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Exxon CEO: Warming Happening, But Fears Overblown

Freshly Exhumed writes "In a speech Wednesday, ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson acknowledged that burning of fossil fuels is warming the planet, but said society will be able to adapt. The risks of oil and gas drilling are well understood and can be mitigated, he said. And dependence on other nations for oil is not a concern as long as access to supply is certain, he said. Tillerson blamed a public that is "illiterate" in science and math, a "lazy" press, and advocacy groups that "manufacture fear" for energy misconceptions in a speech at the Council on Foreign Relations."

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  1. C'mon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tillerson blamed a public that is "illiterate" in science and math, a "lazy" press

    Yes, the public is about as smart as a rock. But that doesn't mean you need to spin it. Desertification of wide swaths of land as well as the acidification of the oceans will be pretty hard to deal with.

    And dependence on other nations for oil is not a concern as long as access to supply is certain

    Not a concern for Exxon, he means.

    1. Re:C'mon by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed. We are now at the point in the anti-science strategy where you admit some minimalistic version of what the science is saying, but spin it so that the admission isn't a big deal.

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    2. Re:C'mon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The 1% should care because if recent history is a guide, anarchy tends to lead to communism. And communists like to put those of the 1% that they don't execute into labor camps.

    3. Re:C'mon by Schmorgluck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, Tillerson cleverly attacks the weakest part of research about climate change: the prospective part, about its consequences. Remember it was in that part of the IPCC report that there was reviewing issues.

      Since the hard sciences part turned out to be rock solid, staying in denial of it would have been disingenuous.

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    4. Re:C'mon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In other words, we're at stage two.
      (For the uninitiated:
      - In stage one we say nothing is going to happen.
      - Stage two, we say something may be about to happen, but we should do nothing about it.
      - In stage three, we say that maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we *can* do.
      - Stage four, we say maybe there was something we could have done, but it's too late now.)

    5. Re:C'mon by shibashaba · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Tillerson blamed a public that is "illiterate" in science and math, a "lazy" press Yes, the public is about as smart as a rock. But that doesn't mean you need to spin it. Desertification of wide swaths of land as well as the acidification of the oceans will be pretty hard to deal with.

      He may be right, but I'll bet he wonders why people hate oil companies universally with comments like this. It doesn't even sound like he tried to spin it, sounds like he was drunk.

      And dependence on other nations for oil is not a concern as long as access to supply is certain Not a concern for Exxon, he means.

      Of course it's not a concern for Exxon, when you have the US military, NATO and the UN as your personal mercenaries. Once again, sounds like he's drunk. How else could that be interpreted.

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    6. Re:C'mon by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Informative

      I like the bit about manafacturing fear, that's cute coming from a company that was politely asked to stop funding climate FUD by the Royal Society.

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    7. Re:C'mon by Schmorgluck · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The atmosphere is a chaotic system, but the climate configuration, is a general property of it. And it's perfectly possible to study the general properties of a chaotic system with good precision. You can predict the general properties of a quantity of water boiling in a pan, even if reliably predicting the trajectory of bubbles is out of reach.

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    8. Re:C'mon by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tillerson blamed a public that is "illiterate" in science and math, a "lazy" press

      The irony is the majority of people who are *literate* in science and math (including, what, about 95% of climate scientists?) agree that global warming is real and we need to do something about it. It's the scientifically illiterate who keep trying to claim (with their scientifically illiterate arguments, of course) that it's all a big conspiracy with no scientific support...

    9. Re:C'mon by kermidge · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "....society will be able to adapt."

      really means, "I've got mine. Screw everybody else."

    10. Re:C'mon by joocemann · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't take this speech lightly. T was given at the CFR, the think tank that is funded by conservative wealth and includes Bush Sr and ole Rumsfeld at the top.

      The CFR wrote a plan to invade Iraq in 1998 and pushed it through lobbies.

      Scary.

    11. Re:C'mon by sorak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      would it be cheaper to simply compensate the affected people

      It doesn't matter. Nobody has any intention of doing that. When a company pollutes an area, often its' biggest supporters are the people living in that area. They're just happy to have jobs. And if this ever get to disastrous levels, what are the odds that reparations will be paid to those who lost everything? What are the odds that this will be paid for by taxes/fines on the people who benefited most from causing the problem?

      and secondly would it crimp the economy so badly that no future development (e.g. electric cars, new power generation sources like solar etc.) could occur because all resources would be spent in prevention* and maintenance.

      Or would it make such development worthwhile? Alternate energies and new technologies have an uphill climb because they are having to fight against a well-established system with infrastructure and political clout on their side. If we had a reasonable system in place to require people to reduce emissions, then people would adopt newer technologies, the businesses that supply those technologies would grow, and they would have more money to research cheaper, more efficient production.

