
And disagreeing with Iran does not mean that one "hates" Iran, though your crassness more than communicates your dislike for the USA.
Parchin is a military site that is out of the jurisdiction of IAEA. It is the heart of Iran's Missile technology and hosts many production and test facilities. Iran has agreed and allowed inspection of this site twice already (2005 and 2006 IIRC), and says it will allow it again if ALL the complaints were to put on the table, all the evidence provided and the probable cause established, which has never been accepted by IAEA, because of demands of some member countries (which we know who they are).
Don't kid yourself. Iran is in full compliance with the NNPT. The issues being pressed by the west are to completely dismantle the Iranian nuclear program, which by now every well informed individual should have inferred. The reason this policy fails is because it is unrealistic and based on arrogance rather than international laws and treaties.