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A Maker Space Favorite: Using a Laser Cutter (Video)

Slashdot editor Jeff Boehm visted Maker Works in Ann Arbor, MI, where they not only have an Epilog Helix Laser Cutter/Engraver, but let him use it. Which, of course, he happily did, just as you or I would have done if somebody said, "Here. Borrow my laser cutter and engraving machine." The sound in the video is a little rough, since it was recorded live in a room full of loud machines -- like laser cutters. But it's still fascinating to watch (and hear) the process. The only downside is the "Ooh! I want one of those!" effect. There are used units available out there, but they cost as much as a pretty good used car. Maybe that's why there are so many Maker Spaces, also called Hacker Spaces, out there. Here's a global Hacker Space list. Hopefully, you'll find one near you, so you can do a little laser cutting (and lots of other neat stuff) yourself. Note: Slashdot accepts reader video submissions. Email robin at roblimo dot com for details.

83 comments

  1. cool by Moheeheeko · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I use a laser welder at work every day, its neat for the first month, then just another tool later.

    1. Re:cool by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 2

      Agree, like all tools.

      Have you seen the latest water jet cutters yet? Just as fast, if not faster, than the laser, but with pre-de-burred edges :-)

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    2. Re:cool by tsa · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I don't see what the fuss is about. We've had one for about 10 years at work so it's nothing new.

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    3. Re:cool by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 1

      Agree, like all tools.

      Except slashdot editors. They're never neat.

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  2. Who in the hell wants to watch the video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know I don't, don't have time for it at work, but I sure can read a transcript nice and fast.

    1. Re:Who in the hell wants to watch the video? by littlebigbot · · Score: 3, Informative

      I got you: In the video he uses a laser cutter.

    2. Re:Who in the hell wants to watch the video? by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Twice.

  3. News for nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stuff that matters.

    1. Re:News for nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jellybean On My Galaxy Nexus. I Has It. How Ya Like Mr Now , Butches?

    2. Re:News for nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently your spell check doesn't...

  4. Dallas Makerspace by BigSlowTarget · · Score: 1

    Dallas Makerspace has a laser cutter on site. It is almost certainly the most popular tool (outside of the internet connection which is terrible and will be until they put up the tower). Pretty easy to use too though using it does require a class.

  5. hackspace list /.ed already (google cache link) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wow, only 3 comments, and already it's unavailable. Here's a link to the google cache page:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XFtVgljXVTQJ:hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera

  6. Oh, come on... by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

    This is the video you're looking for.

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    1. Re:Oh, come on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please tell me that that thing has a hood with safety switches that they propped open just for this video. Who in their right mind makes a machine with a laser strong enough to cut through something and doesn't prevent the laser from firing unless there's absolutely no chance of laser light bouncing around the room?

    2. Re:Oh, come on... by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Oh, come on... by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Need a -1 "I do not need a nanny" moderation.

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    4. Re:Oh, come on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guy who made the video obviously does, or why does he turn the laser on before putting on the goggles?

    5. Re:Oh, come on... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Don't lase me, bro.

      See also: eye, remaining.

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  7. The Tick. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chairface approves of this video.

    1. Re:The Tick. by gmuslera · · Score: 2

      Goldfinger approves it too

  8. Yup, laser cutters are very cool by dbc · · Score: 4, Informative

    All the TechShops have laser cutters. They are very popular. Once you have access to a laser cutter, every problem starts looking like it can be solved by dicing up something thin and flat. That's not quite true, but acrylic and hardwood plywood both cut very nicely and can build some great things. The nice thing about laser cutters is there are zero fixturing problems -- just lay the material on the cutting bed and start the cutting program. You get exquisitely straight cuts and sub-millimeter precision, so assembly and glue up go very smoothly without any fiddling.

    Commercial laser cutters are pricey. Here is an open source cutter project that I have been watching, I'll probably build one of these when my current cutter craps out:
    http://labs.nortd.com/lasersaur/
    (I have an ancient laser cutter that is no longer support by the manufacturer -- when the tube goes, it's a paperweight, so I'm always looking for good options for when the fatal day arrives.)

    1. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps he is dumbing it down a bit for his audience?

    2. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by Khyber · · Score: 1, Informative

      Umm, anyone with half a brain would use millimeter. Most people don't know what microns are, yet the meter is the SI unit of distance.

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    3. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 1

      What makes it more obvious that he hasn't been even close to an engineering workshop is the use of "sub-millimeter", what a prawn.

      Half a thou. for roughing, a tenth for finished. Of an inch, natch.