      Also not discussed by "advocates" is the fact that the CO2 we generate is at this point probably insignificant due to the developing world, and their increased output.

      That is a problem. It's hard for us to tell some third world country "now that we got ours, the rules are changing"

    12. Re:C'mon by tbannist · · Score: 4, Informative

      That article is completely untrustworthy, here's an article about the same study that doesn't ramble incoherently and use pejorative slang every other sentence.

      You might notice that the main point of the study has been distorted in the article you linked, only one group of people actually became more sceptical as their knowledge of science and math increased. That's "heirarchical individualists", or more plainly speaking they're capitalist libertarians. It's may even be more accurate to say that scientifically illiterate conservatives are not concerned as much about climate change because there are issues with how the study measured scientifically literate. The "higher levels" of scientific knowledge included such skill testing questions as "How long does it take the earth to rotate around the sun? A) 1 year, B) 1 month, C) 1 day", which if I remember correctly from the actual paper, only 34% of the responders were able to answer correctly.
      It seems that the bar "scientifically literate" seems to be set really, really low.

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    13. Re:C'mon by tbannist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You've got it pretty spot on. Although I think it's more like "As long as I don't have the pay the bills, why the hell should I care?". And that's the real message, humanity will adapt to the changes (barring genocidal wars) but society will pay the cost for Exxon's pollution. Anyone who doesn't like the bank bailouts should pay attention: Rex Tillerson just said "We're too big fail, the government will pay the Global Warming bills when they come due".

      They're planning on having tax payers cover the costs for their actions over the next two centuries. We're talking estimated costs of around 75 trillion (2012) dollars over the next 200 years (that covers us until oil, coal, and natural gas supplies are exhausted and the post-oil climate stabilizes) to adapt to climate change.

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  2. Standard PR by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Deny
    Undervalue impact
    Disassociate
    Imply fix.

    On the plus side,now that the CEO of Exxon has also said that the increase in temperatures over standard cycles i.e. Global Warming, is man made, I'm sure all you deniers will now apologize fro being wrong.

    haha, of course you want. You entrenched into an emotional opinion, so actual facts will never change you mind.

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    1. Re:Standard PR by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm sure they'll do the same thing the Creationists did with Evolution; admit to some very small degree that the theory is correct, but insist that theory only explains minor phenomena.

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    2. Re:Standard PR by multiben · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm sorry, but do you actually have a virgin mobile advertisement as your sig?

    3. Re:Standard PR by Zaelath · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'll just go ahead and cut/paste my last comment to this same misrepresentation by headlines:

      Headline should be: One of the smaller Antarctic shelves stable for 2 years, new field data show.

      It's large, by comparison to your backyard at 120x60 miles, but here's an illustration of how large it is compared to the entire Antarctic Ice Sheet:

      http://www.npolar.no/npcms/export/sites/np/images/ice/maps/Antarktisk-Fimbulisen.jpg

      It's an interesting data point, but it doesn't show "Antarctic ice shelves not melting at all" any more than "OMG it's farking cold this morning" shows that the planet is cooling.

      Comprehension; it's hard.

    4. Re:Standard PR by geekoid · · Score: 5, Informative

      Irrelevant to the current event.

      Why would you thing there can only be one reason?
      It's like saying someone can't be found guilty of murder because some different case has gone unsolved.

      FACTS:
      1) CO2 , among others, is a green house gas
      2) we put billions of tons of CO2 in the air
      3) the temperature change is no top of normal cycle
      4) every other other possible reason has been shut down.
      5) the organisations the it will hurt the most are agreeing with the evidence.

      Never, ever, ever quote something from the register. For or against, it's a horrible rag .

      No model is perfect. But looking at the whole scope of events and denying them because of events like these is stupid. In fact, it's the very base of cognitive dissonance.

      Did you read the study? I assume not because then you would know how stupid it is to quote the article.

      Explain to me how this means there isn't man made global warming:
      ~~
      The mechanisms by which heat is delivered to Antarctic ice shelves are a major source of uncertainty when assessing the response of the Antarctic ice sheet to climate change. Direct observations of the ice shelf-ocean interaction are extremely scarce, and present ice shelf-ocean models struggle to predict reason able melt rates. Our two years of data during 2010-2012 from three oceanic moorings below the Fimbul Ice Shelf in the eastern Weddell Sea show cold cavity waters, with average temperatures of less than 0.1 {degree sign}C above the surface freezing point. This suggests rather low basal melt rates, consistent with remote sensing based, steady state mass balance estimates in this sector of the Antarctic coast. Oceanic heat for basal melting is found to be sup-plied by two sources of warm water that enter below the ice: (i) eddy-like bursts of Modified Warm Deep Water accesses the cavity at depth during eight months of the record; and (ii) a seasonal inflow of warm, fresh surface water flushes parts of the ice base with temperatures above freezing, during late summer and fall. This interplay of processes implies that basal melting cannot simply be parameterized by coastal deep ocean temperatures, but is directly linked to both solar forcing at the surface as well as to coastal processes controlling deep ocean heat fluxes.
      ~~
      Cherry picking data is bad, but cherry picking wrong data is .. simply stupid.
      lower then expected is not 'flat wrong'.

