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Guild Wars 2 Release Date Announced

New submitter Woldry writes "After five years in development, Guild Wars 2 has been given a launch date: August 28, 2012. ArenaNet's aim is to provide 'a living, breathing online world that challenges convention, that's designed for fun instead of grind.' There's a beta weekend planned for July 20-22 for those who have pre-purchased the game (and for those who have gotten legitimate beta keys in advance)." Rock, Paper, Shotgun has a good write-up of some hands-on time during one of the earlier beta weekends, saying, 'Time after time, Guild Wars 2 impressed me with just how carefully no, how smartly everything has been thought out. Those things that annoy us in other games are simply banished here.'

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  1. WOOOOO! by samazon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unlike WoW, when this game sucks my boyfriend in, I'll actually be there playing with him. :D

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    1. Re:WOOOOO! by samazon · · Score: 4, Funny

      LOL the irony here is that the crafting (and cooking) is my favorite part of gw2 so far.

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    2. Re:WOOOOO! by Kalendraf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is the first game I've ever played where I've actually enjoyed the resource gathering and crafting. The resource gathering also encourages exploration.

    3. Re:WOOOOO! by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      GW2 doesn't have a monthly subscription model, so they don't need a time sink system as much as WoW did. That means they can actually make the crafting fun, rather than just laborious.

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  2. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Those things that annoy us in other games are simply banished here."

    There are no other people?

    1. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      not so you'd notice.

      by that i don't mean the servers are empty, quite the opposite, but the game is huge and more importantly, what others are doing has no negative impact (imo) on what you're doing.

      if you want, they're quite easily just NPC's which add to the world immersion.

    2. Re:Really? by stiggle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thats one of the things I liked about the original GuildWars - I could fill my party up with NPC and not have to deal with other people if I wanted to be anti-social. At other times I could get all my friends along too (before they left for LOTRO)

    3. Re:Really? by Nemyst · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I know you were going for a funny mod, but while they didn't actually remove everyone, they made them at least much less painful. You can mute chat and just about ignore everyone if you so desire, but even then they're more helpful than harmful. There's basically no way for an idiot to troll or block you from progressing. Anything they do at the very least helps them, in almost all cases also helps you.

      It's a brilliant system and one which removes much of the pain out of MMOs.

    4. Re:Really? by Creepy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They had to drop the secondary classes because it was too hard to play balance. In fact, now your weapon dictates your first 5 skills (out of, eventually, 10) and the skills on the weapons have to be unlocked first. This was, IMO, the only grind in the game though - I'd go back to a noob area, kill 40 weak monsters (10 for each skill on the weapon), and then return to harder areas. I did unlock quite a few weapons (and shields and offhands) - my goal for the betas was more to fiddle with play styles, classes, races, etc and see what I liked best, so I went more "broad than long" (highest level I attained in 3 betas was 22/80, and I played a LOT - probably would be 50 if I stuck to a single character).

      That said, I like combat in GW2 MUCH better than WoW and its wall of skills you never use. Elementalists don't really become fun until about level 12, however, but then are really fun, especially with a fully unlocked staff or wand/offhand and three skills (haven't gotten slots 4 or elite unlocked yet), or even daggers. They do look like they are wearing trashy bridal dresses, though (some people say hooker, but no hooker I've ever seen dressed like that - and yes, I used to see lots of hookers in one shitty neighborhood I lived in - I also was a working musician paying about $197/mo in rent). I had a blast playing an Engineer in the stress test yesterday and I didn't think I would like that class at all (level 1-9 with no deaths or fight for life was a first for me in any of the betas). Mesmer I still love, but it was last added and worst balanced, so haven't played much since the first beta. Created and deleted a ranger because pet AI was dumb and wanted to try other classes - rangers were favored by my guild yesterday and seem to be well liked now. Guardian was broken by a major change in the last beta, but wasn't too bad from L1-L5 (I deleted a bunch of characters since I only have 5 slots and wanted to try all 8 classes). Warrior can hit really hard, though I've played that least (level 3 - this is my TODO for beta 3), leaving that up to a guildie that loves warrior. Thief... well, I loved leveling from 1-7, but 8-12 was really hard, as neither pistols nor daggers seemed to cut it. My Engineer was dual pistol and rifle swap and that seemed ok yesterday, though. Necromancer was fun, but I decided at level 5 to save that one to focus on after release, though I may play him some more next beta.

  3. Fun and polished game by Necroman · · Score: 4, Informative

    I started seeing excitement about this late 2011, as Guild Wars 2 started to do its road show, demoing it at various conferences. There was a lot of hype behind GW2, but when they did their first Beta Weekend Event, it really blew me away.