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    4. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worth pointing out that you shouldn't go around cutting acrylics (or plastics in general) unless you've got a good extractor fan going. Nasty gases!

    5. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by johnny+cashed · · Score: 1

      I know what you're saying, but you mean a ten-thousandth. But in the shop I call them tenths too, as do most metal heads. And yes, I'm referring to inches as well.

    6. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not GP, but whats wrong with a millimeter? Do you usually use thousandths [of an inch]?

    7. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by dbc · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wow. So I can't say "sub-millimeter" without you deducting a dozen IQ points from me? Sheesh. The terminology I use depends on the tools I'm using. I talk thousandths when my work is in Imperial and I'm working on a Bridgeport or a CNC mill. I talk millimeters when I'm working on drawings dimension in millimeters, as I do with my laser cutter or 3D printer, or metric work on CNC. I'm an amateur machinist, and have written G-code (and other) CAM back ends. Professionally, I'm an electrical engineer -- when I worked in the semiconductor industry we talked in microns and nano-acres. So, I don't know what all machine tools you have used, and how many different fab technologies you have worked with, but unless you have 10+ years as a professional machinist, I doubt if the list is longer than mine.

      BTW TechShop (TM) is a reference to the chain of open-access workshops, not a generic reference to machine shops.

      I'll tell you this, I doubt if you are machinist -- I've met a lot of old time machinists, and they don't carry around your attitude. The more grey in the hair, the more modest they are -- there is always something to learn and machine tools keep you humble.

    8. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by dbc · · Score: 1

      Half a thou == roughing? Ha ha.

    9. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 1

      Water jet cutters.. Look it up.
      Prawn.

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    10. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by johnny+cashed · · Score: 1

      Who makes a water jet that can cut to ten-thousandth inch tolerance? I'm really curious about that one.

    11. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 1
      Multicam for one

      Machine Z-Axis Clearance: 10” Z-Axis Travel: 12” Resolution: .0001”

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    12. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by johnny+cashed · · Score: 2

      Don't confuse resolution with the actual ability to hold a tolerance. Looking at their web page, the water jets all seemed to be good to +/- .001" repeatability. The resolution on the encoder is good to .0001". This is not the same as cutting to ten-thousandths tolerance. Usually we are talking about grinding machines in the when one gets into "tenths" (.0001").

    13. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by Dishevel · · Score: 2

      I haven't done any machining in close to 20 years now.
      But what a thrill it was to program a heavy cut with a big end mill at high speed in just the right direction to spray hot aluminum chips at the operator on the
      big Fanuc next to my little Hurco.

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    14. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by agm · · Score: 2

      I have a home made CNC machine that drives a laminate trimmer (like a baby router). It seems like the things you can make are only limited by your imagination. The advantage of it over a laser cutter is that is will do 2.5D cutting, laser only does 2D. The downsides are many though: noisy, much slower, you can't "crash" a laser cutter, bits wear out, material fixturing. But you get to control the depth of cut which allows for some very nice finished results (pocketing, carving, facing off - not possible with a laser).

    15. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Don't the Brits use the standard system as well?

    16. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by triffid_98 · · Score: 1

      Looking at their web page, the water jets all seemed to be good to +/- .001" repeatability

      It's also much cheaper and has more cutting capacity.

      As cool as this is, 99.9% of prototypes won't need any more accuracy than that.

    17. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by geedubyoo · · Score: 1

      Surely all systems of measurement are standard? They wouldn't be much use if they weren't standardized!

      By law, Britain is a metric country, though I think that the pint and the mile are also legal. In practice, we are a hodge-podge of metric and Imperial. In my job I use metric exclusively, but I'll tell people that I'm 5'9" and weigh 11 stone (Brits weigh themselves in stones, rather than pounds). We buy petrol (gasoline) in litres, but measure fuel consumption in miles per gallon. We buy cola in litres, but beer in pints.

    18. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was that thrill coincidentally 20 years ago?

    19. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Speaking of grey, I'm thinking of making stuff that basically consists of small shapes of metal with grey-shade images/photos on them.

      How difficult and expensive is that to do, and what would be the best way to do it? What would be the limitations - e.g. effective DPI for X shades of grey (assuming that if dithering is used, then the effective DPI would be much lower than the laser DPI), and how many shades of grey?

      I've been looking for before and after pics with a grey scale from darkest grey to lightest grey. So far can't seem to find any.

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    20. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I'll tell people that I'm 5'9" and weigh 11 stone

      Cambo.