      Do you even understand what a model it?

      Lets be clear about that letter:
      1) Melting not as fast.
      2) In no way throws gloabale warming out the window.

      " block them from your mind"
      fuck you and your LOL.

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    5. Re:Standard PR by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes it's a fact that nobody has a good ice cap model. Simarly nobody has a solution to the N-body problem, so does that mean the theory of gravity is wrong?

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    6. Re:Standard PR by Cali+Thalen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      4) every other other possible reason has been shut down.

      Citation needed?

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    7. Re:Standard PR by Schmorgluck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So you are pretending that deforestation has been reversed? I didn't get the memo.

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  3. Here it comes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The natural progression:

    1. There is no such thing as global warming!
    2. Global warming is theoretically possible, but it's not happening.
    3. Global warming is happening, but it's no big deal.
    4. Ok, we should probably do something about this global warming before it gets worse.
    5. We're really f*cked now.

    1. Re:Here it comes by NoKaOi · · Score: 3, Funny

      2.5. Global warming is happening, but humans couldn't possibly have anything to do with it.
      3. Global warming is happening, and humans are causing it, but it's no big deal and we'll adapt. The serfs can either grow flippers or move to higher ground. And we can burn even more fossil fuel to generate electricity for air conditioning!

    2. Re:Here it comes by formfeed · · Score: 3, Funny

      The natural progression:

      Not really. They are playing it more like this:

      1. There is no such thing as global warming!

      2. Something is happening, but it is a good thing. (i.e. CO2 is life)

      3. Global warming is happening, but it is a good thing (i.e. Warming helps plants grow and therefor our food supply.)

      4. Global warming is happening, but it's no big deal

      - and we're working on cool technology that will solve all the problems [and make us rich] (sequestering, artificial trees,..)

      5. Our company has always been at the forefront in the fight against global warming.

  4. So... by ayvee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apparently we're past denial and anger, and are now in the middle of bargaining.

    This is going to get rough. Before we get to acceptance, we have depression to go through first.

    Ahem, sorry. I meant Fr1st!!!!

  5. Amazing! by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The CEO of an oil company tells us that burning oil isn't such a big problem! Well, I guess we can all stop worrying about that then.

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  6. typology of global warming denial by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Informative


    We're actually entering an Ice Age.

    Global warming isn't happening.

    It's happening, but we didn't cause it.

    It's happening, and we're causing it, but there's nothing we can do about it.

    It's happening, and we're causing it, but there's nothing we can do about it at a price we're willing to pay.

    We don't know what's going to happen, so we need to wait until more evidence is in.

    The first few are often accompanied by:

    It's just a liberal plot to destroy industry

    (as if offshoring hasn't already destroyed it).

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  7. Adaptation... by dex22 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The coral reefs off Australia and New Zealand announced their Climate Transition Plans in Adelaide, Thursday. The reefs, known for their outstanding beauty and fragile ecosystems, have decided to move further south. They announced their plans, which involve a 600 mile hike, as Rex Tillerson, the ExxonMobil CEO, announced plans to survey the ground they abandoned each year for new oil and gas fields.

  8. No, no, no! by StefanJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    4. Huh . . . well, look at that. Hurricanes in January. Hey, this is not a time to play the blame game. No one could have foreseen this would happen.
    5. Something must be done. Level headed people like us. Introducing Exxon Atmospheric Engineering Associates.
    6. OK, that didn't work. But hey, neon green sunsets . . . cool!
    7. Look you'all knew for decades that our product could lead to this, but you CHOSE to ignore the warnings by scientists rather than taking responsibility and choosing to use renewable energy. We were just selling a product people wanted and freely chose to use.

  9. relocation by Phoenix666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can we relocate this guy's mouth to 1 inch above sea level? If sea level remains the same, he has nothing to worry about. If not, well, the world will be less one asshole.

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  10. ExxonMobil's science education ads by ErnoWindt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's really nutty about ExxonMobil is that on the one hand, they are spending millions on TV, radio and print ads on how the US needs to improve math and science education, but at the same time roughly two-thirds of their political contributions (corporation and employees) are to Republican candidates. To a person, Republicans have conducted an all-out war on free public education, teachers, and teachers unions over the last 30 years. The leading US scientists over the last 100 years did not, in general, attend tony prep schools or come from wealthy families. If ExxonMobil is actually serious about improving math and science education in the US, they'll stop funding Republican candidates and start funding Democrats, as well as making targeted gifts to grammar and high school math and science programs around the country.