    ArenaNet was smart and didn't show the game off to people (in beta form) until they felt it was really ready to show to the public. Their beta wasn't a place to test it while it was still alpha quality. Their beta events were there for people to experience the game, stress the servers, and test some of the more detailed mechanics that needed work.

    Even in the beta events, it's a well polished game with very few rough edges. All the classes feel unique, and have a lot of different play styles available to them (depending on how you equip/spec your character). It's really hard to describe a large MMO in just a few words (as there is so much content), but it is really worth giving it a try if you like MMOs.

    The biggest selling point that I've been using with friends is how they split up PvP. In the PvE (player vs environment/enemies), there is no fighting other players (pvp, player vs player). When I run around the PvE world, it is really one of the first games where I will help out random people. They did a great job to guide you into helping others. It really helps build a feeling of community within the PvE adventure.

    For PvP, it's all in an instanced area. So you never fight against people in the PvE world. They have 2 PvP modes. One is a battleground style PvP (much like they have in World of Warcraft with battlegrounds). These are quite fun. But then they have a persistant PvP zone (a massive zone at that), where 3 servers fight against each other for control of the areas. For people that played DAoC (dark age of Camelot), it feels much like the RvR in that.

    The story and lore of the universe is quite fun (I started reading up on GW1 lore, it's a pretty decent fantasy story). But it doesn't get too much in the way for people that don't want to take part in it.

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    1. Re:Fun and polished game by samazon · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I agree with all of the above except... the biggest selling point for me was the free-to-play.

      I was/am in the Secret World's closed beta (NDA was just lifted this week :D) and had waited for the game for months, practically peed on myself when I got into CB, and really enjoy the game. But I only JUST this week actually ordered the game, while I ordered GW2 before playing it at all (played the last beta weekend, found it more than a little enjoyable) - and it was because I'm happy to pay $60 to get a game that I might play for 10 hours (I suspect GW2 will surpass Civ by the end of the year in hours played, and I've got a little over 300 into that) but I'm less likely to BUY a game and also pay another $15 a month for access (as with TSW) even if it's a game I KNOW I enjoy and have waited for. Maybe that's a little silly, but the monthly fee (which, granted, is only equivalent to an hour in my paycheck) is still a sticking point, less because of the payment and more because it's yet another thing to worry/think/check my bank account over.

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  4. Re:Those things that annoy us in other games are s by Kalendraf · · Score: 3, Informative

    You should try it before judging.

    From a game design stand-point, a mana system is fundamentally a way to prevent players from activating too many skills too quickly...which is the same thing that cooldown timers do. However, cooldown timers don't force players to channel funds into a gold sink like mana potions, or waste inventory slots to carry them. Having played many games with mana pools, I find the cooldown system in GW2 to be vastly superior.

    Obviously, those players that really enjoy buying, carrying and quaffing mana potions may disagree.

  5. Re:shadow boxing didn't annoy them? by RivenAleem · · Score: 5, Informative

    Shadow boxing is that old nemesis of immersion, it is when your and your opponents moves do not synch up. When neither seems to respond to the other. WOW for all its faults does not suffer this.

    I'm sorry, but WHAT?

    The amount of times I've fought a dragon, or Ragnaros, in WoW and been hitting some piece of space between a circle drawn on the gound and the polygons of the creature I'm fighting are too numerous to count. How often have you heard "The boss has a huge hitbox" in WoW?

    Have a look at This Youtube video I made and you can see the 2 most annoying things I ever faced in the game. 1) My character being INSIDE the boss and 2) My character hitting the boss from a distance greater than the length of my weapons.

    WoW doesn't have shadowboxing? Don't make me laugh.

  6. Good primer for Guild Wars 2 by michal · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you want read good primer on Guild Wars 2, I would recommend checking this page: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1058358-Guild-Wars-2-Mass-info-for-the-uninitiated-READ-ME!

  7. Re:Well, Damn. by Kalendraf · · Score: 3, Informative

    A 4-year-old gaming rig should be able to handle it, but maybe not on the highest graphical settings. It plays pretty well on my 5-year-old laptop with the graphics set on low to medium.

  8. Re:Those things that annoy us in other games are s by Kalendraf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you activate skills the moment they cooldown, you will fail hard in this game. If anything, the cooldown system in GW2 actually requires more resource management to know when to best activate skills. Of all the RPGs I've played, I think GW2's skill system might be one of the easier ones to begin learning, but one of the hardest to master. In other words, it manages to appeal to both casual and hardcore gamers, which is no small feat.

    Also, each class plays distinctly differently. Abilities and play styles are very different between them. The fact each one has a heal skill doesn't alter this. Most heal skills have long cool downs, so you need to really stay alert and use them when you need them the most.