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    21. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      I live in Canada and yet, my scale is set to pounds. Everyone I know still describes their weight in pounds and height in feet/inches. Just the other day I had a European in my place who wanted to weigh herself in kgs. So I turned it over to switch to metric and saw that it had 3 settings. Pounds, Kilos and Stones. "Stones"??? who uses that? Ireland? Estonia?

    22. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But engineering is pretty much all metric. Screw threads are metric sizes, and you get funny looks if you start talking about measurements in mils.

    23. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UK.

      A stone is 14 pounds. I think I weigh 10 stone, because the last time I liked in the UK I did. I'm a little less skinny now...

    24. Re:Yup, laser cutters are very cool by hirschma · · Score: 1

      Hey DBC - in case you're still watching, i'd love to hear about your thoughts on the lasersaur. Email me at jonnyh at gmail dot com, if you'd be so kind.

  9. Techshops and Jesus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As dbc already mentioned.. all the TechShops (www.techshop.ws) have multiple cutters. The one in San Jose has a water jet cutting machine.. now THAT'S cool.

    These things work on food items too. In addition to cutting you can burn images onto your medium. I'm very tempted to burn images of Jesus onto toast and sell them on ebay.....

    1. Re:Techshops and Jesus by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Just heat up a Jesus figurine and use that to burn the image into toast.

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  10. Build your own! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Small, very low-cost CNC for milled circuit boards:
    http://makeyourbot.org/mantis9-1

    3D printer:
    http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page

    Desktop-sized to shop-sized CNC mills:
    http://www.buildyourcnc.com/

  11. Lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a Mitsubishi 4,000w laser cutter that's a lot more fun than this :)

  12. Full Spectrum 40W laser cutters for ~$2400 by kimgkimg · · Score: 1

    I was looking at these for a time. Seemed to be pretty good for the hobbiest. http://fslaser.com/

    1. Re:Full Spectrum 40W laser cutters for ~$2400 by mongus · · Score: 1

      I bought one of these last Friday and it was delivered on Monday. Lots of fun to play with!

      Fortunately for me, all the optics were still aligned when it arrived. Everything was in working order and the software is pretty good. Their printer driver makes sending jobs from Inkscape and CorelDRAW trivial.

      One thing to note - if you get the deluxe version the power is controlled by the software, not the knob on the front. If you hit the test fire button on the control panel instead of the one in the software you'll get a 100% power firing which will likely ignite the thermal paper you're using to check alignment..... Just in case you didn't read the paper that comes with it.

    2. Re:Full Spectrum 40W laser cutters for ~$2400 by Nova1313 · · Score: 2

      We have one (AllHandsActive.com - Ann Arbor, MI). Ours works slightly differently than what you said. The knob on the front limits it. The software limits it further. When running if we set ours to 15MW (on the knob) and set 50% power in software we get ~7.5MW read out on the gauge during the run.

      The software (RetinaEngrave) is pretty terrible. It does make multiple passes and splitting colors (different power/passes) easy, but alignment of raster and vector images is a pain. It also only seems to consistently open .XPS files and not any other file type you might commonly have. This means we have to open in another piece of software, print to XPS and load in RetinaEngrave to get a file we know works the way we expect. Not a huge deal but kind of annoying when we already have a vector image.

      Good machine though. Works well otherwise.

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  13. I have a dumb question by Daetrin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A laser cutter involved a laser strong enough to cut through metal. (Duh.) So what do you use to stop the laser once it goes through whatever you're trying to cut/drill? I presume there must be something at the other end designed to defocus and/or safely absorb the energy from the laser, i'm just curious what the exact method is.

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    1. Re:I have a dumb question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The material being cut doesn't just disappear, it forms a cloud of vapor in front of the beam. The very material itself is the stopper.

    2. Re:I have a dumb question by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 1

      Where does the light, from the lightbulb, go when you switch off the power?

      Made you think?

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    3. Re:I have a dumb question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Two things.
      - Most (all?) lasercuttesr don't cut metals. They only cut flammable materials since they need to burn the material away. Think plywood/plastic not metal.
      - The laser cose in the machine as a very wide (about 1 cm) bundle, and is focused on the cuttings surface with a lens. This focus needs to be quite good, if you put your material too high or low (i.e. outside the focal plane) you'll get bad cuts or even no cuts at all. Like trying to burn paper with a lens and sunlight.

    4. Re:I have a dumb question by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      So the laser refuses to fire unless the machine detects there's something in the way to be cut, and there's absolutely no backup in case it somehow does get fired while there's nothing in the target area or it happens to go just a little too long after it finishes cutting through the target? That doesn't seem especially likely.

