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Army Creates a Directed Lightning Bolt Weapon

Sparticus789 writes "Army researchers at Picatinny Labs in New Jersey have developed a prototype weapon which uses a directed lightning bolt to destroy vehicles and unexploded ordinance. The weapon works on the premise that 'A target, an enemy vehicle or even some types of unexploded ordnance, would be a better conductor than the ground it sits on.' Are we one step closer to C&C:Red Alert Tesla coils?"

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  1. lightning to stop cars ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does NOT work. the car would not be affected enough by that.

    1. Re:lightning to stop cars ? by Medievalist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Does NOT work. the car would not be affected enough by that.

      One of my cow-orkers had his car struck by lightning while he was crossing the railroad tracks on US Rt 9 by Old New Castle. This happened in front of multiple witnesses in the middle of a slightly overcast day with light rain on and off, but the car was reasonably dry at the time. The entire car was enveloped by a blue corona and the driver said the light and noise inside the car was terrifying.

      But nobody was harmed and the engine didn't even stop. The metal shell of the car completely protected it. It's unclear what would have happened if the radio had been on, but I'd expect a blown accessory fuse.

    2. Re:lightning to stop cars ? by X0563511 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not much on reading are you? That's exactly what this does.

      The lightning is guided in a laser-induced plasma channel, then it deviates from the channel when it gets close to the target and has a lower-resistance path to ground.

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  2. Resonant fields by hoboroadie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is what I got into science for.

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    1. Re:Resonant fields by qu33ksilver · · Score: 4, Funny

      So do we need Mjolnir for this ?

  3. it's "Ordnance" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ordinance = A piece of legislation enacted by a municipal authority; An authoritative order; a decree.
    Ordnance = Military weapons, ammunition, and equipment used with them.

    1. Re:it's "Ordnance" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Who says they're not going to destroy some legislation with this puppy?

    2. Re:it's "Ordnance" by Cosgrach · · Score: 4, Funny

      My guess is that they will first go after the Declaration of Independence.

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    3. Re:it's "Ordnance" by SirAdelaide · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to the internet, ordnance is "Origin: 1620–30; syncopated variant of ordinance". So ordnance is just a very old spelling mistake. The original is ordinance. Which suits both congress and war for the same reason; in both settings ordinance is used for shooting your enemy.

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    4. Re:it's "Ordnance" by geogob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It may be so, but in 2012 ordinance and ordnance have distinct definition and you should use one in the context of the other. This distinction is in use since the 15th century and has been accepted in every English dictionaries I know. But it is absolutely correct that some ordinance may cause more harm than some ordnance.

    5. Re:it's "Ordnance" by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      ordinance = has the potential to cause untold mayhem, destruction and loss of life
      ordnance = just an explosive ammunition

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  4. Bad summary and old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    What a terrible fucking summary. Also, this has been all over the web for nearly a week.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolaser

    It works by ionizing the air with a UV laser to create a path of lowered resistance for the arc to follow.

    1. Re:Bad summary and old news by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 4, Funny

      What a terrible fucking summary. Also, this has been all over the web for nearly a week.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolaser

      It works by ionizing the air with a UV laser to create a path of lowered resistance for the arc to follow.

      Yes and the headline stinks too, to be in any kind of sync with the usual /. hyperbole it should have been: "Army, inspired by id Soft's DOOM, creates it's own BFG9000!".

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  5. Oh god I want one! by spokenoise · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is my dream device. I have sat on my bike, in my car and had someone do something so stupid. Now I can fry the snot outa something and nothing left to say it was me!

  6. Skin Effect Anyone? by triffid_98 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With all apologies to Nikola and his 'Death Ray', wouldn't the skin effect of ultra high voltage used for these kind of arcs make this totally useless as a weapon? The bits you want to zap are inside the external metal casing. They are not the easiest path to ground, therefore they are not getting any significant juice.

    1. Re:Skin Effect Anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      With all apologies to Nikola and his 'Death Ray', wouldn't the skin effect of ultra high voltage used for these kind of arcs make this totally useless as a weapon? The bits you want to zap are inside the external metal casing. They are not the easiest path to ground, therefore they are not getting any significant juice.

      Only at high frequencies is the skin effect a notable factor, though it is present at a minor degree at lower frequencies. The proximity effect is more of a detractor anyway. Besides - actual lightning is pure electrostatic DC anyway, though the high speed of the pulse up/down state carries an AC component due to the changing magnetic field that results.