    As for the original GW's skill system, GW2's version is significantly different. You can still respec your character in GW2, but there are some costs to do certain kinds of changes.

  9. Re:Endgame by michal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Endgame starts at level 1. You are scaled down to whatever content level you are doing so it is always challenging. Unlike other mmo's where people rushing to end level to start playing, gw2 level 1-80 content is not designed as a filler.

  10. Re:SWTOR spoiled me rotten by Gaygirlie · · Score: 3, Informative

    Does GW2 have 100% spoken dialogs?

    No. The usual NPC chatter is mostly text-only, but all the story-mode chatter on the other hand is fully voiced. Ergo, you probably wouldn't be entirely satisfied, if you really are as picky about it as you claim. I hope this answers your question to your satisfaction.

  11. Re:Those things that annoy us in other games are s by BinarySolo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Elementalists do not have a weapon swap, due to their attunement mechanic. 4 attunements with 5 skills apiece = 20 skills, compared to standard classes who just have a weapon swap with 5 skills apiece for 10 skills. If eles also had a weapon swap, they'd have 40 weapon skills which would be obviously overpowered.

  12. Re:SWTOR spoiled me rotten by Shados · · Score: 4, Informative

    GW2's story telling is far better, with choices during your story quest that actually change the quest in a meaningful way (so 2 people of the same class/race who made the same choices during character creation, can still end up with a different main quest).

    As for the dialogue? GW2 has about the same percentage of REAL spoken dialog as SWTOR did. SWTOR just "cheated", and reused a ton of lines, and used alien dialog for the rest. That ended up being pretty annoying after the 15th time in a row you hear "The jedi way is to serve!" and "Dying wasn't in my agenda for today!" (the further in the game you got, the worse it got). In GW2 that stuff is text based. Still, the majority of the story driven content is spoken dialog, in about the same ratio.

  13. Re:Those things that annoy us in other games are s by BinarySolo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The difference in GW2 is that there are very few spells that just do pure damage. Most have secondary and sometimes very powerful effects attached to them, which means you will want to use them wisely and not just "as soon as your cooldown timer clears".

    For example, one spell may have a blind effect which causes your enemy's next attack to miss. Another may have a knockdown effect. Another might launch you forward while leaving a trail of fire in your wake. Hopefully it's obvious how this forces smart use of skills and not just whack-a-mole whatever's off cooldown.

    As a side note, I find mana to be a very bad resource system (large pool, slow/cumbersome to regenerate) and it seems to have stuck around only because it's "traditional". It is essentially unlimited in the short-term, and has a hard limit in the long-term, which means that in the heat of battle, you might as well not have a resource unless you are engaged in very long fights. And if you do run out of mana, it's a very unfun mechanic since there's basically nothing you can do except sit there and reflect on your character's poor life decisions that led to this point.

    Energy (small pool, fast-regenerating resource) seems like a much more interesting resource for forcing resource management, as it forces smart, controlled skill usage and heavily prohibits button mashing. However, a purely cooldown based system like GW2 basically creates the same thing.

  14. Re:Open beta? by qwe4rty · · Score: 3, Informative

    Almost true. There is a difference between pre-order (Amazon) and pre-purchase (buy.guildwars2.com). If you pre-purchase the game up front (money is paid), you can play in the next Beta Weekend Event. If you pre-order the game from a retailer like Amazon (who doesn't charge you until the game ships), then you will not have access to the BWE.

  15. Re:shadow boxing didn't annoy them? by Terrasque · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yep, it's much better in the real world, where you can only swing a sword or shoot a gun if it will hit a target.

    The fact that your char will still do the attack (but if nothing is in range do no damage) even with out of range target or no targets.... That's actually lovely. And helps making the game harder, in fact. When you got 15 second cooldown on your only slow spell, and miss with it because you were too far away just then.. And mobs can kill you in 5-10 seconds...

    Also, it lets you do and react to things without targeting first. That can buy you some valuable time :) Like a warrior ability that takes 0.5 seconds to "get going", but rape everything in front of you.. When the mob comes running, start it just before he's in range. Then he'll arrive just in time to feel the pain :D

    And to the weapons.. Most weapons have a specific goal. For warrior..

    2handers:
    Greatsword = Mobility, multiple targets
    Hammer = Control, single target
    Rifle = Single target ranged
    Longbow = AOE ranged

    1handers:
    Sword = Bleed, counter/interrupt
    Mace = Stun, counter/interrupt
    Shield = Block, stun
    Warhorn = Buffs/Debuffs
    Axe = AOE, vulnerability

    Which one of these is the One True Weapon? Depends a lot on what you're going to do, and your personal play style, if you ask me.

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