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    5. Re:I have a dumb question by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      Ahh, i somehow had this vague notion that you couldn't focus a laser down to a point because running it through a lens would destroy the coherence. Thanks.

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    6. Re:I have a dumb question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The laser is focused on the material. The beam is automatically out of focus if it goes past where it was supposed to hit the material.

    7. Re:I have a dumb question by dbc · · Score: 1

      I presume you would put some kind of sacrificial material behind it and adjust power to cut through the work piece but not the sacrificial. I've only used long-wave CO2 lasers that aren't much use on metal since that wavelength reflects instead of absorbing.

    8. Re:I have a dumb question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It ends up being somewhat out of focus after the material, and the base you rest material on is usually made of pins, a number of sawtooth 'blades' or a honeycomb, so there's very little surface to cut.

  14. TechShop by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    Here in the SF Bay Area we have TechShop. I am a member. They all have laser cutters / engravers. They are a lot of fun to use.

    TechShop also has 3D printers, CNC mills, lathes, lots of wood working tools, welding equipment, and even sewing machines. Lots of great stuff.

  15. Fine, if you won't say it, I will. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sharks with lasers.

  16. In a past job by kilodelta · · Score: 2

    I had to replace the lasing cavity on a 150W CO2 Epilog Laser Cutter/Engraver. Seems this was an early model with no interlocks between the Laser and the chilling system. So one day our engraving guy forgot to turn on the chiller when he fired up a job on the Epilog. And poof! There went the lasing cavity.

    Pretty easy to replace I might add. It's almost as though Epilog EXPECTED stupidity.

    1. Re:In a past job by dbc · · Score: 2

      Well, actually all laser tubes have a limited lifetime. So they do have to be replaced after a few thousand hours even if operated correctly. The tube does have to be a FRU.

  17. Laser Tattoo by TheGinger · · Score: 1

    If you liked this video you'll love the ones of people using these sort of laser to give themselves tattoos, there are quite a few on youtube

  18. Amaaaaazing by formfeed · · Score: 2

    Laser cutters are soooo amaaaazing. All the cool kids have laser cutters now.

    With a laser cutter you can burn patterns out of plywood and assemble them. If you have a laser cutter you can even do advanced things like box joints.

    If you don't have a laser cutter and want to put your arduino in a plywood box, you have to order the cut plywood from a place that has a laser cutter.

    </sarcasm>

  19. Transcript - and about that "eyeballing"... by QuasiSteve · · Score: 2

    littlebigbot pretty much sums it right up, but here you go anyway.

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    Title: A Laser Cutter Demo
    Description: Slashdot editor Jeff Boehm visited Maker Works in Ann Arbor, MI, where they not only have an Epilog Helix Laser Cutter & Engraver, but let him use it.

    00:00 TITLE
    Slashdot Editor Jeff Boehm, as identified by titles, is shown standing in a room next to a piece of machinery.

    00:00 Jeff
    Over the past several months we've run videos of various Maker Spaces around the country, and several readers brought to us the request for a more granular look at how to get involved in a Maker community.
    To that end, I'm here at the MakerWorks at Ann Arbor, Michigan, to take a look at one of those ways.

    00:16 TITLE
    The view fades to the SlashdotTV title sequence reading "Using a Laser Cutter" before fading back out again to the view of Jeff Boehm.

    00:22 Jeff
    Standing next to me is the Epilog Laser Helix - it's a laser cutter and engraver, and it is one of the more interesting tools here at the MakerWorks.
    This tool has several things going for it.
    First, it can create a wide variety of very interesting designs on many types of materials, from metal to wood, paper, plastic - all sorts of things.
    Two, it is very easy to learn and operate.
    And three?
    Lasers(!)

    00:48 TITLE
    The view fades to a shot of the top of the engraver/cutter with Jeff pointing out its major components.

    00:48 Jeff
    The device itself is fairly straight-forward.
    You place the object you're cutting inside here, where the exhaust vent will create small suction, so for example paper won't blow away.
    The laser itself is in this little unit right here.
    It is automatically propelled on both the X and the Y axes by this large device.
    The control panel, here, is for zeroing it out and various other things.
    You send jobs to it much as you would a printer.

    01:19 TITLE
    The view changes to that of a computer screen with design software shown. Jeff interacts with its interface throughout this segment, working with a Star Wars/Rebel Alliance logo.