  11. Have you stopped driving your car yet? by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We're going to hear lots of lamenting and hating of Exxon, but they're just a business providing what their customers want. And sad to say... all of you that are bitching about them ARE their customers. I've got one question for you: Have you stopped driving you car yet? Stopped using busses? Stopped using electricity? No? The problem isn't Exxon, the problem is we the people. We WILL use all of the fossil fuels. We'll burn them till their gone. Even if the US and Europe banned their use tomorrow, China, Russia, and Africa would gladly take up the slack.

    So the question isn't "How do we find alternatives to fossil fuels" because we aren't going to find anything nearly as cheap and easy in the near future. The question is "how can we deal with whatever problems using them is going to cause?" If they really are going to cause so much damage it ends the world, then we're fucked. Cause it's going to happen. If, instead, it's going to gradually raise the tempureture of the planet over the next 200 year, then we'll likely be able to come up with some technology to help mitigate the effects. If we can't we'd better at least learn to deal with them... because the fact is, it's going to happen... no matter how much you complain on an internet forum using your computer with it's 500 watt power supply that you left on all day while you were at work.

  12. Best part by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And dependence on other nations for oil is not a concern as long as access to supply is certain [...]

    And we will spend trillions of dollars of tax money to keep that access available.

  13. He'd have a point if.... by davydagger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If the same people who believe that creationism is a drop in replacement for science were also the ones objecting to unobstructed consumption, manufacture and/or sale of oil/gas products, and the global warming theory

    However its generally, but not always the more scientificly aware people who come out against fossil fuel usage as a whole, and global warming. There has really yet to be a good scientific study against global warming other than soley industry funded research.(like a bunch of scared CEOs desperately trying to keep stock prices from tanking in a panic)

    <quote>have you stopped driving your car yet</quote>

    This argument is a fallicy, our society is set up around automobile usage, and it'd be difficult if not impossible in most places to continue your life without an automobile. A better argument would be why aren't people buying more efficeint cars. Many are, but I still see a steady parade of people communiting to office buildings in SUVs. The worst part, is since they consume more fuel, they increase demand driving prices up.

  14. Of course not... by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And dependence on other nations for oil is not a concern as long as access to supply is certain, he said.

    Of course not, it's not as if it's your boys who are going to get sent off to get killed, maimed for life, and left with memories that will haunt them forever, you goddamn plutocrat fuck. It's not as if nearly all of our current national security headaches (and nearly all the people killed by terrorism in the world for the last 20 years) can be traced to our meddling in the middle east AT YOUR BEHEST AND ON YOUR BEHALF. Sweet Jesus on a pogo stick, don't you people pay handlers to prevent us from seeing just what massive assholes you are?

    Notice how we never, ever hear this kind of despicable statement from people like Joe Biden, or the English royals, both of of whom have family serving? You will find no record of President Eisenhower blithely insulting the difficult job the men in Korea faced (I wonder why!). Yet there is a word that specifically refers to the kind of twunts who don't serve, then loudly cheer to have others sent to die (especially if they use privilege to avoid serving after being called to): chickenhawks. They are despicable and should be loudly shamed at every opportunity.

  15. Not Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Tillerson cleverly attacks the weakest part of research about climate change: the prospective part, about its consequences.

    In general, the short term projections that were included in the 'concensus' report by the IPCC show that the scientists underestimated the effects of global warming, so far.

    Tillerson is combining PR and salesmanship. He acknowledged the objection, and then he minimized it. After which he went on to taught the strengths of his company and it's position and even called to question the intelligence of it's detractors. It was really quite masterful, in a pathological sense, since, if you view his assertions in light of the fact that climate change, if severe enough, could challenge humanity's ability to produce enough agricultural output to support the current population, require the re-engineering of all of our coastal facilities and population centers worldwide, and require the relocation of millions of refugees who exist at subsistence level to begin with.

    Tillerson, on the other hand, is in the enviable of position of being able to outsource his move, off-shore his assets and afford to have staff make all the arrangements.

  16. Re:What about the 3rd world? by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And when the full effects of AGW come into play, those poor people will be even worse off. Sure, the First World can probably roll with the punches, but for those in the Third World, changes in agricultural belts could spell absolute catastrophe. But hey, short term benefits and fuck the future, huh!

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  17. Re:Do horses produce more greenhouse gasses than c by riverat1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Because there is 227 times as much CO2 in the atmosphere as there is methane? Also CO2 and methane absorb IR in different bands and the band that methane absorbs in radiated at a lower energy level than CO2's. Finally, most atmospheric methane breaks down into CO2 and water within a decade or two so in the long run one methane equals one CO2 anyway.