      So no, the skin effect would not turn any arbitrary casing into an alternate conductor unless HF is used. But if the target is surrounded by a dense gold shield rammed deep into the earth, they are safe from this weapon (though bullets not so much).

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  7. Darwin Awards by Circlotron · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm wondering who will be first to aim the laser at a storm cloud :-P

  8. They've been trying this for years by artor3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember seeing stories about the anti-vehicle/IED lightning gun back in 2007, maybe earlier. Every single time it comes up, it gets shot down as being utterly impractical. It can't stop vehicles reliably enough to warrant use in a life-or-death situation, and it's a laughably inefficient means of IED detonation (they need to be within arms reach of the bomb to do anything).

    And yet the story keeps coming back. I suspect some congressmen just feel that, like the laser plane, this weapon is too cool to give up on.

    1. Re:They've been trying this for years by a_hanso · · Score: 4, Funny

      Faraday cage. Check mate.

    2. Re:They've been trying this for years by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And yet the story keeps coming back.

      Yes, it comes back every time the research project funding comes up for renewal.

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    3. Re:They've been trying this for years by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lightning Weapon?
      Just stand stand where the weapon previously struck and you're virtually impervious.

  9. Not "Electrostatic DC" by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Informative
    If it is electrostatic it is not a direct current (hint: static=not moving, current = moving).

    Lightning normally consists of two pulses, one up and one down. The latter usually contains most of the current, but as it is a pulse with a rapidly rising leading edge, the EM field is considerable. The terms "AC" and "DC" do not really apply in this case.

    The significant thing is not so much the frequency spectrum of the pulse, but the actual cross section of the ionised region through which the current is passing. If this is relatively large, the current density is low and a Faraday cage is effective. If it is small, the current density may be so high that the actual resistance of the target becomes important; the heat generated may melt a hole in the target resulting in the penetration of ionised gas into the target and current flowing down it. This explains rare cases where a lightning rod has not sufficiently reduced the potential gradient over a building, and the first strike has blown a hole in one of the conductors and then perhaps jumped into the building and started a fire. (I have seen photos of this effect but not seen them anywhere on the net.)

    The idea of a target surrounded by a "dense gold shield" is just plain silly, by the way. All gold is dense...and a thick gold shield would be impracticably expensive. Copper is fine (higher melting point and greater thermal capacity than aluminum) but reinforced concrete with the rebar internally welded together would be much cheaper, more generally effective, and should easily be able to cope with the very limited power available from any human-built weapon.

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  10. Why on Earth a klystron? by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Interesting
    They are suitable for modulation (as in broadcast) but for straight microwaves a magnetron is your generator of choice. It really is so simple that when the first magnetron was taken from the UK to the US as part of WW2 technology exchange, the reaction of the American engineers was "It's just a diode and a magnet! Why didn't we think of that?" Apocryphally one engineer remarked "It's just an electronic dog whistle", to which another replied "Explain a dog whistle". However...

    Years ago a few of us playing with a 500W magnetron did manage to light a small bulb connected to a dipole a few meters away, and deflect the needle of an Avometer with a loop aerial at about 10M. But focussing is a pig, and your claims of knocking out wifi over a mile away with a poxy little 200W is nonsense. There is this thing called the inverse square law. You would be better off with a maser, but even so to do any damage you would need to keep the beam in the same place for quite some time, and with two moving vehicles this will be difficult. Vehicle electronics are rather well protected nowadays, and there are few points you could hit where the beam would transmit significant energy into the ECU. The ECU connections are protected with transient suppressors, and can normally withstand 28V for a while.

    You'd do much better with a high intensity cobalt-60 pulse source, but again getting the range without either killing yourself with radiation or having to transport the ass end of a nuclear sub around with you might prove difficult.

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  11. Re:The army's budget by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As Max Hastings (UK military historian) observes, the problem with the US military is that they imagine that a sufficiently large and advanced weapon will bring a war to an end quickly. The Manhattan project reinforced this mindset, although the conventional bombing of Japan was more lethal than the atom bombing, and it may merely have provided a pretext for the Emperor to rule that the war should end. Since WW2, the approach hasn't worked. But generals and military bureaucrats are always trying to fight the last big war over again.

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  12. Re:The army's budget by khallow · · Score: 4, Informative

    The surrender was already under negotiation.

    Not by anyone who had authority to surrender. Which makes it a pretty useless observation.