    01:19 Jeff
    Operating the software for this device is also very simple.
    To begin, just download any image from the internet, and then import it into the software you're using - in this case, it is Corel Draw.
    I think we're going to make a drink coaster out of this one, so let's resize this to something a little more manageable.
    Now, if we were just engraving, we would be done right here.
    But first we need to do one more step.
    Since coasters are circular, we need to do a circular cut.
    So I'll create a circle, tell it how wide and tall we want it to be, tell it where to center, and there - that looks like roughly the right shape.
    I can go here and scrunch it down just a little bit to make sure it fits better ... that looks about good.

    02:19 Jeff
    We'll also tell it we want it to be a hairline cut, rather than a cut of a particular thickness.
    This is what tells the device to actually do a cut.
    If you tell it to do a thicker line, it will try to just engrave.

    02:31 Jeff
    Once that's done, we do pretty much what we do with a regular drawing that we're trying to print.
    We go to the Print, and it will bring up a box saying that we're printing to the engraver, and we go to properties.

    02:45 TITLE
    The engraver's driver interface is shown with various engraving/cutting settings.

    02:45 Jeff
    This is where the engraver's driver comes in.
    We'll tell it what kind of DPI we want.
    This tells us whether we want to do "raster" or "vector" - that just means whether we want to engrave, or cut - since in this case we're doing both, we leave it on "combined".
    Now, we need to determine exactly what laser settings we need to use.

    03:07 TITLE
    The view fades to a shot of a large chart with various materials and engraving/cutting properties in a table revealing recommended engraver/cutter settings.

    03:08 Jeff
    This job is m

    1. Re:Transcript - and about that "eyeballing"... by tsa · · Score: 2

      Amazing. Don't you have work to do or something?

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    2. Re:Transcript - and about that "eyeballing"... by QuasiSteve · · Score: 2

      Didn't you have work or something* to do when you wrote that comment?

      *write, play adventure games, read, taking random and not-so-random photos

      For me, this is a pastime (and no, I'm not getting paid for it - unless I missed it and an e-mail fell down a deep black hole again) that helps me listen, type, and every once in a while actually learn something.

      In this particular video's case I had hoped the video would actually be about how to get involved with a Maker type place, rather than going to one and a very brief how-to on operating a laser cutter, but you can't have everything.

      And in case you're wondering - I'm writing this while colleagues take their smoke break. Amazing.

  20. Flash video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else find it amusing slashdot uses flash video player?

  21. Apply? by thegoldenear · · Score: 1

    Why do people insist on selecting Apply before choosing Print or OK?

    1. Re:Apply? by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      Because some dain-bramaged interfaces won't apply the changes unless you do and print/ok end up using the original settings. Once burned you get into the habit of doing it that way.

  22. Spelling out email address question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a reason for spelling out email addresses like "robin at roblimo dot com" instead of just saying robin@roblimo.com? I see this a lot and the only thing it seems to do is make it more difficult for one to copy and past the email address into a new message. Is there some reason for doing this that I am not seeing?

    If not why is it done so frequently? It just makes it more difficult to email that person. Why make your website less user friendly?

    1. Re:Spelling out email address question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't tell if trolling or really that stupid.

    2. Re:Spelling out email address question by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      Well. He's probably right without knowing it.

      At one time it may have tricked a web agent scraping for emails, but if you just have text like "joe at blow dot com" it is likely equivelent to having "joe@blow.com". I see no reason why one would be harder to match then the other in a regex. Its security by obscurity whos time has passed. Like trying to use leet passwords... ur only making it harder for those who really need to use it.

    3. Re:Spelling out email address question by lpq · · Score: 1

      So you can't not as easily program your scripts to harvest the addresses for your spamming.

  23. Green Lantern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, you're thinking like that dumb guy who had the Green Lantern ring who all the other superkids laughed at because he only ever used his funky ring to create clubs and big fists.

    You can use a laser cutter to make frickin' watch parts. Out of wood.

  24. i think i would like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    better than a tattoo

  25. Cheap 40W personal 'engraver' cutters - thoughts? by fr!th · · Score: 1

    eBay search for 'laser cutter' or 'laser engraver' always seems to turn up the cheap ~$700 ones in the list. Just wondering if anyone has ever tried one.

    Just thinking out loud, for some of us it might not be such a bad investment - if you aren't sure you will really get the $5k use out of a nice second hand one. Like getting a cheap battery drill to try the tech before splashing $500 on a 'tradesman quality' tool.

    I'm sure everyone will say the more expensive ones are 'better', but what I want to know is if the cheap ones are 'useable'.

    Any thoughts?